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was Nelson Montana scared to debate Steve Smi?

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I read these threads in detail and it looks like Nelson Montana backed out of doing the podcast because he was afraid of being schooled by Steve Smi.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ing-worst-thing-bodybuilder-can-do-77505.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/you-want-proof-you-got-it!-77531.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...here-truth-about-fasting!-part-1-a-77546.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/part-2-role-steroids-fasting-77547.html

Read those, Nelson was schooled by Steve. That's why he backed out of the podcast. screaming hard:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/there-will-no-podcast-77530.html

Hey Nelson why you back out like a baby? screaming mad 70 year old lol :p
Steve did you get nelson to podcast the fasting or he ran away?
 
This was resolved. May I suggest letting it go. Both are mods I trust and respect. Please join me in showing them that respect...
 
bro I think nelson backed out of the podcast to be fair...i dont think steve backed out...lets see what steve says
 
the podcast happened regardless, I want people to know the truth and bring forth the science, data, and anectodal information. Nelson did not show up which is fine. we did the podcast without him and it will be published soon and everyone is happy.

I am dubbing this "Fasting podcast-gate". in the end as long as the information is put out there then everyone wins, that is all i care about. :D:cool:
 
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Yep, I backed out for the simple reason that it was pointless. It already became a war of cut and paste studies. The funniest was the one from the Nobel prize winner which had absolutely nothing to do with the supposed benefits of fasting, no less the detrimental effects in regard to building muscle -- but it didn't matter. Because nobody reads them no less understands them. So I wanted to part of being involved in a discussion where the topic couldn't be properly discussed. It already turned into a bitch fest on the board.

That's why as a courtesy to the members I wrote a full detailed in-depth explanation of the principles of the topic and only a handful of people read it. Because, let's face it...most message boards are about being in a clique, bro science and bullshit high school posturing like the kind exhibited in the first post here.

I tried to help. But apparently, most people here already know everything. And besides, I've only been in the industry longer than most people here have been alive, been published in most of the bodybuilding magazines, dealt with many of the major pro competitors, wrote two books so how can I know as much as a message board guru?

And not for nothin.' The pic in my atavar is from just a couple of years ago. And I'd say I look at least as good as most anyone here. But I'm old, so it doesn't count. i get it. And I accept it. And it may or may not surprise anyone that I couldn't give a rat's nutsack what you think.
 
I read these threads in detail and it looks like Nelson Montana backed out of doing the podcast because he was afraid of being schooled by Steve Smi.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ing-worst-thing-bodybuilder-can-do-77505.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/you-want-proof-you-got-it!-77531.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...here-truth-about-fasting!-part-1-a-77546.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/part-2-role-steroids-fasting-77547.html

Read those, Nelson was schooled by Steve. That's why he backed out of the podcast. screaming hard:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/there-will-no-podcast-77530.html

Hey Nelson why you back out like a baby? screaming mad 70 year old lol :p
Steve did you get nelson to podcast the fasting or he ran away?

Don't make me post up YOUR THREADS. Or we'd see how you've claimed to have been scammed by 2 sellers or only post when shit happens.
 
Yep, I backed out .

I'm going to put that in my signature. Nelson Montana the "great" backed out of a podcast because he couldn't prove his point or admit he was wrong. Shame Nelson, real shame you're 70 and act like you're 20.

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I'm going to put that in my signature. Nelson Montana the "great" backed out of a podcast because he couldn't prove his point or admit he was wrong. Shame Nelson, real shame you're 70 and act like you're 20.

And the study had everything to do with fasting Nelson.
 
... It already became a war of cut and paste studies...

I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just mentioning that this is the Internet. How else do we provide supporting sources to back up our claims? By copying and pasting links with evidence supporting studies.
 
I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just mentioning that this is the Internet. How else do we provide supporting sources to back up our claims? By copying and pasting links with evidence supporting studies.

bro thats what I dont get either...so Nelson wants proof but refuses to read studies?....he makes no sense at all to me....if he's not an medical fact he agrees with, he blames it copied and pasted studies....seems Nelson was called out and couldn't back his claims....
 
bro thats what I dont get either...so Nelson wants proof but refuses to read studies?....he makes no sense at all to me....if he's not an medical fact he agrees with, he blames it copied and pasted studies....seems Nelson was called out and couldn't back his claims....

Okay, I'll try to explain this one more time, because it seems to elude some people.

I am not refuting any medical facts. I'm saying that there are lots of studies that support both sides of an argument and every one of them can be interpreted in many ways. So simply saying HERE'S A STUDY! means nothing. And there is real world information that isn't in any studies.

I am not saying that a scientific analysis doesn't mean anything, I'm saying that the conclusion is often debatable. THAT is what I do. And THAT is what I wanted to talk about. I thought it'd be boring to read studies on air so i asked to have the gist of the studies discussed. And that's what I did in my article. I explored the information on a deeper level. So why isn't anyone discussing that information? The only reason I can asertain is that they either can't comprehend it ,or they just want drama or don't really give a shit one way or the other. So, therefore, this is what we have.

As far as that loser 800lbgorilla -- dude, whatever little pussy game makes you happy -- go for it.
 
800lbgorilla has showed himself over and over as being nothing but a douchebag that constantly creates drama and stirs the pot. That's his only contribution to this forum.
 
800lbgorilla has showed himself over and over as being nothing but a douchebag that constantly creates drama and stirs the pot. That's his only contribution to this forum.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious he's worthless but out of respect to the other members who got caught up in the confusion regarding the studies, I felt it was worth addressing. Hopefully that's been cleared up.
 
Yeah, it's pretty obvious he's worthless but out of respect to the other members who got caught up in the confusion regarding the studies, I felt it was worth addressing. Hopefully that's been cleared up.

Mr. Montana I feel as though you have cleared most things up but you didn't answer my question from the other thread.

have you ever fasted before? if not, then why should I trust a pilot who has never flown a plane before to fly me across the ocean? you answered about a doctor doing surgery who never had the surgery done on themselves. but that isn't a good comparison. I would want a doctor during surgery on me who had done that surgery before and had experience. I would never be a guinea pig
 
Mr. Montana I feel as though you have cleared most things up but you didn't answer my question from the other thread.

have you ever fasted before? if not, then why should I trust a pilot who has never flown a plane before to fly me across the ocean? you answered about a doctor doing surgery who never had the surgery done on themselves. but that isn't a good comparison. I would want a doctor during surgery on me who had done that surgery before and had experience. I would never be a guinea pig

Yes, I have fasted but it seems like you're still confused on the issue. You're conflating having done something personally with understanding the topic, hence my analogy. The expert surgeon is the person who understands the process, not the person who has had the most surgeries. Understand now?
 
Yes, I have fasted but it seems like you're still confused on the issue. You're conflating having done something personally with understanding the topic, hence my analogy. The expert surgeon is the person who understands the process, not the person who has had the most surgeries. Understand now?

That is great to hear Mr. Montono. my other question in the thread you did not answer and was hoping you would. how long did you fast and what did you eat to break your fasts?

also can you tell me the differences between a dry fast and water fast and how many of each have you done?
 
That is great to hear Mr. Montono. my other question in the thread you did not answer and was hoping you would. how long did you fast and what did you eat to break your fasts?

also can you tell me the differences between a dry fast and water fast and how many of each have you done?

I think if you read these two threads it'll help you out.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...here-truth-about-fasting!-part-1-a-77546.html

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/part-2-role-steroids-fasting-77547.html
 
I am not sure why people are continuing to destroy Nelson. Even though I do not agree with his opinion on fasting, you have to look at what he has contributed to this forum and bodybuilding in general. Give your heads a shake guys.
 
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