I was a roid maniac 25 yrs ago. When I got back into lifting seriously again I was in a big hurry to recoup what I had let go and almost did the dumb all over again and start filling up on things I had used in the past. With forums like this and also all of the knowledge that has been gained since my days competing in powerlifting I have been able to stop for a bit and learn/re-learn. I see a common trend here that I found to be solid truth-define your goals, research for the truth not just want you want to hear and definitely do the bloodwork. I think what I am going to do is learn a bit more on these SARM's and get into it slowly and see if I get the results I am looking for before I go "active" and blast through a cycle of test or whatever. I am still getting good growth naturally and cutting fat% as I go-slowly but surely. Perhaps a SARM's cycle will give me a boost and satisfy my thirst for a while. It has been a long time since I cycled so yeah I am a newbie all over again but I do know that if I can find something less stressful on my body that helps me continue to grow then that is a good thing. And if any younger guys out there are listening -don't let impatience rule over rational thought. I was one of those guys that did what everybody else was doing, without the science based knowledge available today, and while I thought I was the shizzle back then I have lived long enough to know that my impatience fueled bad choices and I paid a big price for glory. I am not going to make those mistakes again, and with age comes wisdom-there is plenty of time to grow in your lifetime, it doesn't have to all happen in 2 months time. Be smart, your body will thank you for it later. I'm not sounding off against the use of steroids, but rather for the use of the mush between your ears before you run off and do something you may regret later for not doing your reseatch and prep. But hey, it's your body, and if you are cool with hurriedly shoving things into it and hoping for the best then good luck to you on that. Like it has been said here a lot-learn and make a smart plan. Thanks for the reply Gearhead.