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would 1 ml of T400 per week be considered a TRT or anabolic dose? seeking opinions

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hi All,

Would you consider 1 ml of T400 per week a TRT or anabolic dose?

Would you need AI? how much would you say is required/week?

This is for someone who is 47 yrs , 5' 9", 195 lbs, shows no sides even when was at much higher dose.

Would you even consider T400 for TRT? I live in Canada, don't think T400 is even an option if I was diagnosed with low test and prescribed TRT injection.

thank you in advance.
 
thats insane... one ml of test 400 is 400 mg man... thats more than double a trt dose... thats fine for a cycle but certainly not for trt... your bloodwork determines how much of an ai you need but i rarely see someone not needing an ai at 400 mg per week...
 
The product and concentration is meaningless.

You could run T400, T1000000000, T50.

In the end you want to take the right dose that gets you to a healthy test level with no AI as Dylan stated above.

I would imagine 1Ml of T400 would take you far above the healthy range meaning its a cycle. Having said that .25ML of T400 could be a TRT dose as 100mg/week is a reasonable starting point.
 
Im on a T400 blend right now thats a combo of Test E and Test C and Im making some gainzzzz son...I have added more on top of that but my body started to recomp and grow after juist two weeks on T400


Sustanon 250 every two weeks was litteraly the trt prescription but I think its 100-200mgs of test C now though...

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100-200mgs of Test C every week**

Im no expert though someone might correct me, also it depends on where your natural T is also and how Test C affects your levels
 
What is considered the max mg/week for Cruising before it becomes Blasting? (Asking for... a friend? that probably cruises too high. 😅)

To clarify:

Actual TRT is what's prescribed by a doc with a script and is almost always for life.

Cruising at TRT doses is still cruising. IMO cruising is a silly idea as it's usually done for 1) 'cos I feel good on test' and 2) 'to maintain my gains'. Calling it TRT is beyond stupid cos, all too often (just do a search on this forum to see what I'm saying) at some point (having sometimes stayed on for years) people come off and wonder why their HPTA is fucked. Now they actually do need real TRT.

Now TRUE TRT varies from 100 mg a week (or a dose equivalent to it) to an upper (and rare) limit of about 300mg. Most real TRT doses fall into the lower end (90% are 100-200). Most who say they are cruising almost always choose to use 300mg.
 
What is considered the max mg/week for Cruising before it becomes Blasting? (Asking for... a friend? that probably cruises too high. 😅)

for most around 125mg a week is the sweet spot
 
To clarify:

Actual TRT is what's prescribed by a doc with a script and is almost always for life.

Cruising at TRT doses is still cruising. IMO cruising is a silly idea as it's usually done for 1) 'cos I feel good on test' and 2) 'to maintain my gains'. Calling it TRT is beyond stupid cos, all too often (just do a search on this forum to see what I'm saying) at some point (having sometimes stayed on for years) people come off and wonder why their HPTA is fucked. Now they actually do need real TRT.

Now TRUE TRT varies from 100 mg a week (or a dose equivalent to it) to an upper (and rare) limit of about 300mg. Most real TRT doses fall into the lower end (90% are 100-200). Most who say they are cruising almost always choose to use 300mg.

I was prescribed TRT (years ago) and the doctor that prescribed it wanted me at the high end of the range. Another doctor said my natural Test was in normal ranges, (at the very very bottom) and refused to put me on TRT. Test doesn't magically go up as you age, it goes down. So, I'm a lifer as far as that goes. It's actually cheaper and easier to get everything myself than deal with my new doctor AND the endocrinologist he sends me to.
 
I was prescribed TRT (years ago) and the doctor that prescribed it wanted me at the high end of the range. Another doctor said my natural Test was in normal ranges, (at the very very bottom) and refused to put me on TRT. Test doesn't magically go up as you age, it goes down. So, I'm a lifer as far as that goes. It's actually cheaper and easier to get everything myself than deal with my new doctor AND the endocrinologist he sends me to.

Except when your supply dries up or you get bagged with test without a script.

I totally get supplementing test to keep the costs down, etc or running your own bloods or dosing a little differently im always weary though that supplies will dry up or getting bagged with something you dont have a script for.

I get the doctor and endo thing tho its a pain.
 
Except when your supply dries up or you get bagged with test without a script.

I totally get supplementing test to keep the costs down, etc or running your own bloods or dosing a little differently im always weary though that supplies will dry up or getting bagged with something you dont have a script for.

I get the doctor and endo thing tho its a pain.


You make a very good point about supply drying up, didn't think of that. I remember getting bagged with Marijuana, now it's legal and everywhere. Well it was always everywhere.

My Tests source site has been online for 10 yrs, what if they go down? i am sure I will find an alternative.

Bouncing between General Dr and specialists are no fun too, they're pushing older men towards the black-market.
 
I was prescribed TRT (years ago) and the doctor that prescribed it wanted me at the high end of the range. Another doctor said my natural Test was in normal ranges, (at the very very bottom) and refused to put me on TRT. Test doesn't magically go up as you age, it goes down. So, I'm a lifer as far as that goes. It's actually cheaper and easier to get everything myself than deal with my new doctor AND the endocrinologist he sends me to.

you can get bloodwork on your own by clicking the link in my signature and you get results the next day. I am a believer in being your own doctor and if you can get your own bloods and get your own test then that is way better than depending on another person who is more worried about their golf tee time than their patients health. 99% of doctors don't give a flying fuck about us, that is a fact.
 
you can get bloodwork on your own by clicking the link in my signature and you get results the next day. I am a believer in being your own doctor and if you can get your own bloods and get your own test then that is way better than depending on another person who is more worried about their golf tee time than their patients health. 99% of doctors don't give a flying fuck about us, that is a fact.

You are right, a lot of times they don't care. I've seen it too many times with myself, family, and friends. You have educate yourself and to fight to get what you need, the help they should be giving you in the first place. My brother does TRT, too and goes to a doctor that talked him into getting pellets surgically implanted after telling him they were better / safer because they were plant based. It costs him a couple thousand a year and has caused him unnecessary problems, pain, and infections when there is no research showing it's safer than normal Test shots.
 
You make a very good point about supply drying up, didn't think of that. I remember getting bagged with Marijuana, now it's legal and everywhere. Well it was always everywhere.

My Tests source site has been online for 10 yrs, what if they go down? i am sure I will find an alternative.

Bouncing between General Dr and specialists are no fun too, they're pushing older men towards the black-market.

Cool yea I dont doubt it I just always throw that out there because I have a couple buddies that self dose TRT and frantically have had to look for more Test because they forget and have almost run out LOL!

Poor planing on their part. Its also nice having the script too just in case you get something delivered and it gets snagged either by customs or domestic (unlikely to happen but still a nice get out of jail free card).

One of my good friends is lucky he actually went to a TRT clinic and they gave him a script and run bloods for him every 6 months and thats it no hassle so he just buys the absolute minimum with his script and then supplements with UGL stuff.
 
hi All,

Would you consider 1 ml of T400 per week a TRT or anabolic dose?

Would you need AI? how much would you say is required/week?

This is for someone who is 47 yrs , 5' 9", 195 lbs, shows no sides even when was at much higher dose.

Would you even consider T400 for TRT? I live in Canada, don't think T400 is even an option if I was diagnosed with low test and prescribed TRT injection.

thank you in advance.

400 is way over TRT dose, I would personally use an AI at 400 but how much will depend on your BW
 
400 mg is too much and an ai is determined by bloodwork. I suggest you see a doctor for trt before you hurt yourself


I understand nothing will replace bloodwork and check by specialist, but if blood work is not an option at this point, what would you recommend as AI during Cycle if you run 1 ml of T400/week ? for someone who doesn't show any visual side effects when on much higher AAS dose) I have done at least 5 cycles in the past with no visual side effects whatsoever.


at TRT dose of 150~200 ml T400/week, would you still need AI?


I am in the process of seeing a specialist for the 3rd time to go on TRT if it doesn't work I will self medicate myself with the above doses for TRT, blasting through 14 weeks short cycles on and 14 weeks cycle off (with TRT dose).


I am hoping by running these low doses I can get away with long term use with minimal risk, till I find a dr that would put me on TRT.

I am 47, have kids, 5 9, 195 lbs, 17% fat, athletic shape and workout regularly. would you do it? what supplements would you recommend to be on at all times.

I take Opti-men multi vitamins, fish oil and webber naturals Super Prostate all year long.
 
I understand nothing will replace bloodwork and check by specialist, but if blood work is not an option at this point, what would you recommend as AI during Cycle if you run 1 ml of T400/week ? for someone who doesn't show any visual side effects when on much higher AAS dose) I have done at least 5 cycles in the past with no visual side effects whatsoever.


at TRT dose of 150~200 ml T400/week, would you still need AI?


I am in the process of seeing a specialist for the 3rd time to go on TRT if it doesn't work I will self medicate myself with the above doses for TRT, blasting through 14 weeks short cycles on and 14 weeks cycle off (with TRT dose).


I am hoping by running these low doses I can get away with long term use with minimal risk, till I find a dr that would put me on TRT.

I am 47, have kids, 5 9, 195 lbs, 17% fat, athletic shape and workout regularly. would you do it? what supplements would you recommend to be on at all times.

I take Opti-men multi vitamins, fish oil and webber naturals Super Prostate all year long.

Gyno is a visual side effect that can potentially result from high estrogen but just because you didnt get gyno that doesnt mean your estrogen was fine.

Its really up to you at this point. If you dont want to run bloodwork its just a guessing game. At 400mg/week I would guess you need an AI but again just a guess.

I have kids and I can honestly say I wouldnt run 400mg/week of test without bloodwork as you could cause harm that isnt just visible.
 
Gyno is a visual side effect that can potentially result from high estrogen but just because you didnt get gyno that doesnt mean your estrogen was fine.

Its really up to you at this point. If you dont want to run bloodwork its just a guessing game. At 400mg/week I would guess you need an AI but again just a guess.

I have kids and I can honestly say I wouldnt run 400mg/week of test without bloodwork as you could cause harm that isnt just visible.

agreed, I am just saying for once I am lucky, I am not prone to Gyno or other visual sides at higher dose. you're correct my estrogen could be high obviously. Mind you I used Aromazin throughout my cycles, 2 tablets per week, broken into halves, half ever other day.

If I couldn't go anywhere with the specialist, I will tell my family dr. of my AAS use and request a blood work every four month to keep an eye on it.
 
agreed, I am just saying for once I am lucky, I am not prone to Gyno or other visual sides at higher dose. you're correct my estrogen could be high obviously. Mind you I used Aromazin throughout my cycles, 2 tablets per week, broken into halves, half ever other day.

If I couldn't go anywhere with the specialist, I will tell my family dr. of my AAS use and request a blood work every four month to keep an eye on it.

Cool didnt realize you used aromasin. TRT again wouldnt be 400mg. 150-200mg/week you might be fine with no AI but id at least have aromasin handy. It all depends on your bloodwork but most docs in the US have people start in the 100-150mg/week range (if they know what they are doing) and then adjust from there. The idea is max dose to get you to middle of healthy range and not have to use an AI.

Sorry missed that did you already go to a specialist or are you going to see one? We have mens health clinics in the US that have a much better understanding of low T than a primary care doctor or even an endocrinologist.

Having said that many will give larger doses which isnt good for you either.

In the end as long as you dont run too high a dose and can get bloods done every 6 months (give or take) then you should be fine.
 
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