Less SMH (shaking my head) so much as BMHOTT (banging my head on the table).
I just don't get this I really don't. Let's be real. Few here are pro level. Muskate just got his pro card before xmas and heck even I've been paid to work at fitness expos and haven't paid for PED's (or have paid very little) for some time. But, as well as on these forums I also see posts on a couple of Facebook groups I'm on on the whole Blast and Cruise thing. It DOES differ, if done properly, from 'being on all year round'. I've a buddy, from way back in the day, who is now a world class powerlifter moving in on a 2200lb / 1000-kilo total. He's gone from going on aged 16 (oh yes way too young) to mid twenties and married now. Yet, last year he admitted to being on 5 years straight in a podcast entitle 'secret steroid abuser'.
Others have written of Mr 3CC himself, Bostin Lloyd and even the infamous and now deceased Dan Duchaine experimenting with crazy doses but finally maturing and realizing, as has my buddy, that 5g doses aren't needed any more than 1, 2 or even 5 years straight. Yet we also have the so-called Blast & Cruise culture. I'm aware of Paul Borreson (also dead) talking about so-called SHIC (short high intensity cycles) years ago. From that came the idea of blasting. It's kinda the same thing. But rather than come off, do a PCT etc, getting the old balls working and so on we see what some call a TRT dose (it's NOT FKIN TRT FFS - it's just STAYING ON = BMHOTT) they call the lower dose 'cruising'.
I want (heck I've asked several times in the last few months but have not had a single reply) to see the benefit. Short, middle or long term (esp long term) I'm seeing NOTHING. IF we were pros and our living, no matter what the sport, depended on our bodies (as bodybuilders) or our athletic ability (say kicking a ball etc) then we can argue we need to. But who here can? I'd argue that all too often the user falls into the following:
1) They like how they feel on. In other words how test flowing through their system makes them feel. It is, for some, a feel good hormone separate from narcotics and the like in that it's not supposed to feed our reward centers chemically speaking.
2) They like how they look on.
3) 'Losing their gainz bro'
4) Roids let me get away with stuff.
Now, as any of you who have done actual research and read up as much as you can there's not really an issue with No3. You can keep a LOT of the on-cycle gains if you do all the things your supposed to. In the case of No4 one member today said they can eat less cleanly (a bad habit in itself) cos roids let them. That their 'gainz' in whatever form would or should be better if their diet was on point vs lazy passes such people by.
But I'm more interested in points 1 and 2. These sound like additive behavior traits. They are more mental than physical. You may well have the genetics, as some B&C users do (see photos online of some) to build admirable physiques or levels of strength. But, unless your plain daft, coming off does not mean you revert to a 100lbs newbie from a 200lbs monster. No more than cruising adds anything to the 200lbs you are (or whatever) when you're blasting.
No one has, to date, proved any middle or long term benefit to the overall results you can attain. NO ONE. If, by chance, B&C, produced better bodies and the guys (and gals) that did took more trophies, offered a bigger bicep or a greater bench press etc then we'd all B&C. For me, remember with a combo of sarms and roids I could probably get enough year round to stay on if I wanted to, staying on / B&Ging needs to have something to offer me. If, given what I gained year on year back when I was still gaining and growing I added say 3 additional pounds per year I'd still have to off set those extra gains against the additional risks.
Instead of which this long time training freak sees a combination of the B&C on side and the self administering TRT guys on the other all, so it seems, regretting staying on. From zero or low sperm production, via issues with gyno, cholesterol and prostate to potential liver issues. And with no greater benefits when compared to an arguably more thought out and sensible approach. To quote others when they say it's a marathon not a sprint - try looking long term and not 1-2 years down the road. Cos it's the work of moments to find here and elsewhere examples of users who do regret it, do want to have kids later on when when they started they coudln't care or worse, thought they'd find a fix to what can be an un-fix-able issue when they eventually changed their minds.
I'm reminded of a relatively more sensible level local user who happens to be an IFBB pro (in fact just this past week renewed his card) who, aged 39 or so, finally found the actual love of his life. He, unlike many B&C's 'needed' to use and or stay on to make a living (he was previously paid a salary by a well-known UK based supps company and has even been in the Mr O some years back). Like a lot of those who stayed on he eventually found that her needed help with IVF (aka baby making) with his now wife. This took tears, bucks and several goes to fix. Now, as I say, he might argue a need. Most do not. So some might well need to add another stash of cash for their IVF cos they may well need it.
I just don't get this I really don't. Let's be real. Few here are pro level. Muskate just got his pro card before xmas and heck even I've been paid to work at fitness expos and haven't paid for PED's (or have paid very little) for some time. But, as well as on these forums I also see posts on a couple of Facebook groups I'm on on the whole Blast and Cruise thing. It DOES differ, if done properly, from 'being on all year round'. I've a buddy, from way back in the day, who is now a world class powerlifter moving in on a 2200lb / 1000-kilo total. He's gone from going on aged 16 (oh yes way too young) to mid twenties and married now. Yet, last year he admitted to being on 5 years straight in a podcast entitle 'secret steroid abuser'.
Others have written of Mr 3CC himself, Bostin Lloyd and even the infamous and now deceased Dan Duchaine experimenting with crazy doses but finally maturing and realizing, as has my buddy, that 5g doses aren't needed any more than 1, 2 or even 5 years straight. Yet we also have the so-called Blast & Cruise culture. I'm aware of Paul Borreson (also dead) talking about so-called SHIC (short high intensity cycles) years ago. From that came the idea of blasting. It's kinda the same thing. But rather than come off, do a PCT etc, getting the old balls working and so on we see what some call a TRT dose (it's NOT FKIN TRT FFS - it's just STAYING ON = BMHOTT) they call the lower dose 'cruising'.
I want (heck I've asked several times in the last few months but have not had a single reply) to see the benefit. Short, middle or long term (esp long term) I'm seeing NOTHING. IF we were pros and our living, no matter what the sport, depended on our bodies (as bodybuilders) or our athletic ability (say kicking a ball etc) then we can argue we need to. But who here can? I'd argue that all too often the user falls into the following:
1) They like how they feel on. In other words how test flowing through their system makes them feel. It is, for some, a feel good hormone separate from narcotics and the like in that it's not supposed to feed our reward centers chemically speaking.
2) They like how they look on.
3) 'Losing their gainz bro'
4) Roids let me get away with stuff.
Now, as any of you who have done actual research and read up as much as you can there's not really an issue with No3. You can keep a LOT of the on-cycle gains if you do all the things your supposed to. In the case of No4 one member today said they can eat less cleanly (a bad habit in itself) cos roids let them. That their 'gainz' in whatever form would or should be better if their diet was on point vs lazy passes such people by.
But I'm more interested in points 1 and 2. These sound like additive behavior traits. They are more mental than physical. You may well have the genetics, as some B&C users do (see photos online of some) to build admirable physiques or levels of strength. But, unless your plain daft, coming off does not mean you revert to a 100lbs newbie from a 200lbs monster. No more than cruising adds anything to the 200lbs you are (or whatever) when you're blasting.
No one has, to date, proved any middle or long term benefit to the overall results you can attain. NO ONE. If, by chance, B&C, produced better bodies and the guys (and gals) that did took more trophies, offered a bigger bicep or a greater bench press etc then we'd all B&C. For me, remember with a combo of sarms and roids I could probably get enough year round to stay on if I wanted to, staying on / B&Ging needs to have something to offer me. If, given what I gained year on year back when I was still gaining and growing I added say 3 additional pounds per year I'd still have to off set those extra gains against the additional risks.
Instead of which this long time training freak sees a combination of the B&C on side and the self administering TRT guys on the other all, so it seems, regretting staying on. From zero or low sperm production, via issues with gyno, cholesterol and prostate to potential liver issues. And with no greater benefits when compared to an arguably more thought out and sensible approach. To quote others when they say it's a marathon not a sprint - try looking long term and not 1-2 years down the road. Cos it's the work of moments to find here and elsewhere examples of users who do regret it, do want to have kids later on when when they started they coudln't care or worse, thought they'd find a fix to what can be an un-fix-able issue when they eventually changed their minds.
I'm reminded of a relatively more sensible level local user who happens to be an IFBB pro (in fact just this past week renewed his card) who, aged 39 or so, finally found the actual love of his life. He, unlike many B&C's 'needed' to use and or stay on to make a living (he was previously paid a salary by a well-known UK based supps company and has even been in the Mr O some years back). Like a lot of those who stayed on he eventually found that her needed help with IVF (aka baby making) with his now wife. This took tears, bucks and several goes to fix. Now, as I say, he might argue a need. Most do not. So some might well need to add another stash of cash for their IVF cos they may well need it.