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    First TEST only cycle - Thoughts/Advice?

    Hey bro's

    So i'm looking at starting my first cycle in the beginning of the new year, i've been researching for around 6 weeks and i've come up with this regime below. I'd like to know your guys thoughts and if you have any advice for adding something, removing something or changing the plan. I have research cardarine to be included in the PCT but am not keen on chucking it in there.. I'm still undecided if i should run TEST E or TEST P, I am leaning towards TEST P as it is my understanding that being a shorter ester i will have less side effects such as acne and bloating, i'm prone to acne so if one is going to give me an edge over that i don't care about the pip pain


    A bit of history; I've been competing as an professional athlete in an extreme sport for a little over 14 years so i've been training athletically for pretty much my entire life and started lifting weights pretty consistently 6 years ago. I've always needed to stay nimble and quick so i've never really trained to put on massive size and crazy strength but as sports slowly becomes less of my life i've slowly gained some size and am thinking it's time to jack up a little bit. I have done one cycle of Oxandrolone that was prescribed to me after i had surgery to reattach a number tendons that where severed in my wrist (lucky i know), although this was taken during my time of rehabilitation my recovery and strength gains where insane and it's my understanding that finding legit oxandrolone is like finding a needle in a hay-stack otherwise id be opting for a oxandrolone cycle again as i reacted so positively to it.

    Anyways here are my stats and cycle

    STATS
    Age: 27
    Weight: 83kg
    BF%: 11%
    Height: 180cm
    Lifts: Squat 160kgx10/Deadlift 160kgx10/Bench 80kgx10 (I've never tried for a 1RM)
    Training: Mon: Legs/abs Tues: Chest/Tris Wed: Cardio+HIIT Thurs: Back/Biceps Fri: Cardio+HIIT Sat: Shoulders/abs: Sun: Yoga/Rest day
    Diet: Good 3500-4000 cal per day, i currently work FIFO and have loads of healthy options all cooked for me. Typical day - Breakfast: 8 eggs/bacon and some sort of carbs - 2 hours post breakfast big serving of natural yoghurt/honey/natural muesli - Morning tea: 500g Tuna with mayonnaise and a large serving of spinach, two handfuls of nuts - Lunch: around 400grams chicken + 6 eggs - Afternoon tea pre workout: lots of fruits, watermelon apples banana etc - Pre workout: Amino complex BCAA's EAA's - Dinner/post workout: Amino complex BCAA's EAA's, 500G steak, loads of sweet potato/potato and loads of veggies. I will be adding a Mass gainer Protein/Carb shake to this post dinner once starting the cycle which will get me to around 4200-4500 cal per day

    Cycle
    I will be getting my blood done before the cycle and then once a month during cycle up until finishing PCT as i work a 3 weeks on 1 week off roster.

    1.Test P


    Weeks 1-5
    Test p 150mg EOD
    Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED

    Weeks 5-8
    Test p 150mg EOD
    Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED
    HCG 250iu 2xpw

    4 weeks PCT Starting day after last Prop Inj
    Climid 50/50/25/25 (1050mg)
    Nolva 40/40/20/20 (840mg)
    HCG 500iu bi weekly
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED (continuing 3 months)



    2. Test E

    Weeks 1-7
    Test E 250mg Monday Night - Thursday Night
    Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED

    Weeks 7-10
    Test E 250mg Monday Night - Thursday Night
    Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED
    HCG 250iu 2xpw

    4 weeks PCT Starting 4 days after last Test E Inj
    Climid 50/50/25/25 (1050mg)
    Nolva 40/40/20/20 (840mg)
    HCG 500iu bi weekly
    GHRP6/MOD-GRF Am: 80mg Pm: 120mg ED (continuing 3 months)


    Anyways thanks for taking the time to review this and any constructive criticism is mostly welcome.


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    So... you've been a professional athlete since you was 13?

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    no hcg in pct

    swap in n2generate instead.

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    you NEVER use hcg in pct... so, when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen... so, i just want you to FULLY understand so you dont think its just someone talking and blowing smoke... this is fact... its easy to understand when you see it written down…


    when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.


    



clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

    nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
    
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
    DGA ORGAN ST https://www.amazon.com/DGA-Nutraceut...62B5KBG

    mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS) 

    gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com





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    Quote Originally Posted by dylangemelli View Post
    you NEVER use hcg in pct... so, when you use testosterone, you are clearly adding large amounts of it into your body which causes you to eventually be suppressed when you stop using it because your body forgets how to produce it on its own... hence, the need for pct... so, what hcg does is MIMIC your lh and fsh, just like taking testosterone, mimics testosterone production which eventually leads to suppression, correct... so when you mimic lh and fsh, what happens when you stop using it?? im sure you can put two and two together... the reason you use hcg is to get your lh and fsh STIMULATED before pct, so they are not completely bottomed out because when you use test, they are non existent... just like when you run an oral without test... when you go into pct, your test is bottomed out.... when you go into pct using test, AT LEAST its much higher making recovery easier as you reteach your body to produce on its own... so if you use hcg BEFORE pct, then it gives that boost while your body learns how to produce on its own... HOWEVER, if you run hcg IN PCT or after, you end up suppressing yourself because you are just mimicking, not helping to jumpstart anything like nolva and clomid do for your natural testosterone production... NOT TO MENTION, hcg ALSO increases estrogen... so, i just want you to FULLY understand so you dont think its just someone talking and blowing smoke... this is fact... its easy to understand when you see it written down…


    when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.


    



clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

    nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
    
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
    DGA ORGAN ST https://www.amazon.com/DGA-Nutraceut...62B5KBG

    mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS) 

    gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com
    Ahhh sweet, thanks tons for taking the time to not only note that but explain it in detail, its helped me understand a shit ton. With the Gw, like i said after all the search ive done on it im not extremely keen on adding it, is it absolutely necessary? or will the MK alone be sufficient?

    So an extra two weeks on the Nolva and Clomid? are those levels really two high? i thought they where pretty standard dosage's.. is there any hard from running them higher?
    With the MK would it be necessary to include the n2generate still? are you suggesting to run the aromasin into the PCT or just suggesting to adjust the amount as necessary?

    Sorry for the all the noob questions ha, i have done my research but there seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there. I appreciate the help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobster View Post
    So... you've been a professional athlete since you was 13?

    Sorry i should have phrased it better, Competing at a professional level for 14 years (in the professional men's division) i didn't start getting paid till i was 17....

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    I like your diet.always wanted to try similar but my gut just doesn't let me eat so much meat for a long time.

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