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    First cycle help! With pct

    Hi this is my family firat post and i am 23 yo 511 165 pounds and i am a boxer. I fight at 154 and i am running my first cycle to help with strength, endurance and recovery, the doses i came up with will be alot lower than you are used to seeing because 1) i am not trying to gain any weight (no more that 8 pounds) and 2) this is my first cycle.
    I am thinking of keeping it basic and running:
    Testosterone E or C at 250mg a week
    Equipoise for 300mg a week
    Hcg at 300iu a week?
    Arimidex ( need dosage help)
    I have heard mixed results about the equipoise but it is said to help increase RBC thus improved endurance. I was going to do orals like anavar or winny but heard bad things about pumps and loss of flexibility. (Because the muscles harden)
    How does this cycle look? Do you have any suggestions? In terms of something that improves strength but little to no size! Or negatice affects on endurance
    I also need help with pct! I am completely lost in that area! Should i continue running Arimidex? Or replace it with clomid and Nolvadex? Thank you for your time reading this and to clarify i do not get tested and most the guys i will be fighting are also juicing. I also train the hardes i can at six times a week and 11 session a week total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samof300 View Post
    i am not trying to gain any weight (no more that 8 pounds)
    Do you see my confusion, Sam?

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    Just run a simple 400mg test e, diet dictates weight gain. 2 compounds first cycle is overkill.. U don't wanna gain weight, but the say no more than 8 pounds which is 3.6kg..

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    Yea

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Do you see my confusion, Sam?
    Yea i meant to say a few pounds of weight is not a big deal as long as i see good strength gains and endurance.

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    Why do you think it would be an over kill? So for example if you are saying 400 mg test then what Would be the difference if i split it into 200 mg test 200 mg eq.. i have heard quite a few good things about eq in terms of endurance

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    Quote Originally Posted by samof300 View Post
    Yea i meant to say a few pounds of weight is not a big deal as long as i see good strength gains and endurance.

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    Why do you think it would be an over kill? So for example if you are saying 400 mg test then what Would be the difference if i split it into 200 mg test 200 mg eq.. i have heard quite a few good things about eq in terms of endurance
    It doesn't work like that dude, eq shines at 600mg +.. 200mg is a waste if time.. An eq needs running 16+ weeks

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    For your goals - I wouldn't use steroids at all man.

    The only steroid that would really benefit a boxer would be EQ because it increases red blood cell count and doesnt cause a whole lot of water retention. The problem with steroids like testosterone is that they cause water retention and make you slower.

    I would forgo steroids altogether and use SARMS instead. Even steroids like EQ will probably hurt your performance, not improve it.

    Steroids like EQ also open up a whole bag of worms of other issues because they are suppressive of natural testosterone production. After using EQ, you would need to run a full PCT which gets very expensive.

    SARMS are going to be your best option as an athlete. Steroids will increase strength, but they will also cause a lot of water retention and negatively impact endurance. Your sports performance will actually probably be worse on the steroids then before you started the cycle. You might actually be slower when using the steroids because of the amount of body weight and water retention you gain on the cycle.

    SARMS on the other hand will directly increase endurance, fat loss and recovery. They aren't as strong as steroids in terms of strength and muscle gains but you get all the good, with none of the side effects. They don't cause water retention, are only minimally suppressive of natural testosterone production and aren't liver toxic. You will still increase strength on SARMS, just not to the same extent that you would on steroids.

    The SARMS triple stack (S4 + ostarine + cardarine) would be a great first cycle to run: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARM...stack-protocol

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    If the aim is strength then use a strength cycle. One I used back in the day only put 5lbs on me which, for you, is perfect.

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    hello guys I am 21years old,been training for 2 years and would like to run my second steroid cycle of Anadrol 50 at 1 tab for 5-6 weeks.my goal is to bulk and maintain gains if possible. ..from those who have experience with anadrol is it possible to keep at least 20lbs after your cycle?

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    for a boxer you can use some EQ and SARM's

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    Quote Originally Posted by m.cflex_official View Post
    hello guys I am 21years old,been training for 2 years and would like to run my second steroid cycle of Anadrol 50 at 1 tab for 5-6 weeks.my goal is to bulk and maintain gains if possible. ..from those who have experience with anadrol is it possible to keep at least 20lbs after your cycle?
    I've used anadrol tonnes if times and consider it a favourite. Drol by itself is a stupid cycle, u NEED test with it to hold gains, its pure water retention.. And second cycle at 21? Starting early dude.. If ur hell bent on running gear use test e for 12 weeks.. Gains are superior.. But 20 pounds after everything is a stretch bro... U definitely won't hold half that with anadrol , and I know, I've ran it all the say up to 150mg

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