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Thread: I Maintain -- Fasting is the WORST Thing a Bodybuilder Can Do

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    I Maintain -- Fasting is the WORST Thing a Bodybuilder Can Do

    It's damaging to bodybuilding goals in so many ways. And I'll prove it. But not here.

    In this field we depend on being as informed as possible. But don't mistake a lot of wrong information as being better informed. This is what i will address.

    The reason for all of this? I was recently accused of "bringing down the level of the podcasts" by saying that I don't believe in fasting. It was an off the cuff remark and we didn't get into it much. Rick said he didn't want to say I was wrong because he believes in "respecting his elders."

    Well, I'm 67 and I say, "Fuck the elders." Somebody can be old and be an asshole.

    What SHOULD be respected is someone's knowledge, talent, intellect, experience and accomplishments, and if you've been on this planet long enough, hopefully you've acquired it. And THAT is what is worthy of respect, not just the age.

    So Rick invited me to do a rebuttal. It'll be me against Rick and Stevesmi -- two against one, but I can handle it. I may be old -- but I'm sneaky. lol I've got a few aces up my sleeve that will shock the audience.

    So tune into the "Fasting Controversy" podcast coming soon.

    School will be in session .
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    Looking forward to podcast

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    2 out of the past 3 Nobel Prize winners in medicine won it by proving that fasting causes autophagy. The science is not on your side Nelson but I look forward to the podcast.

    if more bodybuilders fasted they would still be alive today and much healthier. everyone i don't care if you knit for a living or you are at the highest levels of bodybuilding can and will benefit from fasting.

    btw I've done it and the benefits were miraculous. My total cholesterol levels went from 220 to 140. my blood sugar went from 136 to 69. went from ridiculously insulin resistant to insulin sensitive. fasting works. I logged 2 of my longer fasts below. I had originally planned 5 days but i loved it so much i went 10. the other fast was 19 days. and last week i completed a 5 day fast which was a piece of cake.
    https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-d...er-fast-story/
    https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...day-54370.html

    also just FYI the person who said that comment was a listener to the podcast, it wasn't Rick or I. but yeah Rick can shoot from the hip sometimes, trust me i know i work with him and he isn't the easiest guy to get along with. but we will be ready.

    the podcast should be recorded this week and be live in about 2 weeks for everyone to listen to
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    The worst? Not even close. Not even on the same planet as some stupid shit.

    One MIGHT argue about eating a great deal of food in a 6 hour window isn't great. But that's off set by the benefits (and not doing any great harm - if any) of the other 18 hours without food. Something, in both cases, we've done many times through history and survived as a species.

    I suspect Nelson is using a VERY BIG spoon to stir debate.

    And I say all that as a 56 year old
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmi View Post
    2 out of the past 3 Nobel Prize winners in medicine won it by proving that fasting causes autophagy. The science is not on your side Nelson but I look forward to the podcast.

    if more bodybuilders fasted they would still be alive today and much healthier. everyone i don't care if you knit for a living or you are at the highest levels of bodybuilding can and will benefit from fasting.

    btw I've done it and the benefits were miraculous. My total cholesterol levels went from 220 to 140. my blood sugar went from 136 to 69. went from ridiculously insulin resistant to insulin sensitive. fasting works. I logged 2 of my longer fasts below. I had originally planned 5 days but i loved it so much i went 10. the other fast was 19 days. and last week i completed a 5 day fast which was a piece of cake.
    https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-d...er-fast-story/
    https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/...day-54370.html

    also just FYI the person who said that comment was a listener to the podcast, it wasn't Rick or I. but yeah Rick can shoot from the hip sometimes, trust me i know i work with him and he isn't the easiest guy to get along with. but we will be ready.

    the podcast should be recorded this week and be live in about 2 weeks for everyone to listen to
    Autophagy can be created without getting anywhere near a starvation state. (Which is anything approximately over 24 hours without food). So this is a perfect example fo reading the science wrong. One thing I've learned with my dealings with scientists is that they often see what they want to see and use a scientific conclusion to reach it. Well, science is never wrong, but a scientist often is. And scientific conclusions are discredited all the time.

    Your cholesterol and went down when fasting? No shit. You ate less! You didn't have to fast to get that result. My cholesterol is 150 and I never fasted in my life.

    I'd love to tell you why fasting gets easier, and why it isn't a good thing, but I'll save that for the podcast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson montana View Post
    Autophagy can be created without getting anywhere near a starvation state. (Which is anything approximately over 24 hours without food). So this is a perfect example fo reading the science wrong. One thing I've learned with my dealings with scientists is that they often see what they want to see and use a scientific conclusion to reach it. Well, science is never wrong, but a scientist often is. And scientific conclusions are discredited all the time.

    Your cholesterol and went down when fasting? No shit. You ate less! You didn't have to fast to get that result. My cholesterol is 150 and I never fasted in my life.

    I'd love to tell you why fasting gets easier, and why it isn't a good thing, but I'll save that for the podcast.
    Def interested! I use intermittent fasting from time to time and it has worked for me but doing 16/8 not full 24 hours + as ive no interested in ketosis. Interested to hear the other perspective because I see things everywhere even Harvard articles stating its benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    Def interested! I use intermittent fasting from time to time and it has worked for me but doing 16/8 not full 24 hours + as ive no interested in ketosis. Interested to hear the other perspective because I see things everywhere even Harvard articles stating its benefits.
    Yikes sorry not Ketosis mix my no carb thought process in there!

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    But speaking about ketosis would be interesting if you guys touched on that too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelson montana View Post
    Autophagy can be created without getting anywhere near a starvation state. (Which is anything approximately over 24 hours without food). So this is a perfect example fo reading the science wrong. One thing I've learned with my dealings with scientists is that they often see what they want to see and use a scientific conclusion to reach it. Well, science is never wrong, but a scientist often is. And scientific conclusions are discredited all the time.

    Your cholesterol and went down when fasting? No shit. You ate less! You didn't have to fast to get that result. My cholesterol is 150 and I never fasted in my life.

    I'd love to tell you why fasting gets easier, and why it isn't a good thing, but I'll save that for the podcast.
    have you ever fasted? that will be the first question you are asked on the podcast. if you haven't done it then how does anything you have to say on the matter mean anything? you have no anecdotal evidence to back up any of your claims. I've got bloods, logs, pics, etc. to back mine up. I also have some amazing client stories from people i have got fasting, from avg joes to guys who compete. Rick and I have been fasting since we were in our 20's. I've been doing prolong fasts for years now along with time restricted eating. we have 40 years experience doing it. you have 0.

    I already knew you would throw the science in the trash. and I told Rick that this morning. so if you don't want to listen to the science and you want to ignore the anecdotal evidence, then that leaves us where?

    you might want to fast first before coming on, atleast that would even the playing field on anecdotal evidence, and get daily bloods while you are at it like i have where you can see the evidence in black and white. unless you don't believe in blood work either i don't know.

    also 20 hours is the number to shoot for. so if you go 24 hours you only get 4 hours of autophagy. that is great, but that isn't gonna get you the benefits of a longer fast. which brings me to the 2nd question you will be asked which is to define what fasting even means to you. one person might view fasting as 10 hours, another might view it as 10 days. it depends. you might want to brush up on the differences

    the bloods i have showed that WBC dropped 3 days into my fast. so that is going to be the day you start getting the true autophagy. how nice in an age of a pandemic to get rid of old weak WBC's and rebirth brand new troops. last i checked bodybuilders have to stay healthy to workout right?

    btw it is important to remember even just fasting 12-16 hours a day and time restricted eating has benefits. specifically it will save your gut a lot of problems. no you won't get autophagy coming into play but you still get a lot of other benefits. again another huge deal for bodybuilders since they have awful gut health
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    Most guys on this forum run gear or sarms. Some are looking to bulk, while others recomp or cut. It would be helpful to share how fasting should be applied to each from your perspective. Get the health benefits but is there a time and place when it should be applied and other times not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigblue10 View Post
    Most guys on this forum run gear or sarms. Some are looking to bulk, while others recomp or cut. It would be helpful to share how fasting should be applied to each from your perspective. Get the health benefits but is there a time and place when it should be applied and other times not?
    we have a podcast on fasting https://poddtoppen.se/podcast/107133...ds-for-cutting that will answer most of your questions.

    also I have an Ebook guide in my signature on fasting. you can buy it off amazon for a few bucks or you can simply drop me a message and you will get it for FREE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post

    But speaking about ketosis would be interesting if you guys touched on that too!
    most people sadly will reach ketosis within 24 hours on a fast. that is because they are so super insulin resistant. I don't believe you may fall into that group because of your history of doing IF. you probably will hit it sometime on day 2.

    you can buy ketone strips from the drug store and piss on it. if you start noticing ketones in your urine then you hit it
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