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Thread: Signs of gyno. Proper way to stop AAS early

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevesmi View Post
    i agree with AWM

    the bloodwork will determine where you should have your AI into pct. i am not an advocate of using one if your estrogen is under control however the issue is you are getting gyno issues so that makes it a whole new ballgame. again we gotta see your bloods and go from there. if you want 1 on 1 help once bloods come in hit me up asap and we can set a consultation up and go over everything
    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    Ok cool then you will have all of your bloods to see what is wrong. Again its likely estrogen is high and the arimidex is what will help knock your estrogen down into the healthy range.

    You can take the nolva now as well if you think you have gyno developing and continue to run it into your PCT as it will help with some of the estrogen issues as well as help jump start your LH and FSH production.
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    Be sure to post this again so others learn it.
    Bloods got pushed back to 2pm today so will do.

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    Why didn't you run an AI?
    Contact me on Wickr Me mobile messaging app (cbbram) for sources, questions, and cycle advice.

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    Well now you know going forward how important it is to run an ai from the start

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    Im not saying don't stop the cycle by any means, and agree at the very least the OP started estrogen protocol to late into the cycle, but I am wondering why the advice would be absolutely stop a cycle 4 weeks in due to estrogen issues that seem like they could be controlled without trashing a cycle where you've already completely shut yourself down. It seems like you would at least want to try and control it first. Im not a coach, and all I know is me and how I respond so just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrt4life View Post
    Im not saying don't stop the cycle by any means, and agree at the very least the OP started estrogen protocol to late into the cycle, but I am wondering why the advice would be absolutely stop a cycle 4 weeks in due to estrogen issues that seem like they could be controlled without trashing a cycle where you've already completely shut yourself down. It seems like you would at least want to try and control it first. Im not a coach, and all I know is me and how I respond so just curious.
    Id stop personally because it sounds like (and we will see once he gets blood) that his estrogen is out of control. Its really hard to get it back under control so the more he keeps dosing the worse that gyno could get.

    Thats just my opinion.

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    Update: I'm confused.

    I had bloodwork done on 2/29 and my test levels came back at 1424 and my estradiol was 55. If my test levels, prior to starting my cycle was 459, and I was only dosing 400mg a week, how the hell am I so high?

    With this being said, should I start uping my nolva to 40mg a day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awm1981 View Post
    Id stop personally because it sounds like (and we will see once he gets blood) that his estrogen is out of control. Its really hard to get it back under control so the more he keeps dosing the worse that gyno could get.

    Thats just my opinion.
    Just posted an update (below).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbbram View Post
    Why didn't you run an AI?
    Found this site afterwards. There are so many conflicting sources stating to either a) run AI from the start or b) dont run AI from the start but have it on hand because some guys wont even need to run an AI. I chose the wrong one apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock View Post
    Well now you know going forward how important it is to run an ai from the start
    Lol accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airkempo View Post
    Update: I'm confused.

    I had bloodwork done on 2/29 and my test levels came back at 1424 and my estradiol was 55. If my test levels, prior to starting my cycle was 459, and I was only dosing 400mg a week, how the hell am I so high?

    With this being said, should I start uping my nolva to 40mg a day?

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    Just posted an update (below).
    What do you mean though by high?

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    Okay, maybe my logic is off - if I was at 459 and take 400mg a week, shouldnt I be at 900ish? Or is that not how this works lol.

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    Okay, maybe my logic is off - if I was at 459 and take 400mg a week, shouldnt I be at 900ish? Or is that not how this works lol.
    Yea no offense not even close man!

    A standard estimate is 4-5x your dose is what your test levels should be so that would mean 1600-2000. This is just a rough estimate as it depends on how well doses your gear is as well as how well your body metabolizes the test.

    For instance I was running 500mg/week and I was at 2600 total test.

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