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HERE IT IS. THE TRUTH ABOUT FASTING! PART 1

nelson montana

<b>V.I.P. - Author</b>
The Benefits of Fasting -- Are They Real?


Why This Trend May Be The Worst Thing You Can Do

Fasting is something that has gone in and out of popularity over the years. Well, it’s back. In the past, it’s been called everything from the greatest thing you can do to boost your health to nothing but quackery. Is it a miracle or a myth? A godsend or a gimmick? That’s what we’ll explore in this article.

You’ll read about a multitude of benefits, including…

Increased energy.

Detoxing of the internal organs.

Weight loss. (Obviously).

Improved fat burning.

Prevention of Diabetes.

Improved cognitive ab[/LEFT]ility.

Sounds great, right? One problem. It’s not entirely true. This is yet another case of using tidbits of information to draw a conclusion. And very often the conclusion being drawn is one that the people conducting these studies want. Or in some cases they’re simply drawing the wrong conclusions.

Science is always correct. But studies aren’t always conducted correctly. Nor are they always interpreted correctly. The proof is that scientific evidence is discredited and debunked all the time. Years go by, new information comes along, and what was thought to be accurate is then dismissed. Scientists will also often look at the conclusion of the study and miss the real world applications. It’s the old joke -- “the surgery was a success, but the patient died.” What is genuinely valid and what is a good hypothesis is a source of constant controversy and that most certainly is the case here. Studies are one thing -- results are another.

I’ve never been into those message board wars of people cutting and pasting studies to try and prove their point. I say….make the point. Don’t just say that so and so said so or somebody wrote a book or did a study and I should listen to what they have to say. Explain
your reasoning!

And that’s what I did here. So let’s look at some of these supposed benefits of fasting and see how they hold up to logical examination.

FIRST OFF...WHAT EXACTLY CONSTITUTES A FAST?

Right here, there is some debate. How long is a fast? 24 hours? 48 hours. 15? The truth of the matter is the body is essentially in a fasted state every time you’re hungry. And you should get hungry several times a day. Unfortunately, too often the American way of eating is to eat until you’re full and then when you can eat again ….you eat again. That puts tremendous stress on the liver, kidneys and pancreas. So giving your body a break from food now and then is a good idea. The question is, how long is good and how long is too much? Some fasting advocates that the “magic” doesn’t start until after 72 hours. Maybe so, but I can guarantee that whatever benefits come from that are far outnumbered by the deleterious effects.

HUNGER CAN BE YOUR FRIEND

The bottom line with weight/fat loss is that it can not happen unless you get hungry. That’s when weight loss occurs. Embrace it! If you want to lean out you must be able to tolerate some hunger now and then. And that’s more a case of recognizing the fact that hunger isn’t always a matter of needing food. It’s a matter of feeling “comfort.” We eat for pleasure as much, if not more, than we eat for sustenance. One method to avoid overeating is to simply get distracted. Stay busy! It’s amazing how when you focus on something, suddenly you’re no longer thinking about food. Another trick that works for me is to drink seltzer or club soda. Besides being a fluid, the carbonation provides a feeling of fullness without any calories. Always try to make it to the hour or half hour before grabbing that snack. More often than not you’ll find you don’t need it.

One old school tactic for getting lean is to simply skip breakfast. But wait a minute...isn’t breakfast “the most important meal of the day?” Says who? Think about it, if you eat dinner at 7:00 and have a snack at 9:00 then in the morning, have a cup of coffee until lunch, well, that’s a 15 hour fast! And it isn’t torture. Do that every other day and you’re sure to lean out --as long as you don’t binge later in the day, which is quite possible when going too long being hungry. That too happens when people come off of a fast.



YOU AREN’T BETTER INFORMED IF YOU JUST HAVE MORE WRONG INFORMATION

This next statement is the crux to the entire issue, so...pay attention.

“THE BODY IS A PRIMITIVE AND HIGHLY EFFICIENT MECHANISM AND IT’S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS SURVIVAL.”

Always remember... your body doesn’t care what you want to look like. It only knows self preservation and will respond according to what it experiences. Once you go longer than 24 hours without food it detects a famine. And it’ll do what it must to survive.

So keeping that in mind, let’s look at some of the so called benefits that occur while in a fasted state. One thing people experience is that they are no longer hungry. Another is that they suddenly have a lot of energy. “Oh wow! That must mean all the toxins are leaving my body!” Nope. The reason you have no appetite and have energy is because your bloodstream is being flooded with adrenaline! And why? Because the body doesn’t know that there’s food in the refrigerator or that there’s a Chick Fil-A down the block. As far as it knows you still live in a cave and if it needs food it’s going to give you the energy to go get it. Go find something, kill it and eat it! Unfortunately, adrenaline is very catabolic. It absolutely destroys muscle. It’s a stress hormone that is released in a state of panic. And that is something that has its own studies to prove the point. Curiously, adrenaline secretion drops off after 72 hours of fasting. One may interpret that as a good thing. But keep in mind, the body will run out of its self preserving capabilities after a while. If there is no more adrenaline, it’s a sign that the vital functions are beginning to fail. For that reason alone you’d want to avoid being in that state. But there’s more...

STUDIES SAY THAT FASTING INCREASES BRAIN FUNCTION? BUT, HOW?

This is one that seems perplexing -- until you take a closer look. Every study that shows being in a fasted state improves brain function was done on animals. Now, how can they tell their cognitive ability has been heightened? Are they asking them trigonometry questions? The way they test the intelligence of a rat is to put it in a maze and see how long it takes to figure out where the food is. Well, is it any wonder that the fasted rat finds it more quickly than a well fed rat? It’s fucking starving!



LET’S BE REAL

If you’ve ever experienced hypoglycemic symptoms you know it isn’t pleasant. Dizziness, weakness, lethargy. That isn’t because your muscles don’t have enough sugar, it’s because your brain doesn’t. It MUST have glucose. Now people on carb restricted diets may claim they do alright without carbs, but in that case the body is running on ketones (not exactly healthy, but that’s a topic for another time), yet, the brain is still getting glucose and without carbs it’s getting it from protein. Protein will convert to glucose just not nearly as well as carbs, but again, in a state of survival, the body will do what it has to do. Nevertheless, the body always prefers carbs for fuel. Incidentally, some people would never dare eat a cookie, but they eat rice, potatoes , oatmeal etc. Well, all that turns to glucose within the hour! It has other nutrients and fiber whereas plain sugar is nutritionally valueless, and sugar will spike insulin levels causing more fat storage, but as far as the body is concerned in regard to fuel, it isn’t that much of a difference. People think fructose isn’t as bad as cane sugar because it isn’t quite as “high glycemic” but it’s worse in other ways. Fructose, and corn syrup will dramatically increase triglyceride levels leading to hardening of the arteries. Obviously sugar should be kept to a minimum. Nonetheless, there’s no secret formula or magical combination to weight loss, better health or more effective bodybuilding other than eating wholesome food, emphasizing protein and not over eating.


HERE IS THE CRUX -- THIS IS HOW THE BODY GETS ITS ENERGY AND HOW IT BUILDS MUSCLE-- AND WHY IT MATTERS TO THIS TOPIC

So we’ve established that the first source of energy is carbohydrates because they are what are most easily converted to glucose. Carbs have 4 calories per gram. It’s important to keep that in mind. I’ll explain in a moment.

You may have heard theories about doing cardio on an empty stomach so that you no longer have carbs in the bloodstream. But it would take quite a while before absolutely no carbs are present. But in a fasted state, that could happen. And it’ll take approximately 24 hours of zero food.

So assuming you use all the carbs in your system, the body still needs fuel. Therefore, what will it use for fuel at that point? Fat? WRONG!

That’s a common belief -- or should I say, the hope and wish.

For one thing, if the body is attempting to protect itself, since we’ve established that its main priority is survival, it will actually hoard fat since fat protects organs and is used for long duration activity. You burn more fat walking a mile than running a mile -- because it takes longer. And fat is 9 calories per gram, so in essence, it requires more effect to be put into use. Besides, there’s another 4 calorie per gram food source -- protein. And what on the body is protein? MUSCLE! As well as skin and cardiac tissue. (*It should be stated that people who are anorexic often die of heart failure before they die of malnutrition). And if you’re a bodybuilder you’ve got plenty of muscle to spare. But is that what you want? To give up muscle?



WHAT THE HECK IS AUTOPHAGY?

You may have heard this term regarding fasting. Autophagy is the body's way of cleaning out damaged cells, in order to regenerate newer, healthier cells, at least according to nutritionist Priya Khorana. (By the way, a degree in nutrition requirement is just a regular 4 year B.S.). Anyway, “Auto” means self and “phagy” means eat. So the literal meaning of autophagy is “self-eating.” In other words, it’s catabolism. One of the claims is that old muscle cells die and new ones are made. Sure -- that happens all the time in daily life. Cells die, cells regenerate. The process slows as we age, yet continues until we stop living. But for bodybuilding performance purposes, we want the most re-generation we can get. In short, we want more cell growth than cell loss. That’s the BUILD part in “bodybuilding.” There does seem to be certain supposed health benefits associated with Autophagy such as a “detoxing” and the release of growth hormone. But it’s very difficult, if not impossible, to measure accurately. Then again, lots of things release toxins, including sweating and defecating. And lots of things release GH, including squatting and taking a nap.


ANABOLISM FOR DUMMIES

As one goes along studying and examining any topic, there comes a better understanding, and along with that is the tendency to think on a deeper level. But when extraordinary expertise is achieved where one comes full circle and things are once again simplified. You see through the extraneous factors and get down to the heart of the matter. So let’s get back to basics and take a look at how muscle is really built and break it down in common sense terms. In this way, we can better analyze the results of fasting.

IT’S NOT HOW MUCH YOU GET, IT’S HOW OFTEN YOU GET IT

Muscle is made bigger and stronger through the process of nitrogen retention. Simply put, you absorb aminos and they repair muscle tissue. The more the muscle tissue has been broken down from exercise, the more the body will utilize protein to rebuild it. The more protein that is available, the more potential muscle growth. This is so simple that many people think they understand it when in fact, they have it all wrong.

It isn’t so much the amount of protein that we ingest that is a factor. It’s the availability that counts. When food passes through the small intestines the vili grabs nutrients in a very “catch as catch can” manner. Most food leaves the body as waste. So even though you may have eaten a big steak, the time it takes to pass through the intestines might just be a couple of hours, whereas there are 24 hours of potential absorption of protein and hence, potential muscle growth. This is why the old time bodybuilders believed in eating small meals throughout the day, plus taking amino acid tablets in-between meals. It was also a practice to take them first thing in the morning and even if they woke up in the middle of the night. They didn’t want to waste an opportunity to get protein to the muscles!

Incidentally, I developed a product called GEAR which had a unique form of instantly absorbable aminos. It was meant to be taken in-between meals and it worked great! Using it regularly resulted in a visible advantage. But it was simply too cost prohibitive so it was unfortunately discontinued. A shame.

END OF PART !
 
bro nelson...want to point something out....

.....If you’ve ever experienced hypoglycemic symptoms you know it isn’t pleasant. Dizziness, weakness, lethargy.....

bro...on fasting...all hypoglycemia symptoms go away...after 30 days fasting there is no hypoglycemic feeling....you forget about insulin spikes on fasting....
 
Are you gonna carry on with the 'worst thing' analogy when you already agreed it's a turn of phrase.

Are you going to keep asking the same question to which you already know the answer?

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This is hilarious. Not one comment on what is being said. It's all nit picking and quibbling over minutea.
 
Are you going to keep asking the same question to which you already know the answer?

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This is hilarious. Not one comment on what is being said. It's all nit picking and quibbling over minutea.

I've zero intention of fasting and it wouldn't kill you to stop saying how god awful dangerous it is while getting all riled up with other mods.
 
After a couple weeks of only eating 1-2 meals per day I haven't felt the sensation of hunger. It has been months. I feel so much better not eating most days until around 6pm.

i did it too, all by accident more or less, just because of the compounding amounts of work between businesses etc and before you know it, you just get used to it... you feel a lot less heavy etc.. at least for me... its not even something i have been doing intentionally but i do like it
 
I've zero intention of fasting and it wouldn't kill you to stop saying how god awful dangerous it is while getting all riled up with other mods.

Nah, I'm not riled up by the mods. I have nothing to gain. I was asked to come on the board as a courtesy to help promote the product line I developed. Then the people who sell the product line go out of their way to discredit me? It's all so dumb. So I'm just trying to make myself clear until those who want t hear my side of the story are satisfied, and then I can get out of here.

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i did it too, all by accident more or less, just because of the compounding amounts of work between businesses etc and before you know it, you just get used to it... you feel a lot less heavy etc.. at least for me... its not even something i have been doing intentionally but i do like it

And I state in the article how that is fine and has its benefits.
 
Nah, I'm not riled up by the mods. I have nothing to gain. I was asked to come on the board as a courtesy to help promote the product line I developed. Then the people who sell the product line go out of their way to discredit me? It's all so dumb. So I'm just trying to make myself clear until those who want t hear my side of the story are satisfied, and then I can get out of here.

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And I state in the article how that is fine and has its benefits.
never said you didnt and also wont get involved in any arguments... all i was doing was answering masonic... im running three different businesses and way way way way way beyond any sort of arguments online anymore... i want less than zero to do with it... and i will only be reading from here on out... you guys can all fight this one out... everyone has plenty of info to pass around and all you guys should do is focus on learning from each other and working together, not having petty arguments... everyone is hear to learn, not argue...
 
never said you didnt and also wont get involved in any arguments... all i was doing was answering masonic... im running three different businesses and way way way way way beyond any sort of arguments online anymore... i want less than zero to do with it... and i will only be reading from here on out... you guys can all fight this one out... everyone has plenty of info to pass around and all you guys should do is focus on learning from each other and working together, not having petty arguments... everyone is hear to learn, not argue...

I don;t blame you. And for the record, I never set out to argue. I thought I was being invited to give my expertise. But it differed from other's opinions and then the insults began to fly. And that's why I bowed out of continuing along those lines.
 
Nah, I'm not riled up by the mods. I have nothing to gain. I was asked to come on the board as a courtesy to help promote the product line I developed. Then the people who sell the product line go out of their way to discredit me? It's all so dumb. So I'm just trying to make myself clear until those who want t hear my side of the story are satisfied, and then I can get out of here.

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And I state in the article how that is fine and has its benefits.


So here's the thing - your product selling is one thing. The 'dispute' is something else. And let's be honest every single person on the forum agrees on and favours a ton of stuff. Like nearly everyone works out and or wants to improve themselves in some way. We're 'arguing' over ONE thing. And when I say we I don't care to look into the good or bad of fasting. It's not on my radar.

Forums have a habit (as do many social media sites) or exaggerating disagreements. Now, as I've said a few times now, making your point by claiming it's the worst thing ever was all your own work. And it's hardly likely to make friends and influence people is it - you already know why. And discredit you? No.

To be clear - all the mods know who you are. If not they damn well ought to. But we're allowed to disagree. Heck, some of your early career was made by having round table debates (in Muscle Media etc) where... cue shock... not everyone agreed. And in doing so it educated and entertained the reader.
 
It's funny that more people tuned into the bitch-fest than considering the actual information that can prove helpful, so I'm presenting it again here -- for those who care about bodybuilding. Drama queens can ignore it.

I'll be happy to elaborate on any of the points to those seeking knowledge. But I'm sorry to say that I will not engage in dares, adolescent taunts or pussy games of any kind. I'll speak only to men.
And here's part II. https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/part-2-role-steroids-fasting-77547.html
 
It's funny that more people tuned into the bitch-fest than considering the actual information that can prove helpful, so I'm presenting it again here -- for those who care about bodybuilding. Drama queens can ignore it.

I'll be happy to elaborate on any of the points to those seeking knowledge. But I'm sorry to say that I will not engage in dares, adolescent taunts or pussy games of any kind. I'll speak only to men.
And here's part II. https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/part-2-role-steroids-fasting-77547.html

bro are you going to do a podcast with steve and rick on fasting? Fasting #2...last one steve went all out here
https://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-org-podcast-364-big-fasting-diet-episode-no-food-19days/
 
bro are you going to do a podcast with steve and rick on fasting? Fasting #2...last one steve went all out here
https://www.evolutionary.org/evolutionary-org-podcast-364-big-fasting-diet-episode-no-food-19days/

I guess you missed the debate. I did not back out of the podcast. I was the one who WANTED to do it. But it turned into a a gang-up without any consideration of the facts I was presented and that was too much like the old days of the idiot kids on the message boards and I have not time or inclination to conduct business under unprofessional circumstances.
 
I guess you missed the debate. I did not back out of the podcast. I was the one who WANTED to do it. But it turned into a a gang-up without any consideration of the facts I was presented and that was too much like the old days of the idiot kids on the message boards and I have not time or inclination to conduct business under unprofessional circumstances.

Bro so guys disagreeing with you are idiots and kids? ... I disagree, many scientific studies were posted and discussed... and none of those you addressed in podcast because you backed out... that’s my understanding maybe I’m wrong but that’s what i saw...

Bro ... I did see where Steve (just 1 guy) said something nasty to you , he was wrong to call you a name...I disagree with what he said to you and he shouldn’t have... but no other person did it and I think Steve is smart and understands it was the wrong move because it was used by you as a reason not to do the podcast...if he’s a mature man which he is , he knows he should give all sides of the story a chance even if disagrees...

Bro nelson you have my respect ... but until you do the podcast on fasting... I’m sad to say I’m disappointed with you ... I think you can do one with no debate just you and rick show your side of fasting story ... maybe it’s valid... but until it’s up just words ...
 
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