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    Higher Doses when cutting? (Seems the pros are doing it)

    It seems the general consensus when it comes to competitive bodybuilding is that most pros will run lower AAS doses when bulking and higher doses when cutting. Which kind of goes against what one would think. You would think that they would run higher doses when bulking to assist in adding more muscle and lower the doses when cutting to maintain.


    However it makes sense when you think about it...


    Building muscle is rather easy and can be done with minimal doses of AAS as long as the calorie intake is conducive. When you're bulking there's nothing working against you, you have the androgens, and the calories you need so doses can be moderate when trying to build muscle.


    When cutting, you have everything working against you. Lack of calories, increase in cardio (burning calories), decrease in training endurance/strength, etc. If anything you would want to increase your AAS during this time to counteract everything else working against you to preserve as much muscle as possible and prevent catabolism.


    Here's a study done that analyzes the methods used by bodybuilders including their doses. You can see that they increase their doses substantially when cutting. -> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28458804/


    Also here's an "alleged" leak of Big Ramy's off-season & contest prep cycle:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stugatz View Post
    It seems the general consensus when it comes to competitive bodybuilding is that most pros will run lower AAS doses when bulking and higher doses when cutting. Which kind of goes against what one would think. You would think that they would run higher doses when bulking to assist in adding more muscle and lower the doses when cutting to maintain.


    However it makes sense when you think about it...


    Building muscle is rather easy and can be done with minimal doses of AAS as long as the calorie intake is conducive. When you're bulking there's nothing working against you, you have the androgens, and the calories you need so doses can be moderate when trying to build muscle.


    When cutting, you have everything working against you. Lack of calories, increase in cardio (burning calories), decrease in training endurance/strength, etc. If anything you would want to increase your AAS during this time to counteract everything else working against you to preserve as much muscle as possible and prevent catabolism.


    Here's a study done that analyzes the methods used by bodybuilders including their doses. You can see that they increase their doses substantially when cutting. -> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28458804/


    Also here's an "alleged" leak of Big Ramy's off-season & contest prep cycle:


    NIce article stugatz!!! Some good info!


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    Make sense and is the reality for sure . off season you can grow on test + deca + dbol + hgh + slin and dont need to much because you rest more , eat more and sleep better , so much more anabolic .
    When comes to contest , you have low calories , alot of stress and lack of sleep you will need more and also more androgenics to hold the mass you gain on offseason . The only problem on higher dosages pre contest is water retention but last week we fix it with depliting loading and diuretics .

    This is a crazy cycle . Do you think Ramy needs all this stuff to get that level?

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    You should give credit to the article you copied this from:
    https://www.evolutionary.org/big-ramy-steroids#toc-5

    I wouldn't doubt big ramy is doing a ton of HGH and steroids for sure!
    Lev Butlerov - Evolutionary.org Staff Author

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    It doesn't make sense. How about... not getting that fat that you need to take a lot of drugs!!

    Insert shocked face here

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    Interesting read...but more research is needed...and always give credit if article is copied

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    I do not believe this is his cycle thereís no way everything they use here is straight from the pharmacy the amount of oil needing to pin youíd be in so much pain and will get multiple bad injections from the amount youíd be doing but ofcourse the dosages are high but absolutely not this hgh insulin will be high this can be pinned fairy easy they also use igf1 over there

    Iíd guess this
    2g test
    1g deca
    800 mast
    dbol oxy 50-100
    hgh 8-18iu
    insulin 150iu
    Igf1 300mcg

    Iíve spoken to a guy living in Iran he tells me your first cycle is 1g test 5iu hgh if you have the genetics they then go is high as 3g test 10iu hgh they canít get tren and never use deca i believe as itís only whatís in the pharmacy no deca there

    Hadi is a freak and many Iran bodybuilders are huge other things oxy anavar they use

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    Great article looking forward to more of them

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    I'd completely ignore using the levels that pros do as an idea to follow. It's a false flag.
    1) we rarely actually know what they do
    2) just because one idiot does 3 grams doesn't mean I gotta. I don't get anywhere near a gram EVER.
    3) drugging yourself to the degree of making yourself ill (or dying as we've seen this year more than most) vs losing weight the hard way

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    Is almost impossible to know what pros are using . Roelly Winklaar when he was coached by the "grandmother" he not even know what is in syringe, most of them like Fouad dont know nothing about drugs , combinations they only do what coaches tell or apply on them .
    On Iran they use alot boldenone vet of high quality . They have deca there because i know Oxygen Gym uses deca aspen

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