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Thread: First Cycle; Test C and Winnie

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    First Cycle; Test C and Winnie

    Hey guys first post and first cycle! Love/need your advice. Just got my test C, Winnie tabs, and Nolvedex. My stats; 27yo, 6’1”, 180 lbs, gain muscle pretty solid but need to get muscle quick... I do modeling as a side hustle and need to get on that “Brad Pitt Fight Club” life before August. Want to do it right tho, here’s what I am thinking and would love input.

    -Test C: 350mg a week; weeks 1-12
    -Winnie: 50mg a day; weeks 7-12
    -Nolvedex: 40 mg a day for 2 weeks, 20 mg last week; weeks 15-18
    -Fish Oil: week’s 1-18
    -Liver Cleaner of some sort (dunno when or how much, haven’t researched it yet)

    And then like basic questions if y’all know...
    1) what else should I add (someone mentioned clomid, but doesn’t seem like it’s necessary) Is this a decent cycle? Trying to go on the lighter end, PE-wise
    2) I take vyvanse (similar to adderall) daily, I take 3-5 grams of kratom daily, I vape/caffeine daily... any of these combos dangerous? Def know it’s not the best, but basically am slightly addicted all of them lol so will only stop if it’s like life or death (will be rarely drinking during this time, maybe once every two weeks if that)
    3) tore my ACL back in the day, and when I’m hungover/dehydrated my ACL feels so tight... I know Winnie dries you out, will this be an issue?
    4) can I regularly take supplements while on-cycle, such as vitamins, protein, and creatine ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bababouie View Post
    Hey guys first post and first cycle! Love/need your advice. Just got my test C, Winnie tabs, and Nolvedex. My stats; 27yo, 6’1”, 180 lbs, gain muscle pretty solid but need to get muscle quick... I do modeling as a side hustle and need to get on that “Brad Pitt Fight Club” life before August. Want to do it right tho, here’s what I am thinking and would love input.

    -Test C: 350mg a week; weeks 1-12
    -Winnie: 50mg a day; weeks 7-12
    -Nolvedex: 40 mg a day for 2 weeks, 20 mg last week; weeks 15-18
    -Fish Oil: week’s 1-18
    -Liver Cleaner of some sort (dunno when or how much, haven’t researched it yet)

    And then like basic questions if y’all know...
    1) what else should I add (someone mentioned clomid, but doesn’t seem like it’s necessary) Is this a decent cycle? Trying to go on the lighter end, PE-wise
    2) I take vyvanse (similar to adderall) daily, I take 3-5 grams of kratom daily, I vape/caffeine daily... any of these combos dangerous? Def know it’s not the best, but basically am slightly addicted all of them lol so will only stop if it’s like life or death (will be rarely drinking during this time, maybe once every two weeks if that)
    3) tore my ACL back in the day, and when I’m hungover/dehydrated my ACL feels so tight... I know Winnie dries you out, will this be an issue?
    4) can I regularly take supplements while on-cycle, such as vitamins, protein, and creatine ?
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    at 27 you are already needing to take these types of mental drugs.. i'm with mobster on this.. where do you think you will be in your 40's and 50's? you are on pace to be a crackhead on the side of the road asking people for change for drugs.

    let's get your mental health straight before adding steroids to the mix. no human being needs to vape, drink caffeine, use adderall daily and use kratom daily. is it dangerous? YES it is. you are going to end up on heroine next because the mix you are taking won't work for shit anymore. the longer you keep this up the more you will become addicted

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    So you do know you need aromasin or another AI on cycle correct?

    Also you PCT is poor with just 4 weeks of nolva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    So you do know you need aromasin or another AI on cycle correct?

    Also you PCT is poor with just 4 weeks of nolva.
    This is not the case , it should state keep on hand . The Ai for included for every cycle has got to stop being a staple . Times are changing and estrogen isn’t the enemy like everyone guarantees it to be . Ai’s are not good for the body . Take the right amount of test and no Ai may be needed at all .

    I won’t get into the pct is poor comment , y’all are being brainwashed by that perfect pct bullshit , all they are trying to do is sell product after product . Nolva would work just fine for this cycle . 40/40/20/20 or 40/20/20/20/20 I prefer .

    Everyone needs to research more , not just on this site or another but search , read , acknowledge .

    Finally yea , get your addicted ass off all the fucked up meds . I couldn’t agree more with Steve on this one . The world is getting sooo weak minded .

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    Quote Originally Posted by straightnasty View Post
    This is not the case , it should state keep on hand . The Ai for included for every cycle has got to stop being a staple . Times are changing and estrogen isn’t the enemy like everyone guarantees it to be . Ai’s are not good for the body . Take the right amount of test and no Ai may be needed at all .

    I won’t get into the pct is poor comment , y’all are being brainwashed by that perfect pct bullshit , all they are trying to do is sell product after product . Nolva would work just fine for this cycle . 40/40/20/20 or 40/20/20/20/20 I prefer .

    Everyone needs to research more , not just on this site or another but search , read , acknowledge .

    Finally yea , get your addicted ass off all the fucked up meds . I couldn’t agree more with Steve on this one . The world is getting sooo weak minded .
    You are right taking an aromatizing compound at 350mg a week which will put you far above the normal healthy range of test levels its better to not take an AI (and cheaper) to just get gyno surgery.

    Reason why i say AI is mandatory is because 99% of the people out there never run bloods so they have no clue where their estrogen levels are. Id rather someone take a reasonable dose of an AI (or at least have it on hand) than take nothing and end up with a slew of side effects that come from high estrogen.

    To each their own though. I agree more is not always better but I typically see people run high doses of either clomid or nolva and the 2 compounds work well in tandem. You can get by with just clomid or just nolva and no test booster or anything else but the point, for me at least, is a soft landing.

    Ive done a clomid only PCT and it suuuuuuuuucked. I felt miserable. This was 5 weeks at 50/50/25/25/12.5. Did it work? Sure. Was I struggling? Yup.

    Again I get it man, everyone has their own opinion so not bashing or attacking just giving my opinion.

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    I agree with AWM about the pct and I also prefer running both nolva and clomid, instead of just megadosing the other.
    Nasty is kinda right about the AI thing. On a milder cycle like test only there is no compelling need to use an AI but on a harsher cycles I think it is a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fella Finn View Post
    I agree with AWM about the pct and I also prefer running both nolva and clomid, instead of just megadosing the other.
    Nasty is kinda right about the AI thing. On a milder cycle like test only there is no compelling need to use an AI but on a harsher cycles I think it is a good idea.
    Yea from my experience running 375mg/week test and taking 10mg aromasin every other day my estrogen was still slightly high at 49 on a scale of 0-40.

    I get it some people are not as susceptible so whats the protocol then for test only cycles? No AI? We all know people dont give a fuck about blood work so......

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    i never would recommend an oral with a first cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fella Finn View Post
    I agree with AWM about the pct and I also prefer running both nolva and clomid, instead of just megadosing the other.
    Nasty is kinda right about the AI thing. On a milder cycle like test only there is no compelling need to use an AI but on a harsher cycles I think it is a good idea.
    I agree as well Finn, over the 600-700 mgs etc . I’ve been pretty lucky with Nolva I guess . But I don’t run 3-4 multiple compounds so that’s prob why . Usually just reasonable dose test and another .

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