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ViperRacing31

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Yo, if I was the President of The United States I would make steroids legal. The government claims they are harmful blah blah blah...but yet, the government allows tobacco companies to produce products that legitimately kill people every year. So why is it a drug that harms people is allowed but steroids kill like one person every 31 years or whatever. The government is fucked up. Man, if I ran the country the VA system would also be 100% fixed. If a vet had low testosterone he wouldn't need to beg the VA system to prescribe him testosterone, they'd just do it. God, let me have an opportunity to become president of the U.S. and things would change. I wouldn't talk about change...I'd be about change. And I wouldn't randomly tweet stupid ass tweets every day.

Everyone chime in here about the legalization of Steroids.
 
Most Doctors are just Scared to Prescribe Steroids, for Fear the DEA will Lock them up.
So the Majority don't anymore, except the Clinics, and some Endocrinologist, and a small sprinkling of GP's.

When I started back in 78'.
I had a Doctor who was quite knowledgeable, and not only prescribed what you wanted.
But did the Bloodwork, and everything else to maintain your Health.

And the Pharmacists had No Problem filling the Prescriptions......................... JP
 
Actually, Viper, you wouldn't make steroids legal were the POTUS, for the POTUS does not make anything either legal or illegal. That is the job of the congress which is the body that brought about the Steroid Comtrol Act of 1994 to begin with. As POTUS, you use the bully pulpit to urge such change, but you yourself would be powerless to do so.
I do, however, agree that the highly illogical prohibition against anabolic steroids need be abolished.
 
Actually, Viper, you wouldn't make steroids legal were the POTUS, for the POTUS does not make anything either legal or illegal. That is the job of the congress which is the body that brought about the Steroid Comtrol Act of 1994 to begin with. As POTUS, you use the bully pulpit to urge such change, but you yourself would be powerless to do so.
I do, however, agree that the highly illogical prohibition against anabolic steroids need be abolished.

Yes Sir, I'm aware I couldn't do it myself. I would however ensure congress had my back though.
 
this is a complicated issue. some steroids are actually already legal in the US, you just need a script. hypothetically if steroids were legal in the US they would be pharma grade sold where? let's say they were sold in a pharmacy and you could walk in and buy them, it would still have to be regulated in some way because they are too powerful to be sold over the counter.

but let's assume this pipe dream came true and steroids were totally legal. they would be extremely expensive and stuff like tren, primo, EQ, etc which are not pharm grade legal in the US would still have to be acquired illegally on the underground market. so essentially it would not help anything. we would STILL buy our gear underground anyway, why pay 5X the price for ripoff pharm grade gear? and now you are missing some of the best steroids like primo, EQ, and tren. those are 3 of my favorites and i would not be able to buy them anymore anyway

look at viagra. if i go to a doc and get a script and take it to the pharmacy and get it legally it would cost me a fortune, yet i can buy it from ag-guys as a research chemical or from an indian pharmacy with no script and pay 1/5th the price. so in the end even though viagra is legal in the US, we still acquire it other ways anyway. these are drugs that cost very little to produce yet the pharma companies jack up the prices to fuck us over, imagine what US pharma companies will do to steroid prices

so my view is this: we should be more like canada or the UK. legal to use for personal use, that would make the most sense.

from an economic standpoint it makes the most sense to not make them legal. ;)
 
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Yo, if I was the President of The United States I would make steroids legal. The government claims they are harmful blah blah blah...but yet, the government allows tobacco companies to produce products that legitimately kill people every year. So why is it a drug that harms people is allowed but steroids kill like one person every 31 years or whatever. The government is fucked up. Man, if I ran the country the VA system would also be 100% fixed. If a vet had low testosterone he wouldn't need to beg the VA system to prescribe him testosterone, they'd just do it. God, let me have an opportunity to become president of the U.S. and things would change. I wouldn't talk about change...I'd be about change. And I wouldn't randomly tweet stupid ass tweets every day.

Everyone chime in here about the legalization of Steroids.

Legality yes but with restrictions. This very forum shows on a daily basis why some should NOT be allowed to simply walk in and buy steroids like an adult can with tobacco. One such restriction which we refer to often is an age limit (we prefer 25 onwards).
 
Well now, Viper, at least no one can chide you for a lack of optimism.

Haha, yes sir you are correct.

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Legality yes but with restrictions. This very forum shows on a daily basis why some should NOT be allowed to simply walk in and buy steroids like an adult can with tobacco. One such restriction which we refer to often is an age limit (we prefer 25 onwards).

Yes sir, I agree. Legal with some restrictions. When a 38 year old Army Vet has to literally TRY (try always equals fail) and beg the VA to prescribe test, and they don't.. After he's been tested for low t, and then has to go elsewhere to get test...that's a problem.

Definitely should be legal to buy and use in this country.
 
It'd be interesting to see what OTC roids would cost and whether or not there'd be a special tax on them.

Hell, if I had my way...if I was president during my term there would be zero taxes. Haha...yeah wishful thinking.

I would think the prices would be or could be comparable to ugl prices. There's a gas tax, death tax, tobacco tax...so I'm sure some lawmaker would throw a tax on legal AAS.

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Zero taxes on everything for either the 4 or 8 year term. Haha
 
Hell, if I had my way...if I was president during my term there would be zero taxes. Haha...yeah wishful thinking.

I would think the prices would be or could be comparable to ugl prices. There's a gas tax, death tax, tobacco tax...so I'm sure some lawmaker would throw a tax on legal AAS.

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Zero taxes on everything for either the 4 or 8 year term. Haha

I'm a Brit so we gotta have taxes right? But let's call it a cosmetic tax. So all those getting botox can pay too ha ha
 
Haha, yes sir you are correct.

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Yes sir, I agree. Legal with some restrictions. When a 38 year old Army Vet has to literally TRY (try always equals fail) and beg the VA to prescribe test, and they don't.. After he's been tested for low t, and then has to go elsewhere to get test...that's a problem.

Definitely should be legal to buy and use in this country.

but TRT is legal. there are 20 year olds on TRT, muskate got on TRT at that age but there are regular docs who won't prescribe TRT either. you have to keep seeing doctors until you find the one who will listen..

or you just do self TRT. it is less of a hassle to do self TRT and get your own blood work done anyway then wasting time going to doctors.

i have a link in my signature where you can order your own test and a link where you can order your own blood work. done deal.
 
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This is a complicated issue. Some steroids are actually already legal in the US, you just need a script. Hypothetically, if steroids were legal in the US they would be pharma grade sold where?

Within pharmacies and doctor’s offices just as it was prior to Joe Biden's Steroid Control Act of 1990, not to mention its 1994 update.

Let's say they were sold in a pharmacy and you could walk in and buy them. It would still have to be regulated in some way because they are too powerful to be sold over the counter.

Yes of course it would still have to be regulated - rather vigorously, in fact, and I don’t think that anyone other than an objectivist would argue otherwise, certainly not I.

But let's assume this pipe dream came true and steroids were totally legal. They would be extremely expensive and stuff like tren, primo, EQ, etc. which are not pharm grade legal in the US would still have to be acquired illegally on the underground market. so essentially it would not help anything. we would STILL buy our gear underground anyway…

Yes, for a time - post-prohibition, we would still be compelled to purchase the likes of tren’ and EQ illegally. But I think that the re-legalization of AAS and AS would lead to a sociopolitical climate that would eventually bring forth the legalization of tren’, primo’, EQ, etc. as well. And we are already beginning to see the establishment of the pre-political foundations for such a sociopolitical climate. Here in California, for example, an initiative has been proposed that would, if approved by voters, legalize psychedelic mushrooms and, in time, other hallucinogens. So, just as the slow but steady legalization of marijuana and other cannabis derivatives is, in turn, leading to at least the decriminalization of psychedelics, so too would the legalization of test’ and, say, anavar lead to the eventual decriminalization and possibly the legalization of the likes of tren’.

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...itiative-would-legalize-psychedelic-mushrooms & http://www.businessinsider.com/why-psychedelic-drugs-should-be-legalized-2016-6

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QUOTE=stevesmi;908332]Why pay 5X the price for ripoff pharm' grade gear?[/QUOTE]

But within a post-prohibtion-world steroids would be made available by way of a physician’s prescription; prescriptions that would be largely paid for by insurance providers. Hell, in view of my policy’s zero deductibles and zero copays, I wouldn’t have to pay a dime for gear.

...And now you are missing some of the best steroids like primo, EQ, and tren. those are 3 of my favorites and i would not be able to buy them anymore anyway.

See above.


Look at Viagra. If I go to a doc' and get a script and take it to the pharmacy and get it legally, it would cost me a fortune.

Yes. But, aside from the often successful argument that a healthy sex like is essential to good health, which often leads to Viagra being made available free of charge or nearly so, arguments toward the medical necessity of steroids could also be employed (i.e., anti-aging).

Yet I can buy it from ag-guys as a research chemical or from an Indian pharmacy with no script and pay 1/5th the price.

Very well. But I like the idea of using pharma-grade gear that I know for a fact was manufactured within a sterile and well-regualted environment. I am quite satisfied with the UG gear that I use (Geneza Pharmaceuticals), but I know perfectly well that it is manufactured in Moldova and by “God"-knows-who, not within a sterile and well-regulated laboratory in Geneza, Switzerland.

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So, in the end, even though Viagra is legal in the US, we still acquire it other ways anyway. These are drugs that cost very little to produce yet the pharma' companies jack up the prices to fuck us over. Imagine what US pharma' companies will do to steroid prices.

There again, logically speaking, the re-leagalization of anabolic steroids would very likely lead to an arrangement in which insurance providers would cover the loin’s share of such costs.

So my view is this: we should be more like Canada or the UK; legal to use for personal use, that would make the most sense.

I agree with that assessment. What it ignores, however, is the very real concern having to do with safety. Given that what Steve is suggesting is decriminalization for personal use rather than outright legalization, would the simple decriminalization of steroids make it likely that insurers and the medical industry would want to treat those of us who use steroids irrespective of their legality? I, for one, doubt that they would.

Thank you, Viper, this is an excellent and much-needed dialectic.
 
^^^ good points but I am skeptical you can compare 2017 to pre-1990 when it comes to the way pharma companies steal from people and also the entire medical industry which is absurd.

canada and UK has a govt healthcare so they don't let the medical industry get out of control. we on the other hand don't care that a ER visit costs 5K. medical industry is too much of a business.

i still think if the pharma companies were able to sell steroids they would charge us a fortune and the govt would tax the hell out of us. a vial of test would go from $75 on avg to $500 on avg and people would still pay that
 
...I am skeptical that you can compare 2017 to pre-1990 when it comes to the way pharma companies steal from people and also the entire medical industry which is absurd.

Indubitably. The fact that the plutocracy recently prohibited Medicare Care officials from negotiating the price of pharmaceuticals is both criminal and an obvious indication that the U.S. is now, as Jimmy Carter stated, “an oligarchy with unbridled political bribery.”

Canada and the UK have a govt. healthcare system, so they don't let the medical industry get out of control. We, on the other hand, don't care that an ER visit costs 5K. Medical industry is too much of a business.

As unquestionably true as what that certainly is, I don’t know that that fact would preclude the congress from decriminalizing steroids. After all, as Steve alluded to, decriminalization would constitute a veritable bonanza for pharmaceutical capitalists. Now of course one could well-argue that insurance capitalists would balk at such a proposal, and it would be an argument with more than a little merit. Nonetheless, I for one think that post-Trump America will be a time of unparalleled political progressivism that may well pave the way for single-payer healthcare, a new wave of environmental protections, the transition from a carbon-based economy to an economy based on renewable energy sources and, yes, even to the decriminalization of anabolic steroids. Accordingly, the adoption of a single-payer healthcare system would remove insurance capitalists from the healthcare and pharmaceutical equation, thereby also creating a situation in which our tax monies would pay for our prescriptions, including those having to do with anabolic steroids.

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I still think if the pharma' companies were able to sell steroids they would charge us a fortune and the government would tax the hell out of us. A vial of test' would go from $75 on average to $500 on average, and people would still pay that

Yes of course the government - the people would derive taxation from a system of legalized steroid sales. But, given a single-payer healthcare system, those tax monies would be used, in part, to pay for our steroids.

I'm a Brit so we gotta have taxes right? But let's call it a cosmetic tax. So all those getting botox can pay too ha ha

You see, in England and other civilized societies, tax monies pay for all things medical. So why can’t we do that same thing here in the so-called greatest country on earth?

Hell, if I had my way...if I was president during my term there would be zero taxes. Haha...yeah wishful thinking...Zero taxes on everything for either the 4 or 8 year term. Haha

Haha, indeed. For were that to happen, American society would find itself on par with Somalian “society” posthaste.

“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.” —Oliver Wendell Holmes
 
but TRT is legal. there are 20 year olds on TRT, muskate got on TRT at that age but there are regular docs who won't prescribe TRT either. you have to keep seeing doctors until you find the one who will listen..

or you just do self TRT. it is less of a hassle to do self TRT and get your own blood work done anyway then wasting time going to doctors.

i have a link in my signature where you can order your own test and a link where you can order your own blood work. done deal.

Yes I know trt is legal. But if the VA does not prescribe it when the blood results show you're low then you have to acquire it through other channels.

Hell, I've asked them to hook me up with chantix, to help quit smoking..
Their thought process was...well, let's try a smoking class to help you. A class?? Really wtf.

Legal AAS is no worse than cigarettes. Congress can be ok with cigarettes then I feel congress could legalize AAS
 
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