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    DIESELBOLAN... PHERA + METHOXY GONA FAQ

    http://www.needtobuildmuscle.net/sto...bolan-p14.html


    So what is p-plex?
    17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol, Yes its an active steroid.
    Its a wet compound, very androgenic, and very anabolic, make sure you eat plenty of complex carbs, and plenty of protein!!!

    So who can use it

    I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel ive reached a plateau and want to use PheraPlex :
    Ok, you know what I am going to say, and you guys are probably bored already hearing my rant, but hey if you are below 21, please do yourself a favor and do not even consider going towards anything hormonal.

    This is my first ph cycle
    PheraPlex is definitely not a product to toy around with. Unless you are extremely confident about your ability to assess and handle sides, I would strongly advise you to use something else like epi-strong

    I have got my PP, now how do I start it?
    The safest way to use PP is to keep the dosage low and slowly work your way up. Please note that PP is a new compound and as this FAQ is being written, results are pouring in, so go easy, start out low and ramp up to a higher dosage.

    Week 1 – 10mg
    Week 2 – 20mg
    Week 3 - 30mg
    Week 4 – 30mg

    What times of the day do I take PP?
    PP ia best taken when dosages are split throughout the day. The bioavailability is around 8-10 hours, hence one dose after a morning meal and one dose pre-workout would be very advisable.

    Does PP require a PCT?
    Yes, Pheraplex is highly androgenic and very anabolic. Infact it is more anabolic that Superdrol. That can give you a hint about its potency.So yes, PP does require a PCT.

    Give me a sample PP PCT.
    Week 5 Nolvadex 40mg
    Week 6 Nolvadex 40mg
    Week 7 Nolvadex 20mg
    Week 8 Nolvadex 20mg

    Is 6oxo on its own good enough by itself for a PP PCT, most people say it is enough
    No! By no means is 6oxo standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. Also 6oxo is not as effective as Nolvadex. Sure, you can pin me down as Old school but hey, I prefer being safe than sorry. Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an PP cycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.

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    What are the sides of PP, how can I combat these sides?
    Some of the sides users MAY encounter using PP are

    Prostrate Pain: Common symptoms of prostate problems are frequent or difficult urination, dribbling when urinating, erection difficulty, and pain in that general area. Either a rise in estrogen or DHT levels from increased testosterone, etc., probably causes this. If you have ongoing prostate issues, it' s best not to use prohormones.

    Herbal treatments:
    Saw Palmetto Extract - Usual dosage is 320mg , precycled for 2 weeks prior to cycle
    Beta sisterol or plant phytosterols - 300mg several times daily
    Flax seed oil - anywhere from 5-20 tblspoons daily

    Prescription Treatments:
    Proscar/Propecia – Prop is great to keep on hand if hair loss is a side, I will deal with this next.

    Hair Loss:
    This is another famous side that is experienced by people using ph’s. Here are a few products I would strongly recommend.
    Spironolactone 5% ( on cycle)
    spiro and nizoral and azeliac acid.
    I would highly recommend Fina and Propecia in the mix if you have hair shedding problems. If you do have Androgenic alopecia, and a genetic balding pattern, I would highly advise you not to risk this compound.

    Acne: One of the most common sides of using PP and supposedly the most dreaded. Here is why, Androgen production stimulates sebaceous glands and cause them to enlarge.. The androgen-stimulated sebaceous glands produce more sebum. Sebum is a natural oil that makes the skin soft and waterproof. The oily sebum accumulates in the follicle as it moves up the hair shaft where it mixes with normal skin bacteria (Propionibacterium Acnes) and dead follicular skin cells. The dead cells normally get pushed to the surface where they are expelled. The more sebum is produced the greater the chances of clogged follicles that potentially result in pimples.

    How to combat it :
    High doses of Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) are highly effective at reducing oil production in the sebaceous glands (the glands responsible for the skin’s oiliness). It is generally recommended that the you preload with 5-10 grams of Pantothenic Acid per day for one week, followed by a maintenance intake of 2-3 grams per day until cessation of the cycle. In addition, cleansing the skin with salicylic acid and/or benzoyl peroxide (found in many over the counter acne treatments) is quite helpful for acne prevention.

    *Testicular atrophy a.k.a my balls are shrinking :
    Yes, this is a common side effect of using any prohormone. However this is nothing to worry about. Under normal circumstances, you will get back to your normal size after the PCT. I am not a great fan of ATD, hence my thoughts lean to the safer old school clomid therapy.
    Incase of extreme cases the following can be tried.
    Day 1 Clomid @ 300mg
    Week 5 Clomid @ 100mg
    Week 5/6 Clomid @ 50mg

    To the best of my knowledge this has cured most cases of testicular atrophy.

    *Puffy nipples, soreness aka gyno
    Most people are paranoid about gyno. Any number of AI products including Ultrahotter are available in the market today. So are prescription drugs such as Cytadren and Arimidex. Too much Cytadren or especially Adex will prevent gyno and probably a little water bloat, but it will also cut into your muscle gains by virtue of a less robust GH burst activity and lower subsequent IGF-1 levels.Some androgens increase muscle satellite cells sensitivity to fibroblast growth factor and IGF-1. IGF-1 is critical to get maximum anabolic activity from androgens. This means that androgens that increase GH production (i.e. those that aromatize to some degree) will most likely give you the greatest and most rapid gains in muscle mass.
    To make a long story short AI’s can be kept at hand but need not be used on cycle unless you are prone to gyno or start to have signs of an out break. One can analyse this only by being experienced with Ph’s. Again, PP is not for the novice user, like I have already mentioned.
    Most feedbacks about PP have not reported shut downs. However, each person is different. If you want to have sex while using PP and are “ not able to get it up” then I would suggest you use Tadafil Citrate aka Cialis. I personally feel Cialis is more effective than Viagra.

    *Nose Bleeds and Elevated Blood pressure.
    PP being androgenic may increase blood pressure via a number of pathways. Though this condition may be more severe for some than it will be for others, those concerned may find Hawthorn Berry Extract of aid—300mgs-500mgs should do the trick. However, Hawthorne Berry does take 2 full weeks to kick in. Hence preloading is highly recommended. If one encounters a situation where in an immediate remedy is called for, then Celery Seed Extract at a high dosage can be used.
    CoQ10 is also a very important support supplement to this cycle. CoQ10 is a fat-soluble nutrient found throughout the body, and is a vital player in the production of ATP. Exogenous CoQ10 may help to stabilize blood pressure due to its positive effects on the heart’s pumping ability, to name but one of its benefits. Typically, 30mgs 2-3 times per day are required to elicit a response.

    How harsh is PP on my liver, do I have to be bothered about hepta-toxicity issues?
    PP takes the oral route within the body. The body’s natural filter is the liver. PP is toxic, this means that your liver will take a beating while you use PP. It is always better to preload that is to run a liver protector before jumping on the cycle.
    Milk thistle @ 1000mg before the PP starts. Milk Thistle is well known to support healthy liver function, and can be taken in 150-175mg doses 5 times per day.
    While Milkthistle is a great liver protector to preload and for the PCT, NAC and ALA are good to use ON cycles.
    NAC converts to a detoxification agent called Glutathione, which is effective in breaking down harmful compounds and detoxifying heavy metals, reducing potential liver strain. NAC is generally taken in 500mg-600mg doses 1-2 times per day. ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) is an anti-oxidant that may also be of aid, and should be taken in dosages of 200mgs 2-3 times per day.
    I would highly recommend “The Perfect Cycle” from AX which contains both NAC and ALA and is at an optimum dosage.


    If budget permits you can also look into Sesathin or Liv 52.

    Does running milk thistle along side PP inhibit gains.
    No, silymarin does not inhibit any gains and does not have any chemical significance. It is purely for the liver. Its effect however is best in the preload and pct., on cycle would be perfect cycle.

    I have used PP before, I want to use it with other methylated products. Is this safe?
    PP is toxic by itself alone being methylated. Being a new compound, it is more advisable to stack it with an unmethylated alternative.

    I took PP, its 2 weeks up, I still don’t see any change. Why?
    PP is highly androgenic, chemically it is more powerful than Emax and SD . Please make sure that your calorics are adjusted to your body weight and height. I do not need to comment on your nutrition, but make sure that you take in 1.7-2g of Protein /lb of body weight.Roughly around week 2.5 through 4 you should start gains of 1lb/day.
    Make sure your carbs and EFA’s are at a maximum
    You need to drink @ least 2 gallons of water while on PP.

    My cycle is over, I have to keep my gains, how do I do it.
    If you want to keep your gains, make sure you take nolvadex. Please note that there is more to Nolvadex than just restarting the test in your body. For more information on SERMS, please read my PCT threads.
    At this point, I would highly recommend a White Blood/ Green Bulge Stack to keep those hard earned gains from the cycle in your PCT. Other great alternatives one can look into are Cre-ethyl Thunder/NitroEvolution and Man Clout.


    I had a very satisfying cycle, my pct made me recover fine, I want to get back into another cycle.
    Well,this is something I've seen in many people, the temptation to use prohormones over a shot span of time. Sure it does give good results, but you've gotta understand that you have a life apart from bbing. Your bodyt is not a roller coaster to boost levels up and down. These substances are toxic if used without care. I recommend no more than 3 hormonal cycles over a period of year.

    I do not know where to get the necessary supplements/ chems for my PCT.
    Please do not ask on the forums for sources. A number of threads have been created in this board, all you need to do is to search effectively.

    I want to know wether I have fully recovered, what should I do?
    If you have the money or if your medical insurace covers it, do a blood work 20-30 days after you stop your pct. Make sure you check your liver and test levels. If it is all back to normal and you have had significant gains, you have had one hell of a cycle!

    Last but not the least, find time to sleep. The body repairs and test is boosted during sleep. When on PP make sure YOU SLEEP FOR 8 HOURS.

    I am not a doctor and neither do my opinions construe medical advice. These are just my views after using and researching about this product and answering a number of queries from users who were as confused as me when I first started it.

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    Now for the next compound...


    13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one

    This is one of the two potent Pro-Hormones in DIESELBOLAN. 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one is a progestin, as such it will not aromatize. It also will not convert to DHT. The chemical structure is shown to increase overall muscle composition, strength and libido. Because it reduces 5-alpha you'll notice incredible hardening effects to compliment your size gains
    It is legal because it is a progestin, and before anyone thinks "birth-control", remember that trenbolone, nandrolone, methyltrienolone and Methyl-Dien all are also progestins. I doubt anyone will disagree with the effects of these compounds upon favorable body composition. But they do all have one bad effect to put an end to... (I should add for comparison that Clomid and Nolvadex are estrogens...and how many males have rid themselves of feminizing effects plus increased natural testosterone production with them?)
    As a progestin, 13-methoxy gona is structurally related to the so-called abortion pill RU-486 and as such acts as an "anti-progesterone". Yes, this means decreased estrogen-like effects and also an increase in libido. This is probably why so many testers have referred to Methoxy-gona as the anti-Deca-****/Tren-**** product. Research suggests that Methoxy-gona has a half-life of about 6 hours, though it appears that it's closer to 10 hours based upon plasma levels maintained in our test subjects. It is not a 17-alkylated analog thus having very low potential for liver toxicity. However, it should be noted that oral bioavailability is significant as a administration protocol of 25mg 3 times daily provides about the same results as 10mg 2 times daily of Methoxy gona in regard to body composition effects, strength and lean mass.

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    Hey Russianstar we outta sticky these to the top so there easy to find. It might cut down on the simple questions which you have already wrote out for everyone here.

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    very nice post man... was wondering what the 2nd ingredient in diesel was

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    Thanks guys, glad it helps, sorry sky, you were just to fast lol.

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    Haha I saw it right as it was posted and went to thank you haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russianstar View Post
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    So what is p-plex?
    17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol, Yes its an active steroid.
    Its a wet compound, very androgenic, and very anabolic, make sure you eat plenty of complex carbs, and plenty of protein!!!

    So who can use it

    I am 18, I have had 4 years plus lifting experience, I feel ive reached a plateau and want to use PheraPlex :
    Ok, you know what I am going to say, and you guys are probably bored already hearing my rant, but hey if you are below 21, please do yourself a favor and do not even consider going towards anything hormonal.

    This is my first ph cycle
    PheraPlex is definitely not a product to toy around with. Unless you are extremely confident about your ability to assess and handle sides, I would strongly advise you to use something else like epi-strong

    I have got my PP, now how do I start it?
    The safest way to use PP is to keep the dosage low and slowly work your way up. Please note that PP is a new compound and as this FAQ is being written, results are pouring in, so go easy, start out low and ramp up to a higher dosage.

    Week 1 – 10mg
    Week 2 – 20mg
    Week 3 - 30mg
    Week 4 – 30mg

    What times of the day do I take PP?
    PP ia best taken when dosages are split throughout the day. The bioavailability is around 8-10 hours, hence one dose after a morning meal and one dose pre-workout would be very advisable.

    Does PP require a PCT?
    Yes, Pheraplex is highly androgenic and very anabolic. Infact it is more anabolic that Superdrol. That can give you a hint about its potency.So yes, PP does require a PCT.

    Give me a sample PP PCT.
    Week 5 Nolvadex 40mg
    Week 6 Nolvadex 40mg
    Week 7 Nolvadex 20mg
    Week 8 Nolvadex 20mg

    Is 6oxo on its own good enough by itself for a PP PCT, most people say it is enough
    No! By no means is 6oxo standalone strong enough to restart the test production in your body. Also 6oxo is not as effective as Nolvadex. Sure, you can pin me down as Old school but hey, I prefer being safe than sorry. Nolvadex is therefore ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY for an PP cycle. Please note its Nolvadex not novedex or nolvedex. Please look for Tamoxifen Citrate.
    I know my forged post cycle is enough for pct. Adding in sustain alpha to the pct is more then enough. The products combined work..

    I also have hcgenerate coming out soon. I know you will love this product star

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    Quote Originally Posted by Needtogetaas View Post
    I know my forged post cycle is enough for pct. Adding in sustain alpha to the pct is more then enough. The products combined work..

    I also have hcgenerate coming out soon. I know you will love this product star
    HCGenerate is that another pct product needto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Needtogetaas View Post
    I know my forged post cycle is enough for pct. Adding in sustain alpha to the pct is more then enough. The products combined work..

    I also have hcgenerate coming out soon. I know you will love this product star
    This is what I did. It worked great. I bounded back nicely. I can't say what would have happened without the sustain in there as I've never tried. But since this worked...I won't try either!

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