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    2nd cycle. Test/EQ/proviron

    My last one was two years ago did 500 mg test 1* a week for 14 weeks. No AI but basic pct. Got a bit puffy twords the end but no other sides. Came off great. Gained about 30 lbs after PCT and everything.This time I have EQ/ test combo vials. 200/200 for 400 mg per ml total as well as a couple vials of standalone test E (all dragon pharma) Also stacking proviron. This time I will have aromasin 12.5-25 mg per day depending on what bloods tell me. and 250 iu HCG 2* a week from day 1. as well as blood work at 6/12 weeks and again after PCT (already did pre bloods eveything super on point)

    My original plan was to do 600/600 a week but after doing more research and asking around, current plan is to run the EQ at 3-500 mg a week and the test 5-600mg a week. Not sure I wanna go 1200mg a week for second cycle. I'm thinking 1k max but maybe sticking to 8-900 would be better. (Keep in mind I'll do it 2 shots a week to maintain levels)



    I will run the EQ/ test combo about /15 weeks finishing with another week of just test to accommodate for the EQcester

    The proviron I planned to start at week 6 and run till the end but now I am considering running it at week 8. Was gonna do 50mg a day but have had some people tell me start at 25

    So my questions are this. Anyone got a reccomendation on those doses first off?

    Second when would everyone suggest starting AI. I've had people tell me start the AI aday one till the end. Others say wait until you see symptoms then start. But I've heard EQ has the ability to crash E2 pretty hard. I considered dropping EQ. But am very curious to try it. And if the appetite increase is true I would be happy to just have that.


    Third : front load or naw?


    Thank you for any and all input!!!


    Current stats are

    6'
    Around 17% body fat (if I cut out just my daily sugar intake, literally just that, id drop that dramatically.)
    Training 3 years (since my 1st test only cycle)

    Definitely understand I'm a novice. So just looking for help if I'm misdirected anywhere in that. I feel like it's a pretty good/mild first stack.

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    So I dont like blends to be honest. Also if you are under the 25 I wouldnt be running a cycle and even then its not the best idea to be honest. Having said that:

    A great cycle would be 300mgs/week test and 500-600mg/week EQ. Aside from that I mean id go max 400/400 or 500/500 a week of the blend if thats what you are going to run. A lot of people like to run test at the same level or higher than EQ/Deca/etc but I prefer to go lower on the test dose and let the other compounds shine.

    AI is always from day 1, at 500mg/week test for your first cycle and no AI im glad to hear you didnt get any gyno but did you run any blood work, check your blood pressure, etc? Puffy nipples/gyno is only one sign, there are a lot of unfortunate side effects you can get from letting estro run rampant.

    You should be running your AI through your PCT tapering it off as test, especially the longer esters like test e/c/sus, as they will continue to convert to estrogen even though you stopped pinning as the test builds in your system.

    AI dose is depending on your test dosage. If you runn 500mg/week id run 10-12.5mg aromasin every other day to start. If you go lower on the test you can start in the 7.5mg-10mg range. Really why week 5 bloods are needed to see if you are using the right amount, too much, or too little AI.

    No reason to front load it really just sends your body on a hormonal rollercoaster as you jack up the doses to start then drop so its not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    So I dont like blends to be honest. Also if you are under the 25 I wouldnt be running a cycle and even then its not the best idea to be honest. Having said that:

    A great cycle would be 300mgs/week test and 500-600mg/week EQ. Aside from that I mean id go max 400/400 or 500/500 a week of the blend if thats what you are going to run. A lot of people like to run test at the same level or higher than EQ/Deca/etc but I prefer to go lower on the test dose and let the other compounds shine.

    AI is always from day 1, at 500mg/week test for your first cycle and no AI im glad to hear you didnt get any gyno but did you run any blood work, check your blood pressure, etc? Puffy nipples/gyno is only one sign, there are a lot of unfortunate side effects you can get from letting estro run rampant.

    You should be running your AI through your PCT tapering it off as test, especially the longer esters like test e/c/sus, as they will continue to convert to estrogen even though you stopped pinning as the test builds in your system.

    AI dose is depending on your test dosage. If you runn 500mg/week id run 10-12.5mg aromasin every other day to start. If you go lower on the test you can start in the 7.5mg-10mg range. Really why week 5 bloods are needed to see if you are using the right amount, too much, or too little AI.

    No reason to front load it really just sends your body on a hormonal rollercoaster as you jack up the doses to start then drop so its not worth it.


    I'm 4 months shy of being 30 rn. Ran my first cycle at 27. And no I didn't have any bloods on that. Won't lie I ran it the stupidest way possible. However I had precycle bloods for this one just two weeks ago and everything was on point so if anything did happen my body's balanced.ot by now. I'm thinking I wanna run it equal. 4/4 or 5/5. Since I did 500 yes last time I'd like to stay around that. I really appreciate the info that all helped alot. Could you reccomend dosing for tapering off the AI through PCT? Just so I can make sure I've bought enough


    Also I've read EQcan crash e2.so if that's the case what would i need in order to raise it??

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    So I ran my first cycle at 27. No bloods o AI. Seemed to bounce back fine. Maybe a BIT of puffy nipple but no rock tit

    I am 30 now. I plan to run atleast 4/4 or 5/5
    Can you reccomend taper dose for AI?

    I had one other concern and that's EQ is known to crash e2 so if o get to low on e 2 how would I correct that?

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    I also had pre cycle bloods last week and everything was on point

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kebss View Post
    So I ran my first cycle at 27. No bloods o AI. Seemed to bounce back fine. Maybe a BIT of puffy nipple but no rock tit

    I am 30 now. I plan to run atleast 4/4 or 5/5
    Can you reccomend taper dose for AI?

    I had one other concern and that's EQ is known to crash e2 so if o get to low on e 2 how would I correct that?

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    I also had pre cycle bloods last week and everything was on point
    Sounds good just checking!

    So we have the perfect PCT sticky up top but essentially you would run your cycle for the 15 weeks-16 weeks. AI dose would likely be in the 10-12.5mg every other day range until you get your mid cycle bloods done and make sure its dialed in (adjust as necessary). Assuming its all good you would continue that dose for the 16 weeks. Then after your last pin you would take a 2 week break before PCT running your AI at the same dose.

    Then for PCT you would run the AI at the same dose for the first week so say 12.5mgs. Next week would be around 10mgs. Next 2 weeks would be around 7.5mg and final week or 2 (assuming 5-6 week PCT) would be in the 5mg range. These would all be dosed every other day.

    I havent seen EQ crash E2 I know masterone can as masterone (and its oral version proviron) have some AI properties but if you did run your mid cycle bloods and estro was 0 or near the bottom of the healthy range and you wanted to account for it you would just dial back your AI dose so if you were taking 12.5mgs of aromasin dial it back to 10mg or in that ballpark.

    Dialing back the AI would help raise your estro.

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    Ok thanks so much. I'm assuming only bloods icneed to worry about on cycle are my E2 and lipids (since I'll be on proviron twords the end) I was gonna get bloods at 6 weeks, 12weeks and again after PCT. Sound good?

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    Make sure you donate blood after 6 weeks or so. 250mg EQ per week skyrocketed my red blood cell count. Had I gone the entire cycle without donating it may have reached the danger zone. I donated before I started and after 6 weeks it got high and my blood was visibly darker.

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    make sure you do PRE, MID and POST cycle bloodwork... pre cycle bloodwork is EXTREMELY important... you need a baseline to go off of ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kebss View Post
    My last one was two years ago did 500 mg test 1* a week for 14 weeks. No AI but basic pct. Got a bit puffy twords the end but no other sides. Came off great. Gained about 30 lbs after PCT and everything.This time I have EQ/ test combo vials. 200/200 for 400 mg per ml total as well as a couple vials of standalone test E (all dragon pharma) Also stacking proviron. This time I will have aromasin 12.5-25 mg per day depending on what bloods tell me. and 250 iu HCG 2* a week from day 1. as well as blood work at 6/12 weeks and again after PCT (already did pre bloods eveything super on point)

    My original plan was to do 600/600 a week but after doing more research and asking around, current plan is to run the EQ at 3-500 mg a week and the test 5-600mg a week. Not sure I wanna go 1200mg a week for second cycle. I'm thinking 1k max but maybe sticking to 8-900 would be better. (Keep in mind I'll do it 2 shots a week to maintain levels)



    I will run the EQ/ test combo about /15 weeks finishing with another week of just test to accommodate for the EQcester

    The proviron I planned to start at week 6 and run till the end but now I am considering running it at week 8. Was gonna do 50mg a day but have had some people tell me start at 25

    So my questions are this. Anyone got a reccomendation on those doses first off?

    Second when would everyone suggest starting AI. I've had people tell me start the AI aday one till the end. Others say wait until you see symptoms then start. But I've heard EQ has the ability to crash E2 pretty hard. I considered dropping EQ. But am very curious to try it. And if the appetite increase is true I would be happy to just have that.


    Third : front load or naw?


    Thank you for any and all input!!!


    Current stats are

    6'
    Around 17% body fat (if I cut out just my daily sugar intake, literally just that, id drop that dramatically.)
    Training 3 years (since my 1st test only cycle)

    Definitely understand I'm a novice. So just looking for help if I'm misdirected anywhere in that. I feel like it's a pretty good/mild first stack.
    The lack of an AI is why you got puffy.

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