Through some anavar on top of my trt dose. First time taking it by itself. Everyone seems to think it's mild but i find it to be rather strong. Big strength gains and a decent increase in vascularity. The increase in strength has made my workouts really taxing. I need about 9 hours of sleep to somewhat recover and am sore as fuck. Never realized how good it makes me feel too. Have really had to fight the urge to drink. Not a big drinker but the sense of well being makes me feel like partying. Lol. My favorite AAS by far.