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Thread: Running first Cycle [ADVICE]- looking to see if I should adjust

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    Running first Cycle [ADVICE]- looking to see if I should adjust

    Hey guys,

    So I am a week into my first cycle and I would like to get some advice on some things that I am finding.

    First what I am running:
    Winstrol 50 - Oral: Every day (6 weeks)
    Test Prop 100 mg - Injection : EOD (8 weeks)
    Letrozal - 2.5 mg - Oral : Every 3 days (30 tabs)
    N2Guard - 7 tabs - Oral : Every day

    Planned PCT:
    Nolvadex - 20 mg - Oral : daily (4 weeks)
    HCgenerate - 5 tabs - Oral : Every day


    Like I said, I am only a week in and I know it will probably be another week before I start noticing any real changes; however,....

    I am experiencing post injection pain the day after my injection and the soreness is lasting 3 days. no pain felt in the site for at least a day though
    I have been making sure the injections are sterile and infection doesn't seem like a culprit - the site isn't bruised or inflamed or pussing...no visible issues - just very sore
    I have tried massaging the injections site, doing some cardio targeting the site and I have been using different injection sites each time (4 shots so far...one in each glute and thigh.

    My thighs have been the most painful so far and it is bad enuf that I am walking funny. I am going to pin my delts next ...hopefully I can still lift afterwards.

    My research has shown that Test Prop can sometimes cause pain - I am using Kinetic International Test Prop (Which I got online pretty cheap )

    My sex drive is down quite a bit and I am wondering if it is because of the Letrozal , my research has shown that I might be taking to much of this. Thoughts?

    Any suggestions regarding the cycle and how I can improve would be welcome.

    Thanks,

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    test prop is going to hurt bro.. i don't recommend new users especially use it, it isn't fun

    also i'm not a fan of using letro as your AI. use aromasin. letro is too harsh
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    You've pain from something which causes pain = normal

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    Yeah Prop on a first cycle is tough , the PIP plus the frequent shots is enough to scare most guys off .
    I did Vet grade test ent (old timers remember this shit??)
    It was only 50mg test per ml so I shooting 10 ml a week haha

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    Def Aromison on hand for your cycle too bro

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    The fast acting esters can be painful. For me, even with the slow acting esters, it took about 5-6 different brands before I found a testosterone that didn't cause my a lot of PIP. PSL stuff has been painless for me, although I have not tried their prop yet.

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    Warm the area, warm the oil, pinch the skin and inject slowly.

    Warm compress later that day and the next helps too.

    Letro is super harsh for AI. If you have it and want to run it go for it but letro is a very very strong AI so be careful as you are only really injecting 400mg/week of test and winstrol doesnt aromatize.

    PCT needs work. Need to add clomid and run an AI as well.

    If you have the funds id switch to Aromasin like Steve and others have said but make sure if you dont you are still running your AI through your PCT. Also I would add clomid. Its not either/or its better to run both.

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    My sex drive is down quite a bit and I am wondering if it is because of the Letrozal , my research has shown that I might be taking to much of this. Thoughts?

    Yes. Letorozole will crush your estrogen levels and some estrogen is needed for normal muscle gains and sexual function.

    You should be using aromasin for your AI -> https://www.evolutionary.org/aromasin-exemestane

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    Quote Originally Posted by muskate View Post
    My sex drive is down quite a bit and I am wondering if it is because of the Letrozal , my research has shown that I might be taking to much of this. Thoughts?

    Yes. Letorozole will crush your estrogen levels and some estrogen is needed for normal muscle gains and sexual function.

    You should be using aromasin for your AI -> https://www.evolutionary.org/aromasin-exemestane


    how much aromasin should I be taking? i can get it in 12.5 mg tabs

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    12.5 mg eod is a great starting point

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    so i switched up my brand of Test Prop and I am having less pain and better gains.
    I am now thinking of extending my test cycle to 12 weeks (leaving winstrol at 8 weeks)
    I will be getting some Aromasin and switching to that on the last bit of my cycle and into my PCT
    I will also be taking the advice given here and including clomid to my PCT.

    Thanks for the advice guys.

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