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    Growing Brother LordEscanor's Avatar
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    How do you define testosterone being shut down

    I know many people says they are against oral only steroid cycles because they will still shut you down.
    I wonder what's the testosterone level that you would consider as shut down?
    We know the normal range for guys under 40 is 300-1200ng/dL
    Do you consider someone who have 300ng/dl level as shut down? Or do you consider someone who have female level testosterone(10-60ng/dL), basically their test no longer produce testosterone anymore as shut down?

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    The term "shut down" is so often misused. People think that "suppressed" is the same as "shut down." It's not.
    In that profile pic, I'm 64 years old. On only 100 mgs of TRT a week. Designer and Developer of N2GUARD and BRIDGE. www.needtobuildmuscle.com

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    shutdown means your pituitary glands are not producing hormones. when you run bloods and LH and FSH is near 0 then you know you are shutdown. all exogenous hormones will shut you down including testosterone of course (proviron has been shown to not shut down people in some instances)

    suppressed means after cycle and pct when your body is trying to recover but is still struggling. it can also mean early in a cycle when your pituitary glands are starting to realize something is up

    we see both these terms pushed on social media or forums as something to do with dick health. "omg i tried fucking my gf last night and i can't get it up, help! i'm shutdown". half of middle aged men can't get it up and never touched steroids before. nothing to do with each other
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    It's comparing what you are like before to after.

    Let's take YOU before you touched a steroid. I'll also assume you had ZERO other issues. No stress, no illnesses etc. You were sensible enough to go get a blood test. And boom - there you was right in the middle of the range for an Asian fella. Now you go on - oral or injectable. Your levels (via another test), at the least, double. You feel GREAT and the gym is a piece of piss (easy). You even add 5lbs of new muscle.

    The cycle finishes. It's that space between the cycle and PCT. You wait long enough for the esters to clear. Now you get tested. The numbers come back in the low 100's (from say an low av 350). But not only that you feel like shit. Training is hard. You lack the manly clarity you had before never mind the 'boss' ones from being on. Holding onto that gain is hard.

    That's being shut down. I'd doubt very much you could come up with a reading of actual zero. And that's without estrogens bite

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEscanor View Post
    I know many people says they are against oral only steroid cycles because they will still shut you down.
    I wonder what's the testosterone level that you would consider as shut down?
    We know the normal range for guys under 40 is 300-1200ng/dL
    Do you consider someone who have 300ng/dl level as shut down? Or do you consider someone who have female level testosterone(10-60ng/dL), basically their test no longer produce testosterone anymore as shut down?
    Shut down means you can't produce testosterone, usually guys that are shut down have LH/FSH that's almost 0 and VERY low natural test levels, I've seen guys as low as 50-100ng/ml post cycle without PCT.

    Fools and idiots don't use full PCT coming off cycle, when they don't their body collapses and they NEVER fully recover. Even 10 years later the person wont recover. That's why I tell guys use PCT so there is no shutdown for life.

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    Shutdown means you aren't producing test. You will be at or near zero. Suppression means lowered amounts of testosterone. Steroids will shut you down no matter what you run. At first you'll be suppressed. Then whether its a week or 2 you will be shutdown

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    shut down is when you aren't producing your own hormones
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    bro when you shut down mean you on the sauce

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    When you stop producing TEST, it means a SHUT DOWN.That is why full PCT is a must

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    Shut Down is often confused....its when you completely stop producing test...not when you are recovering...

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