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Thread: Low T at age 34 - what to do next?

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    Low T at age 34 - what to do next?

    Just had the hormone panel done thru PrivateMDlabs - now I need to decide what direction to go as far as supplementation and PEDs are concerned.


    My stats:

    Just turned 34. Been lifting weights since I was 13, but only seriously training (Oly lifting first and then powerlifting) for 5 years.
    5'9", 195 lb. , 15% BF (usually I sit at ~11-12% and a little bit lighter).
    Diet is ~40/30/30 C/P/F, above maintenance to gain some mass
    Sleeping 7-8 hr per night, job is not particularly stressful
    Only "cycle" (embarrassed that I wasted the $$) was 2 years ago: 6 weeks of the DHEA version of Bold (used formeron, prolactrone, and DAA as a PCT, felt zero effect and saw zero results from it).

    total test was 403 one year ago, doc didn't order the full hormone panel though

    here's the results from Saturday morning:

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    I still have far more ups and downs with mood than I think I should given that I'm at a pretty good place mentally, and it doesn't seem to matter how carefully I adjust my volume and intensity, but training beats me up pretty quickly and my energy level is hit and miss. Single and not looking (at the moment) but sex drive is mediocre.

    Curent plan was to run a SARM cycle along with HCGenerate to see what improvements I can make without going the AAS route. I'm probably too young and not quite low enough to ask my doc about TRT . . . but maybe I need to at least see an endocrinologist to get some input.

    Any advice?

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    I'd def see an endo.
    If you are interested in running a cycle I would recommend a actual testosterone only cycle. I would not continue to spend time on "cycles" that aren't gonna give you the results you will see from aas.
    You also have the option of self prescribing your trt. You will need to spend a lot of time studying up on testosterone first, but it's not a hard thing to do and you clearly are up on how to get and interpret your bloodwork.

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    OK, you're Probably Too High on the Total Test for a GP.
    Go the Endo route, and Stress the Fact that you're not Feeling Well.

    Tell Him or Her that you have No Sex Drive, No Energy, Not Sleeping Well.
    Also Explain that your Training is Beating you Down.

    It's not all about the #'s.
    The Symptomology goes a long way also, if the Doctor is worth a Shit....................................... JP
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    I wish you Luck !
    If not you could always look into a Test only Cycle.

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    Definitely worth checking into a endo....although I'm 26 with a 375 total t and I got denied...take that for what it's worth....seek some professional advice and research alottttt and I meant alot. Good luck !

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    Appreciate the help so far guys

    Have a new PCM and I'm meeting with him next Monday to ask about an endo referral - I will definitely be stressing how I feel most importantly, but also the fact that my 60+ yr old father has T levels near mine (whether my levels are "normal" or not). I won't touch any test boosters or PEDs until I see what the endo wants to do.

    I work in the strength and conditioning/sports nutrition field, I've exhausted every food and training option that I know of. Not that an MD actually respects my credentials, but maybe if I can find an endo who's an athelte . . .

    Anybody have any threads bookmarked with guidelines for self-prescribed TRT? I'll start reading up on everything I can find here in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLF View Post
    Appreciate the help so far guys

    Have a new PCM and I'm meeting with him next Monday to ask about an endo referral - I will definitely be stressing how I feel most importantly, but also the fact that my 60+ yr old father has T levels near mine (whether my levels are "normal" or not). I won't touch any test boosters or PEDs until I see what the endo wants to do.

    I work in the strength and conditioning/sports nutrition field, I've exhausted every food and training option that I know of. Not that an MD actually respects my credentials, but maybe if I can find an endo who's an athelte . . .

    Anybody have any threads bookmarked with guidelines for self-prescribed TRT? I'll start reading up on everything I can find here in the meantime.
    Yea those ranges are flawed anyways....from a scale of 18 years old to 80 literally lol. So is 400 normal, sure, but for who?? A 60 year old??? sure isnt normal for a 26 year old. That's why I cannot stand the scales. Search around for some self trt....most people that do stick to 150mg to 250mg a week to every 10 days or 2 weeks. Depends on how good the gear is in my honest opinion. Me personally(if I decide to do self trt) will do watson test c 150mg every 10 days. My 2 cents....there is alot of good info out there bud. Don't take any one persons advice although your an adult and I'm sure u know that lol and learn as much as possible. We are here to help

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    here's an article i wrote on trt bro... http://www.evolutionary.org/trt-cruising-and-bridging/

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    going on HRT for the rest of your life is a huge decision.

    you have to ask yourself if your lifestyle choices are contributing.. and I do not mean just if you eat good and exercise but also what you do for a living. stress both at home and at the office is deadly when it comes to crushing your test levels and skyrocketing your cortisol levels.

    yes if you hop on the sauce forever that will cause your T to go up to lets say 700 or 800 at a TRT dose. but will it mean that the problems you have at home or at the office will go away? are you eating as well as you could? are you exercising daily? are you freeing your mind and doing relaxation? are you getting enough sleep? ask yourself those questions. cause too many guys assume fixing their T levels is the end all and its far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmi View Post
    going on HRT for the rest of your life is a huge decision.

    you have to ask yourself if your lifestyle choices are contributing.. and I do not mean just if you eat good and exercise but also what you do for a living. stress both at home and at the office is deadly when it comes to crushing your test levels and skyrocketing your cortisol levels.

    yes if you hop on the sauce forever that will cause your T to go up to lets say 700 or 800 at a TRT dose. but will it mean that the problems you have at home or at the office will go away? are you eating as well as you could? are you exercising daily? are you freeing your mind and doing relaxation? are you getting enough sleep? ask yourself those questions. cause too many guys assume fixing their T levels is the end all and its far from it.
    agree 100% and appreciate that input - hope I didn't make it sound like I was eager to pin for the next 50+ years because I'm definitely not.

    I'm just getting frustrated with this uphill battle to feel good (on a pretty regular basis) in the gym and in the bedroom and I want to be aware of the worst case scenario (TRT). I didn't want to have a total hip replacement at age 33 either (congenital defect that got worse with time) but to have a good quality of life, I had to do it - had to face the worst case scenario.

    I have my life pretty much in order. Solid in my faith, confident in my skills at my job (it's not the best job I've had but its not high stress). Not putting much money away but I can pay my bills and take care of myself. Had some relationship stress 3 or 4 months back but I worked through it.

    Honestly, would be nice to just see what having test at 800 feels like - maybe I've got some other issue going on thats not showing up in bloodwork and it won't do much for me at all.

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    bro you're a little low on lh/fsh and test but nothing super horrible...add some hcgenerate with some ostarine mk and add in cardarine gw 20mgs ED....
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