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    Quote Originally Posted by P0N View Post
    Caber should be 0.25mg e3d. Proviron at 25-50mg ed.
    If you don't run any AI at all, could proviron still cause low sex drive? My PSL packet says I think "anti aromatize" yes I know it's a DHT but still effects estrogen.
    I'm running test 600, 40mg dbol and I cut out Deca 300 last week. I know Deca lingers awhile. But since I've been running proviron, I haven't used any AI in maybe 6weeks but maybe 4times. 4th time I killed to much. I was a sandbag. Proviron did eat up both knots of gyno which were bad. Very noticeable.

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    Just trying to pin point a low sex drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabronie View Post
    If you don't run any AI at all, could proviron still cause low sex drive? My PSL packet says I think "anti aromatize" yes I know it's a DHT but still effects estrogen.
    I'm running test 600, 40mg dbol and I cut out Deca 300 last week. I know Deca lingers awhile. But since I've been running proviron, I haven't used any AI in maybe 6weeks but maybe 4times. 4th time I killed to much. I was a sandbag. Proviron did eat up both knots of gyno which were bad. Very noticeable.

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    Just trying to pin point a low sex drive
    Yea so a few things.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854098/

    "Role of estradiol in eugonadal men
    While estradiol has been shown to have a positive effect on libido at low levels of testosterone, a limited number of studies have looked into the effect of estradiol supplementation in eugonadal men and reported conflicting results. One study with continuous estradiol administration in men who had normal testosterone levels showed decreases in sexual interest, fantasy, masturbation, and erections.11 In contrast, a randomized, double-blind study conducted on 50 men ages between 20 and 40 years demonstrated that sexual activity was unaffected.12"

    Proviron has some anti-estrogen effects. It will help with low libido from deca as will caber.

    The thing is you can also have low libido if you estrogen is running out of control. 600mg/test plus 40mg/dbol a day leads to a significant amount of aromatization in your body causing high estrogen levels.

    I am not surprised you have gyno symptoms as id guess your estrogen is pretty high. Have you done blood work? What dose of AI were you running when you crushed your estrogen levels and how do you know you crushed them? Bloodwork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabronie View Post
    If you don't run any AI at all, could proviron still cause low sex drive? My PSL packet says I think "anti aromatize" yes I know it's a DHT but still effects estrogen.
    I'm running test 600, 40mg dbol and I cut out Deca 300 last week. I know Deca lingers awhile. But since I've been running proviron, I haven't used any AI in maybe 6weeks but maybe 4times. 4th time I killed to much. I was a sandbag. Proviron did eat up both knots of gyno which were bad. Very noticeable.

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    You almost certainly still need an AI. You need bloodwork to see for sure what is going on with your hormones though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    Yea so a few things.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854098/

    "Role of estradiol in eugonadal men
    While estradiol has been shown to have a positive effect on libido at low levels of testosterone, a limited number of studies have looked into the effect of estradiol supplementation in eugonadal men and reported conflicting results. One study with continuous estradiol administration in men who had normal testosterone levels showed decreases in sexual interest, fantasy, masturbation, and erections.11 In contrast, a randomized, double-blind study conducted on 50 men ages between 20 and 40 years demonstrated that sexual activity was unaffected.12"

    Proviron has some anti-estrogen effects. It will help with low libido from deca as will caber.

    The thing is you can also have low libido if you estrogen is running out of control. 600mg/test plus 40mg/dbol a day leads to a significant amount of aromatization in your body causing high estrogen levels.

    I am not surprised you have gyno symptoms as id guess your estrogen is pretty high. Have you done blood work? What dose of AI were you running when you crushed your estrogen levels and how do you know you crushed them? Bloodwork?
    I don't have gyno symptoms. I had the knots from a cycle 2years ago. Sorry for the confusion. But I've been running the proviron for weeks with no AI and the proviron has ate away my gyno. So to eat gyno, wouldn't your estrogen have to be demolished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabronie View Post
    I don't have gyno symptoms. I had the knots from a cycle 2years ago. Sorry for the confusion. But I've been running the proviron for weeks with no AI and the proviron has ate away my gyno. So to eat gyno, wouldn't your estrogen have to be demolished?
    So again you may be able to control estrogen with proviron and you may survive with higher levels of estrogen and not get noticeable gyno but is it impacting your blood pressure and other vitals? No idea. Blood work is critical to see where you are otherwise we are just guessing to be honest.

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    I got from PSL free Test Propionate vial 10ml. Is there any way to incorporate into cycle of Test E 500 week + Deca 600 week? Propionate acts imediately, Test E takes few weeks to rech full potential. Any combination Test P and Test E ?
    Or, store it and keep it for some future cycles? Dont want it to waste it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marisol View Post
    I got from PSL free Test Propionate vial 10ml. Is there any way to incorporate into cycle of Test E 500 week + Deca 600 week? Propionate acts imediately, Test E takes few weeks to rech full potential. Any combination Test P and Test E ?
    Or, store it and keep it for some future cycles? Dont want it to waste it.
    Store it for later in my opinion. I've gotten several test prop vials as freebies over time this way. I'm not a huge fan of it though. It has more PIP and you need to pin EOD. I've cycled it once and that was enough for me.

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    Ok, let me get back to bulking cycle, test 500+deca 600, thinking of adding Dianabol ... so it would look like rhis:

    Test E 500mg week
    Deca 600mg week
    Dianabol 50mg ed
    Aromasin 12mg eod
    Caber 0.25mg e3d
    Proviron 0.25-50mg ed
    PCT

    So, as I am investigating thia old school cycle, a question ... what would be duration for Dianabol, or thru the whole cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marisol View Post
    Ok, let me get back to bulking cycle, test 500+deca 600, thinking of adding Dianabol ... so it would look like rhis:

    Test E 500mg week
    Deca 600mg week
    Dianabol 50mg ed
    Aromasin 12mg eod
    Caber 0.25mg e3d
    Proviron 0.25-50mg ed
    PCT

    So, as I am investigating thia old school cycle, a question ... what would be duration for Dianabol, or thru the whole cycle?
    4 to 6 weeks only. Dianabol is hard on your liver and organs in general.

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    P0N has you covered. Dbol you dont want to run past 6 weeks. I would also use N2Guard on the entire cycle for organ protection/vitals.

    Also you have 2 aromatizing compounds (test and dbol) and no idea if you are estrogen prone but id make sure to take week 5 bloods to make sure the aromasin dosage covers you. It might be fine especially since you are running proviron and that has some AI capabilities but better safe than sorry IMO.

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