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Fall Lean Bulk Cycle - Critique

soldhisoul

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Hello Evo brothers.

I'm thinking of doing a 14-16 week lean bulk cycle in October and I'm trying to get your expert opinion before I order all my gear. Before I dive into what I plan on running and the goal let me give you my stats:

Age: 25
Height: 5'11
Weight: 174lbs
Body fat: 7%
Training experience: 10 years of consistent training
AAS Experience: Two cycles (Test E, Oxandrolone, Proviron)

I'm interested in running a lengthy 14-16 week cycle of Primobolan with a 5-6 week Anavar kickstart. My goal is lean bulk. I'm looking to add about 10lbs of muscle I will be able to maintain after the cycle is over. Given the nature of Primobolan this is very possible as long as my training and diet are on point (which they are). I'm going to be following a 5-day split (Monday thru Friday) and my diet will be a modified ketogenic diet with a carb loading day once per week to replenish glycogen and reap the benefits of insulin manipulation. I will also be in a slight caloric deficit most of the time.

My proposed cycle layout:
Weeks 1-5/6 - Anavar (Oxandrolone) 600mg ed
Weeks 1-16: Proviron (Mesterolone) 50mg ed
Weeks 1-14/16: Primobolan 400mg eod
Weeks 1-16: Test C 250mg twice per week
Weeks 1-16: Aromasin 12.5mg ed

PCT will start 18 days after last pin of primo/test and will consist of Clomid and Nolvadex.

Now onto the questions/concerns
1. My main concern is the test. I know var and primo will shut me down a few weeks into the cycle but how important is it going to be to throw in the test? I'm mainly concerned with sexual performance (gotta keep the girlfriend happy). I react VERY badly to long estered testosterone, meaning I break out like a motherfucker all over my body in nasty cystic/nodular acne that only Accutane can kill. And trust me I tried everything out there from showering 3x/day and using otc products, tanning to antibiotics and prescription creams. So is a TRT dose of test really necessary?

2. Should I bump up the primo or keep it at 400mgs? I have no experience with it but based on some research I've done, 400mgs should be enough. What do u guys think?

3. Will I get away with 5 weeks of var and 14 weeks of primo or should I run var for an additional week and primo for 16 weeks?

4. And lastly, would Masteron be a better option as opposed to proviron? Meaning should I throw in Masteron at the last 4-5 weeks or take proviron throughout the length of the cycle.

Thank you guys. I know it's a long post but I'm just trying to get a second opinion before I get all the gear as primo and var are the most expensive compounds out there.

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Woops just noticed the typo. Anavar at 60mg ed not 600. I don't want to die 😂

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Your cycle looks really good. I wouldn't change anything there. All your dosages look good.

I would add a liver aid to your cycle when using the anavar as it is a liver toxic oral steroid. I like n2guard from n2bm.com.

Proviron is a better option then masteron if you are worried about sexual performance. Proviron is the only steroid therapeutically prescribed as a fertility aid in elderly men.

I would run a much better PCT if I was you. That is a very aggressive cycle. You are going to be very shut down after it. I would run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

Last tip - keep the testosterone as it is for now. If you start to break out bad from the cycle, reduce your test dosage to 200mg/week.
 
Thank u for a knowledgeable response. You always come through man. Last question.
If for whatever reason I am unable to get my hands on primobolan would EQ be a good substitute based on what I'm trying to get out of the cycle?
Thanks again

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Thank u for a knowledgeable response. You always come through man. Last question.
If for whatever reason I am unable to get my hands on primobolan would EQ be a good substitute based on what I'm trying to get out of the cycle?
Thanks again

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EQ would work as well, and you can pin it together with test c
 
I have had clients that absolutely cannot handle test in their cycles for that reason but also cause they are that sensitive to gyno, even with an AI

so for you do not be scared to eliminate it from your cycle totally, don't listen to the bro science that you have to always use test as a base, just not true.. also another option here is swap in LGD or RAD instead, they are both designed for TRT so it would be like getting a TRT dose of test WITHOUT the androgenic or estrogenic side effects that seem to bother you

I notice you seem to not react well to androgenic compounds but react incredibly well to anabolic compounds.. I am actually the exact opposite. I react incredibly well to androgenic compounds.. I build muscle and strength rapidly on just a tiny bit of tren and test.. I bet you it has a lot to do with your insulin sensitivity being so strong combined with your body structure in general.
 
I have had clients that absolutely cannot handle test in their cycles for that reason but also cause they are that sensitive to gyno, even with an AI

so for you do not be scared to eliminate it from your cycle totally, don't listen to the bro science that you have to always use test as a base, just not true.. also another option here is swap in LGD or RAD instead, they are both designed for TRT so it would be like getting a TRT dose of test WITHOUT the androgenic or estrogenic side effects that seem to bother you

I notice you seem to not react well to androgenic compounds but react incredibly well to anabolic compounds.. I am actually the exact opposite. I react incredibly well to androgenic compounds.. I build muscle and strength rapidly on just a tiny bit of tren and test.. I bet you it has a lot to do with your insulin sensitivity being so strong combined with your body structure in general.

That's actually really spot on man. Also I haven't thought about the LGD or RAD. That's extremely helpful! How would I dose that during my cycle? Thank you again. Lots of helpful responses
 
Thank u for a knowledgeable response. You always come through man. Last question.
If for whatever reason I am unable to get my hands on primobolan would EQ be a good substitute based on what I'm trying to get out of the cycle?
Thanks again

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They are very similar. You could interchange them, yes. Same dosages.
 
I really like your thinking and planned cycle. Good catch on the 600mg var!...I knew you didn't mean that. You can certainly swap out for EQ if you wanted. You are already a beast judging by your picture so I have no doubt your diet is locked in. Only thing I can suggest is to get a bottle of Cialis and keep it on hand just in case issues arise. I don't think you will have any but if you need it, it will only take 30 minutes max to start working. 1 hour before "show time" is the ideal time to take it though.
 
I really like your thinking and planned cycle. Good catch on the 600mg var!...I knew you didn't mean that. You can certainly swap out for EQ if you wanted. You are already a beast judging by your picture so I have no doubt your diet is locked in. Only thing I can suggest is to get a bottle of Cialis and keep it on hand just in case issues arise. I don't think you will have any but if you need it, it will only take 30 minutes max to start working. 1 hour before "show time" is the ideal time to take it though.
Thank you brother! Although that's not me in the avatar but Lazar Angelov which is my goal physique. I should probably update that.
And yes I do have cialis already. I take it a few times per month before show time or sometimes before I hit the gym because the pumps from that stuff are intense!
There was a mention of running LGD or RAD in place of test. I did a bit of reading on both compounds and they look very promising. I'm a bit concerned about running RAD due to less research about the compound. Have any of you tried it yet? If so how was your experience with it? Would it be a suitable replacement for test?
Thank you again.

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I have used LGD but not RAD. Personally I would not recommend replacing TRT with it as it hasn't been tested enough yet. As for a cycle, I would definitely run it. Sounds like you are in a good place for your cycle!
 
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