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Thread: Second Cycle + PCT feedback and advice needed, please

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    Question Second Cycle + PCT feedback and advice needed, please

    Hey guys, I would love some solid feedback on this cycle and possibly PCT etc. as well, if itīs not too much hassle. I certainly am no expert on this subject and wonīt be pretending Iīm, so Iīll be glad for every and any piece of information you can hopefully provide me with.
    Please donīt bash me in case itīs all bullshit, which likely is the case, but hey, Iīm still learning and trying to improve my knowledge.

    This would be my second cycle - being off gear for about a year (at the time I would be willing to start this). I would like to gain a solid amount of dry mass if possible.

    My first cycle was quite classic. 8 week long Test E, Dbol, Winstrol - though I think that Dbol was bunk. Didnīt feel a thing on it, but Winstrol was awesome in every way.



    Week 1 - 10

    Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
    ⦁ 0.85mg every 2 days

    TEST E
    ⦁ 250mg 2 times a week


    Week 1 - 4

    TURINABOL

    1. week = 7 x 2
    2. week = 7 x 3 (2 days 4 tablets)
    3. week = 7 x 4
    4. week = 7 x 5


    Week 5 - 10

    Winstrol

    5. week = 7 x 4
    6. week = 7 x 5
    7. week = 7 x 5
    8. week = 7 x 6
    10. week = 7 x 6


    Iīm really not sure about it at all. I realize itīs probably not so common mix, at the very least I havenīt seen similar cycles so far. I donīt want too heavy, but not too mild one as well. My initial thought was to wait for Test to kick in until I start with Turi, but yet again, I will be applying Nandro as well so it is possibly not quite ideal. Maybe switching Test E with Test P considering Nandro P is quick acting as well? Iīve read all those substances should synergize quite well, so that is why I came up with this kind of cycle. Itīs not so different to my first cycle, but it is definitely stronger. But yet again, thatīs what I read around the web - could be all bullshit if you ask me.



    PCT & HCG etc

    This is probably the most difficult part for me to grasp. Not for the lack of trying to find good information, but for all the contradiction and different personal preferences of users on this topic.

    Ai: I would like to run Proviron or Anastrozole during the cycle to combat aromatization. Iīm not really sure which one is better.

    HCG: Yet again Iīve read very diverse information about the amount and even when to apply it. In any case, I donīt plan using it during PCT but before. The ideal time to start using it is about 3 weeks before the cycle ends and PCT starts, right? Does this include the "off gear pause" before PCT or not?

    PCT: Classic recommendation is Clomid & Nova, but Iīve read several times that itīs far from ideal and that Clomid "fights" Nova and overall they donīt go so well together. So I would like to go for Nova & Anastrozole possibly. I will include Ostarine and Cardarine into my pct as well as vitamins and minerals + other stuff and possibly something similar to N2 Guard.

    Iīm planning to be on Ibutamoren before, during and after my cycle as well for maximal results and recovery.


    Iīll be happy for any feedback. Great gains to you all.

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    Start by reading our 'perfect PCT' sticky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mobster View Post
    Start by reading our 'perfect PCT' sticky

    I honestly did. But that is the thing as I said - all information tend to contradict themselves here and there.

    I have to admit though, that I missed the part about "when" to take HCG, so that is settled. Generally, Iīve read that HCG should never be used during PCT, only before, since it actually hinders recovery of HPTA. In any case, I will be injecting HCG, not taking pills - so maybe there is the difference.


    But it still leaves the question whether to use Clomid and Nolva together or not. Iīve even read this post once, where bros (elite members) went in depth into chemical compounds and their reaction to body etc. (didnīt honestly understand a word haha), but it was said at the end that Nolva and Clomid together arenīt that great. Canīt say if they were right, but they are certainly not the first ones, who mentioned this. But in another posts Iīve read that this was never proven. So thereīs that.

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    information contradicts itself because the perfect pct is a blueprint only

    you have to figure out how to tweak things based on your personal situation, experience, economics etc.

    since you have no experience you have to gain that by doing it and seeing what works.. also bloodwork is crucial in learning about your body.. that will take trial and error

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmi View Post
    information contradicts itself because the perfect pct is a blueprint only

    you have to figure out how to tweak things based on your personal situation, experience, economics etc.

    since you have no experience you have to gain that by doing it and seeing what works.. also bloodwork is crucial in learning about your body.. that will take trial and error

    at the end of the day you can always hire a consult to help you. i always offer 1 on 1 help
    Yeah man... You are right about that.
    Bloodworks are sure thing.

    I will think the cycle all over and message you in case 1 on 1 cooperation. Thanks

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    Proviron is NOT an AI.

    Proviron is a DHT derivative so it has mild anti estrogen properties but it is NOT an aromatize inhibitor. You 100% need to include an AI like aromasin or anastrozole into your cycle lay out

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