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    Quote Originally Posted by jp4355 View Post
    Question:
    1) What is Day 1 to 21 ~ 1,000 IU's of Clomid EOD ~ is this a Typo.

    2) Why would you want to include an Antidepressant like Remeron ~ which has Withdrawal Side Effects for some.
    Could it be that all that Clomid has you Depressed ?

    3) And then your Body isn't going through enough of a Roller-Coaster ~ lets toss in an ECA Stack & Clen.

    Dude ~ you are either a Troll ~ or a Maniac ~ you haven't a Clue how to run a proper PCT........................ JP
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    High amounts of Clomid are known via Clinical Studies to cause Depression, and a whole host of other Side Effects.
    You sir deserve a medal, way to stick up for us rookies new in the game... Well done Bravo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masonic Bodybuilder View Post
    Hi EVO Family,

    We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perf...e-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

    What You Need:
    -1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
    -2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
    -1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
    -1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
    -1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
    -2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
    -*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

    Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

    Weeks 1 and 2

    HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

    Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

    N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

    Week 3

    HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
    Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
    N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

    Clomid - 50mg per day
    Nolva - 40mg per day

    Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

    Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

    N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

    Week 4

    Exact same as Week 3 except:
    -nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

    Week 5

    Exact same as Week 4 except:
    -clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
    -aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

    Week 6

    Exact same as Week 5 except:
    -Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

    Week 7

    Exact same as Week 6 except:
    -clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
    -nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
    -stop taking aromasin
    -stop taking Ostarine

    Week 8

    Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

    *Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

    I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.
    Thanks for all the info, now can you please share a PCT without running SARMS. Since I have access to pharmaceutical grade stuff straight from the pharmacy. From Nolvadex, clomid, hcg it's all over the counter here...

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    HCG and Clomid is all you need to completely recover in most cases.

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    How's HMG, instead of Hcg for put reversing hypogonad

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    pct in mg dosage please

    Quote Originally Posted by Masonic Bodybuilder View Post
    Hi EVO Family,

    We get a lot of questions on how to run a proper PCT and more specifically how to run The Perfect PCT (http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perf...e-therapy-pct/). The purpose of this thread is to simplify everything for you.

    What You Need:
    -1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
    -2 bottles of Cardarine (www.sarms1.com)
    -1 bottle of Ostarine (www.sarms1.com)
    -1 bottle of clomid (www.ag-guys.com)
    -1 bottle of nolva (www.ag-guys.com)
    -2 bottles of N2Guard (www.needtobuildmuscle.com)
    -*optional 1 bottle of aromasin (www.ag-guys.com) *optional

    Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

    Weeks 1 and 2

    HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

    Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

    N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

    Week 3

    HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
    Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
    N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

    Clomid - 50mg per day
    Nolva - 40mg per day

    Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

    Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

    N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

    Week 4

    Exact same as Week 3 except:
    -nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

    Week 5

    Exact same as Week 4 except:
    -clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
    -aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

    Week 6

    Exact same as Week 5 except:
    -Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

    Week 7

    Exact same as Week 6 except:
    -clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
    -nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
    -stop taking aromasin
    -stop taking Ostarine

    Week 8

    Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

    *Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

    I really hope this helps to simplify things. For those that are visual, there is a chart if you click the link at the beginning of the post.


    hi this is a great read would you mind breaking the (bottles) down into mg needed for this pct .

    kind regards.

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    Best PCT you can do is "Dr Scully's power PCT".....google it, its been proven in the lab, with scientific studies to back it up, do your research. It has even been used successfully to restart guys that have been continuously on gear for over 3 years straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikethermite View Post
    Best PCT you can do is "Dr Scully's power PCT".....google it, its been proven in the lab, with scientific studies to back it up, do your research. It has even been used successfully to restart guys that have been continuously on gear for over 3 years straight.
    I'm pretty sure you need to do more research. I believe you are referring to Dr. Scally, not Skully.

    First off, there is no such thing as "restarting" HPTA. You need to understand that is not how it works. If we could just flip a switch to restart then no one would be on TRT. Whether you do a PCT or not, your body has to recover on its own. PCT only creates a "softer landing" and makes coming off more tolerable.

    Secondly, his PCT contains HCG. The problem is that HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone production. Tell me how that would help recovery? It won't...it will only set you back. Guys think HCG works because they feel better. Well of course you feel better......you just injected exogenous hormones. Why not just inject test? It would be the same thing. No one has yet been able to provide any proof that HCG has any positive effect in PCT. it is all just repeated bro science.

    I could go on for hours. We just discussed this in our podcast episode #99 that we recorded last night. I suggest you have a listen.


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    Personally i think it more prudent to follow a Dr"s protocol....yeas I typo"d his name lol
    Are you a doctor Masonic? Do you have a medical degree? I think there is vastly more anecdotal evidence that Scallys pct works far better than the one you laid out in your OP......as I asked, are you a doctor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ikethermite View Post
    Personally i think it more prudent to follow a Dr"s protocol....yeas I typo"d his name lol
    Are you a doctor Masonic? Do you have a medical degree? I think there is vastly more anecdotal evidence that Scallys pct works far better than the one you laid out in your OP......as I asked, are you a doctor?
    Show me proof that HCG is beneficial in PCT. No one can. You don't need to be a doctor to understand it. Ask 100s of people how smart doctors are when it comes to hormones.


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    Should I also ask 100's of people how smart Doctors are when it comes to medicine, surgery, specialist fields such as oncology?
    Speaking of oncology....are you also disputing the findings of Doctors and research scientists when it comes to Caradine.....
    GW501516 was initially discovered during a research collaboration between GSK and Ligand Pharmaceuticals that began in 1992.[3] The discovery of the compound was published in a 2001 issue of PNAS.[4] Oliver et al. reported that they used "combinatorial chemistry and structure-based drug design" to develop it.[5] One of the authors was the son of Leo Sternbach who discovered benzodiazepines in the 1960s.[6]

    R & D Focus Drug News reported that GSK began phase I trials of the compound for the treatment of hyperlipidemia in 2000[7] followed by phase I/II in 2002.[8] In 2003, Ligand Pharmaceuticals earned a $1 million payment as a result of GSK continuing phase I development.[9]

    By 2007, GW501516 had completed two phase II clinical studies and other studies relating to obesity, diabetes, dyslipidemia and cardiovascular disease,[10][11] but GSK abandoned further development of the drug in 2007 for reasons which were not disclosed at the time.[12] It later emerged that the drug was discontinued because animal testing showed that the drug caused cancer to develop rapidly in several organs, at dosages of 3 mg/kg/day in both mice and rats.[2][13][14]
    Sorry mate but when it comes to issues such as these I will be taking more notice of Doctors and Scientists.

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