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7/24/23
Weight upon rising 288.5
Weight after workout 290.4
Body is extremely sore and tired from the mountain my wife and I climbed this weekend. Burned over 8000 calories on Saturday while eating about 2200 calories. Have been in a massive calorie deficit everyday for weeks. Ate lots of fruit on Friday and Saturday as I need to give myself nutrients when I am killing my body. I know my body and how it responds to extreme stress. Still packing on muscle while fat is melting away. I figure about 2 lbs of lean mass per week is going on while fat is melting at about the same rate. Keto is the only diet I know that will pack the muscle on while in a massive deficit. Of course you have to be a long way from your peak muscle mass you used to carry which is going on here. I figure I have another 30 lbs of lean muscle weight until I hit a peak. Will take a couple years but I will get there. Will most likely start using HGH around Christmas time and then go off the keto diet. Until then just small amounts of test and EQ and then switching out the EQ for Anavar. Amazing how it feels being off the juice for 20 years and then going back on again. Feels almost as good as the first time while using 5X less. Ive gone as high as 2 grams per week in late 90's with little to no side effects.
Workout perfomed on 16 hours of fasting
Back/Bis
Hammer Iso Rows 1 arm
205x10
225x10
225x12
Reverse Grip Low Rows
205x10
235x6 dropset 115x15, 70x15
Widegrip Lat Pulldowns
205x10
205x5 dropset 130x10, 85x10
Shrugs Seated
180x20
250x10 superset with standing 250x10
Rear Delt Bent Over DB
22.5x18x2
Seated Incline Dumbell curls
30x10x2
Seated Machine Hammer Curls
140x5
1 minute Plank
Total Lifting time 1 hr 30 min.
25 minutes Eliptical up to level 15
Meal 1) 7 Eggs, 1 oz cheese, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 6000mg Omega3, Handfull of daily herbs/enzymes/vit.
Meal 2) Later tonight will try to eat a 24 oz Ribeye and half package of asparagus.
Tomorrow morning I go in for an MRI on my right shoulder. I fully expect to have surgery again on it.
Weight upon rising 288.5
Weight after workout 290.4
Body is extremely sore and tired from the mountain my wife and I climbed this weekend. Burned over 8000 calories on Saturday while eating about 2200 calories. Have been in a massive calorie deficit everyday for weeks. Ate lots of fruit on Friday and Saturday as I need to give myself nutrients when I am killing my body. I know my body and how it responds to extreme stress. Still packing on muscle while fat is melting away. I figure about 2 lbs of lean mass per week is going on while fat is melting at about the same rate. Keto is the only diet I know that will pack the muscle on while in a massive deficit. Of course you have to be a long way from your peak muscle mass you used to carry which is going on here. I figure I have another 30 lbs of lean muscle weight until I hit a peak. Will take a couple years but I will get there. Will most likely start using HGH around Christmas time and then go off the keto diet. Until then just small amounts of test and EQ and then switching out the EQ for Anavar. Amazing how it feels being off the juice for 20 years and then going back on again. Feels almost as good as the first time while using 5X less. Ive gone as high as 2 grams per week in late 90's with little to no side effects.
Workout perfomed on 16 hours of fasting
Back/Bis
Hammer Iso Rows 1 arm
205x10
225x10
225x12
Reverse Grip Low Rows
205x10
235x6 dropset 115x15, 70x15
Widegrip Lat Pulldowns
205x10
205x5 dropset 130x10, 85x10
Shrugs Seated
180x20
250x10 superset with standing 250x10
Rear Delt Bent Over DB
22.5x18x2
Seated Incline Dumbell curls
30x10x2
Seated Machine Hammer Curls
140x5
1 minute Plank
Total Lifting time 1 hr 30 min.
25 minutes Eliptical up to level 15
Meal 1) 7 Eggs, 1 oz cheese, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 6000mg Omega3, Handfull of daily herbs/enzymes/vit.
Meal 2) Later tonight will try to eat a 24 oz Ribeye and half package of asparagus.
Tomorrow morning I go in for an MRI on my right shoulder. I fully expect to have surgery again on it.
Delete this post please. My response is up further.
16 hour fasting workout roidrage I'm very happy you're pushing in the right direction.
You only had 2 meals? not hiding anything?
I don’t cheat during the week. I only cheat on weekends. I am no longer going to cheat with simple sugars and most likely going to stay away from Doritos too unless I burn 8000 calories that day. The only reason I cheated this weekend was because that’s what we had at camp and I still ate 5500 cal deficit for that day.
nice job climbing up a mountain, many never do it ever once
bro should cum to texas and walk desert
You need to layoff the Tren and worry more about which girls are sleeping with your wife.
lol you guys are brutal on each other lately on here
That was a joke. I’m not even in rage yet. My wife otoh can’t stop dropping the f-bombs in public. Lol.
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As I said, without a Dexa, there is no reason to believe this. It’s basically impossible. Keto doesn’t create the conditions for this, at all. It’s just science
I’m not trying to be a dick, I just think it is important to be as realistic as possible with what is going on, so without a way to properly assess fat percentage, you kind of have to assume that things are are usual, not extraordinary.
And I don’t know how to delete a post anyway.
Actually I think things are going extraordinary with both my wife and I. At the end of August I will retake photos.
That’s awesome. It also sounds to me like things are going very well. I apologize if my other post came off as harsh. I just mean that it can be hard to balance anticipation with probability, and that reshaping your body is a long term task, so I don’t want you to get disappointed if there are bumps along the way.
Too funny lol
Lol that’s some good stuff
Log updates are awesome..........
Great updates 
I didn't even know we did trips and that was part of the community lol, that would definitely be awesome and a really fun idea.
Doing great keep up the progress and updates
7/25/23
Weight upon rising 288.3
Weight after gym plus meal #1 289.5
Had an MRI today so didnt do much of anything at gym except stretching and training the wife along with 30 minutes cardio on the treadmill with a 6 incline and 3.2 speed.
Meal 1)Steak Sandwich+bottle of sugarfree gatoraide, 5000mg Omega3, handful of herbs and vits
Meal 2) Bacon Cheesburger with keto bread, half bag spinach, 5000mg Omega3, more herbs and vits.
Hopefully my shoulder feels better tomorrow so I can do the leg press heavy. My shoulder always pops when I do heavy leg presses from holding on so tight.
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Weight upon rising 288.3
Weight after gym plus meal #1 289.5
Had an MRI today so didnt do much of anything at gym except stretching and training the wife along with 30 minutes cardio on the treadmill with a 6 incline and 3.2 speed.
Meal 1)Steak Sandwich+bottle of sugarfree gatoraide, 5000mg Omega3, handful of herbs and vits
Meal 2) Bacon Cheesburger with keto bread, half bag spinach, 5000mg Omega3, more herbs and vits.
Hopefully my shoulder feels better tomorrow so I can do the leg press heavy. My shoulder always pops when I do heavy leg presses from holding on so tight.
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So yesterday I only ate about 1500 calories. Also went 20 hours of fasting. Talked with my wife yesterday and when she goes back to work in a couple weeks we are going to do 1 meal per day as she works til 7:30 p.m. and gets home at just after 8. So we will have our 1 meal per day at about 8:15 every day going to sleep at 10 p.m. Any ideas on how to eat enough cals in 1 meal? Bacon and cheese added to chicken? I have keto bread so I can go burgers. If I am eating one meal per day I will have to get enough protein so over 100 grams of protein in 1 meal is going to be a challange. Should I not worry about it and see what happens? I imagine I could probably lose 4 lbs of fat per week if I am eating 1000 cals per day?
Again as a doomsayer, slopping in a shit ton of saturated fat is not the best thing for anybody’s health. Processed meats are really not very healthy, and should be avoided by everybody.
Unlikely your body will be willing to lose four pounds of fat a week. It’s pretty damn unsustainable at any body fat percentage. At your weight, three pounds of fat loss a week is about the max healthy you can hope for.
Unlikely your body will be willing to lose four pounds of fat a week. It’s pretty damn unsustainable at any body fat percentage. At your weight, three pounds of fat loss a week is about the max healthy you can hope for.
Eggs are loaded with saturated fats. As far as healthy goes. I dont give a shit. I am 53 and am following a healthier lifestyle now than I was a couple weeks ago. There is no way your going to convince me I have to be 100% perfect and dont eat anything bad. That aint gonna happen. I dont live in a bubble. I could get killed at any time driving to the gym. I will eat my baccon and eggs. I will eat butter. Again it all is saturated fat. The fact you say its not healthy just makes it easier for me to ignore you completely.
That’s fine. I won’t post in your thread anymore. Honestly, I just want you, and everybody else, to live long and healthy. Best to you.
Eggs are 25% saturated fat but the point is that many things have saturated fat that doesnt mean you cant be healthy eating them. On a keto diet it is fine since your not eating carbs. Coconut oil is almost all saturated fat. I suppose you should tell everyone that cooks with it they are not eating healthy.
Maybe for a 400 lb woman who has no athletic background and only cares about weight loss your ideas might work. But for somone like me where muscle gain and fat loss if the goal your ideas just wont work. I already poked holes in your thesis that you cant gain muscle while losing fat. That is just 100% wrong. It works for both my wife. We are nowhere near our peak level in any way. We both went over 20 years without touching PED's and pretty much have spent more time away from the gym than in it. Of course we will both hit a level when the muscle stops growing while in major cal defecit but it isnt happening yet. I need to get my wife on here and start logging soon. Maybe after she is off the PED's for 4 weeks getting ready to start another cycle.
There are a few things I will not give up in life. Sex, lifting, bacon, and mayo in that order.
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If thats the case then you probably think nobody should use PED's. You can still live healthy. You just dont need to be so anal about what level you think everyone should be at. Not everyone wants to look like Lance Armstrong. I want to look like Mike Mentzer.
Maybe for a 400 lb woman who has no athletic background and only cares about weight loss your ideas might work. But for somone like me where muscle gain and fat loss if the goal your ideas just wont work. I already poked holes in your thesis that you cant gain muscle while losing fat. That is just 100% wrong. It works for both my wife. We are nowhere near our peak level in any way. We both went over 20 years without touching PED's and pretty much have spent more time away from the gym than in it. Of course we will both hit a level when the muscle stops growing while in major cal defecit but it isnt happening yet. I need to get my wife on here and start logging soon. Maybe after she is off the PED's for 4 weeks getting ready to start another cycle.
There are a few things I will not give up in life. Sex, lifting, bacon, and mayo in that order.
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If thats the case then you probably think nobody should use PED's. You can still live healthy. You just dont need to be so anal about what level you think everyone should be at. Not everyone wants to look like Lance Armstrong. I want to look like Mike Mentzer.
You know this is a steroid forum right? While I respect your views, I think saturated fat can be very healthy for guys training hard.
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next time have the steak no bread on the sandwich part
meal 2 same issue, even keto bread no need just have the bacon and burger
I think we've established you are gonna do what you are gonna do.
but for others who might want to learn from this log LTT is right, processed meats are no bueno. they are killing us bigtime.
i'm a big believer in eating as naturally as possible, your body will thank you
but i am glad you are posting the truth about your diet and admitting you are eating some bad things, it does the forum no good for people to claim they are eating perfect when they aren't so kudos on that
but for others who might want to learn from this log LTT is right, processed meats are no bueno. they are killing us bigtime.
i'm a big believer in eating as naturally as possible, your body will thank you
but i am glad you are posting the truth about your diet and admitting you are eating some bad things, it does the forum no good for people to claim they are eating perfect when they aren't so kudos on that
LTT is only right if Health is the TOP priority. Thats not my priority. Gaining as much muscle while losing fat is my top priority. Like the other gent said above. This is a steriod message board. Health is out the window.
He’s fifty years old, three hundred pounds and forty percent body fat. I just don’t want him to stroke out.
My view, which is pretty much echoed by Steve below, is that eating as clean as possible is the price you pay for being able to take PEDS. Because the nature of them is that they magnify mad food choices, and people should try not to compound risk factors. That said, it is his life.
I can see everyones point of view.
and respect it
and respect it
This entire thing is a major adjustment for me and my wife. We will take our time getting the final toxic foods out of the diet. I cant go perfect as I have no money on the line to do so. If I was being paid to go 100% clean I would consider it. I am still in better health now than before I joined this board. Thanks for the advice.
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I dont think i am that high in BF. Also my blood pressure is 116/72 and that is before I started to clean up the diet. Ive always had good blood pressure. I have even gone as far as to stop drinking diet soda pop as I am down to 1 small cup of coffee per day. I only take one prescription and that is 1 pill for gout. I dont drink or smoke. I dont do any pot or anything else. I even make sure I get all my recomonded minerals every day and tons of water. I can outdo anyone cardiovascular wise at the gym. Just because I am big doesnt mean I am not healthy. My job made me who I am today. 35 years of extemely physical labor being a deckhand on a fishing boat. Most men cry and dont last a few years. I just think your being way too protective. You sound like an extremely over protective doctor.
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I also forgot to add. I am not going to do any hardcore cycles ever again. I am not going to do 2 grams per week like I used to. I am not going to even consider using tren again as its too strong for my age. I dont want that. I will stick to the simple easy Test, Nandrolone, EQ, Var and maybe masteron. Nobody should expect to be 100% clean on diet. Thats not realistic. What is realistic is to change over time and get better. Baby steps wins the race.
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7/26/23
Today felt like hell. My body is still massively sore and bruised up from the hike last weekend. Legs were still extremely wornout. Started using my SBD knee sleeves as I feel its time to do it. This week also is the week we change to 3 day split heavy followed by 3 day split easy. 6 days on 1 day off. Also doing 20 hours of fasting everyday. Food is hard to consume above 1500 cals. In about 3 weeks my wife and I plan on going 1 meal per day when she gets home from work after 8 p.m. So this will basically be 23.5 hours of fasting everday. I doubt I will be able to consume more than 1000 calories everyday in 1 meal unless I drink butter. Hopefully my body adjusts to it.
Weight upon rising 287.9
Weight after workout 287.8
Weight workout perfomed after 16 hours fasting
Legs
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat Press with Knee Sleeves
990x8x2 Failed the last rep and was just shy of lockout and wife failed to help move the weight into locking position. Ended up being a 10 second rep before dropping to the floor. Never failed a leg press before let alone almost at lockout.
Hoist stiff leg deadlifts
360x8x3
Leg Extensions
185x15
195x10
Seated Calf Raise
45x15
90x12
Yes/No's
3 sets of each
Plank 1 min.
5 min eliptical warmdown. I dont do cardio on leg day.
Todays food
Meal 1) Eggs Benedict(4 eggs,1/4 cup grassfed butter,1/2 tablespoon lemon,1 keto english muffin,2 slices Canadian Bacon), 4 slices ham lunchmeat, 1/2 cucumber, 5000mg Omega3,daily vits/herbs, digestive enzymes,probiotics,prebiotics.
Meal 2) Bacon Cheesburger with keto bun. 1/2 package asparagus, 5000mg Omega3, more pills, aspirin,zinc,vit c. digestive enzymes,probiotics,prebiotics.
Today felt like hell. My body is still massively sore and bruised up from the hike last weekend. Legs were still extremely wornout. Started using my SBD knee sleeves as I feel its time to do it. This week also is the week we change to 3 day split heavy followed by 3 day split easy. 6 days on 1 day off. Also doing 20 hours of fasting everyday. Food is hard to consume above 1500 cals. In about 3 weeks my wife and I plan on going 1 meal per day when she gets home from work after 8 p.m. So this will basically be 23.5 hours of fasting everday. I doubt I will be able to consume more than 1000 calories everyday in 1 meal unless I drink butter. Hopefully my body adjusts to it.
Weight upon rising 287.9
Weight after workout 287.8
Weight workout perfomed after 16 hours fasting
Legs
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat Press with Knee Sleeves
990x8x2 Failed the last rep and was just shy of lockout and wife failed to help move the weight into locking position. Ended up being a 10 second rep before dropping to the floor. Never failed a leg press before let alone almost at lockout.
Hoist stiff leg deadlifts
360x8x3
Leg Extensions
185x15
195x10
Seated Calf Raise
45x15
90x12
Yes/No's
3 sets of each
Plank 1 min.
5 min eliptical warmdown. I dont do cardio on leg day.
Todays food
Meal 1) Eggs Benedict(4 eggs,1/4 cup grassfed butter,1/2 tablespoon lemon,1 keto english muffin,2 slices Canadian Bacon), 4 slices ham lunchmeat, 1/2 cucumber, 5000mg Omega3,daily vits/herbs, digestive enzymes,probiotics,prebiotics.
Meal 2) Bacon Cheesburger with keto bun. 1/2 package asparagus, 5000mg Omega3, more pills, aspirin,zinc,vit c. digestive enzymes,probiotics,prebiotics.
To me the Cybex Squat Press and the Atlantis Pendulum Squat are the two best leg machines ever made. Wouldn’t part with either.
bro how much weight yo lose since start of log?
Yes I do understand he cares. Everyone also needs to understand that I am being very careful in what I do. I am making life changing choices for the better. Heck I cant even consume 1500 calories anymore. I am full before I finish a 750 cal meal after 20 hours fasting. Anyone have any ideas what I can do in order to consume enough before I go major catabolic?
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I think I am down 7 lbs in just over 13 days.
True Nutrition will make you custom protein shake blends. You can even add clean carbs or powdered keto fat to it. Easy to get down 600 calories in a few gulps.
Meal 2 change to burger patty with slice cheddar and 2 Fairlife protein drinks. Decided to skip the mayo and keto bun and get the extra protein my body is starving for.
It costs nothing to not have a food (bread). You can do that
well one thing people can get out of this log is that fasting works wonders. and as you said, you are full when you fast so easily vs. eating early in the day and then eating every 2 hours cause of cravings and habit.
what I wanted to happen to you is happening and now you are losing a very consistent and safe 1/2 pound per day and getting a ton of health benefits.
as far as the whole catabolic thing, i'm not sure what you mean by that. when you lose mass its catabolic, when you gain mass it is anabolic. the mass you are losing is body fat and water, you won't lose an ounce of muscle tissue when you fast until you get to 2-3% body fat. then your body starts to go after actual muscle. as i explained earlier in the thread you will lose strength in the process, atleast initially, there is no way to prevent that. but you will look more muscular and more healthy. i think you should embrace the changes and be happy here. listen to your body, don't forcefeed your body and don't throw more calories at your body just to fit your 'caloric requirements'.. don't even worry about it. at worse just eat another meal in your window, fruit would be good. watermelon is a great idea to beat the summer heat .. i'm actually very impressed with the progress you have made so far and proud of you. keep it going
Fruit is one thing I have been trying to avoid while being in ketosis. I keep forgetting that your allowed to have like 50 grams of carbs per day on keto. Would I be fine eating say 30 grams of carbs from fruit during this 4 hour window then? I guess I got to keep it tight as I will be getting some carbs from my asparagus on other various things.
You and Steve have completely different diets and lifestyles and goals.
You're in ketosis on a ketogenic diet trying to shed bodyfat, and he's trying to go for longevity, that's night and day.
You should NOT eat fruit on a ketogenic diet and you should keep carbs under 20-30 grams max. And fruits will fill up liver glycogen (fructose) and kick you out of ketosis.
Stay very low carb and with meat mainly, carnivore style.
Ok thats what I thought. I just wanted to get clarification.
You need healthy fats in there too, add more omega 3 fats with each meal, fish oil is fine, add add walnut oil or olive oil to keep fat balanced with protein. Too high protein with low fat will kick you out of ketosis because protein converts to glucose (~54%) when no fats/fibers present.
Im taking 5000mg Omega3 with every meal. I also had shrooms with grass fed butter I forgot to add in.
Going to make another big change today. Going to stop the Franz keto bread. I think it is causing massive bloating. Didnt realize how bad that shit is for your gut. Sooner or later I will be full on carnivore.
"Keto food" often has additives that can indeed screw your gut(lecithin,sugar alcohols, xantham gum, xylitol). My former MIL would make a bunch of keto food and I would feel super shittyuntil I realized she was replacing "real ingredients".
You should notice a difference super quickly.
I truly believe the cause of most issues in people these days has to do with the gut. If the gut is outta balance and you have bad bacteria your going to be in a world of hurt. I am learning and am trying to get all this crap outta my system.
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Would I be better off using mayo made with olive oil instead of soybean oil?
Are you allowed to add things like flax seeds and chia in keto. These are very helpful for your gut processes. If not, where are you supposed to get your fiber needs taken care of?
Oh yes flaxseed is allowed. I am also taking psyllium fiber husks for fiber needs. I am just wondering if I can get away with just using flaxmeal as I can get some healthy fats in there as well.
You can mix it with boiling water and make a porridge just like oatmeal, then add protein powder and almond butter and you will have something with a lot of calories that is both healthy and really easy to get down.
Thanks will give that a try.
I think my wife likes the testosterone. She told me she had a dream about a vibrator when I woke her up. I can say I had a very happy morning.
man cant put your health totally out the window but I am with you about the fats
If I didnt care about the health aspect I wouldnt be doing the keto thing and getting rid of processed food. Of course tonight I will have something that is not all that healthy. Chicken alfredo.
Have you thought of adding injectable l-carnitine to your regimen. It has no side effects to speak of, and is very good at helping to mobilize your fat stores for energy. Might work well in conjunction with a keto diet. Only downside is more injections.
Bgut health is the brain of the body. If a person has gut issues it effects everything
Didnt even know it was a thing. I dont mind injections. In fact I love them. Wish I could inject more. LOL.
7-27-23
Weight upon rising 287.4
Weight after workout 287.0
Workout performed after 16 hours fasting
Back #2
Close Grip Pulldowns
100x15
115x15
130x15
145x15
One Arm Seated Cable Rows
50x15
70x15
85x15
Reverse Grip Machine Rows
145x15
160x15
Seated Shrugs
180x20
180x15 Superset Standing 180x15
Rear Delt Machine
130x20
145x20
Bicep Machine 1 Arm Preacher Curl
40x15x2
30 Minutes Eliptical HR around 140-145
20 Hours total fasting time
Meal 1) Steak Sandwich with Base Culture Original Keto Bread, Avocado Mayonaise, Onion, Handful of Flax Seed Crackers, Two Parmesan Cheese Crisps, 5000mg Omega3, handful of vits/minerals/herbs
Meal 2) Chicken Alfredo made from scratch with butter, cream, parmasan, garlic, almond flour.
The pumps in the gym are getting more intense. Things are working. Excited to see how this new split training works for my wife and I. Everything is going so well. I just had my wife signup today and she will hopefully post a log and photos this weekend.
Weight upon rising 287.4
Weight after workout 287.0
Workout performed after 16 hours fasting
Back #2
Close Grip Pulldowns
100x15
115x15
130x15
145x15
One Arm Seated Cable Rows
50x15
70x15
85x15
Reverse Grip Machine Rows
145x15
160x15
Seated Shrugs
180x20
180x15 Superset Standing 180x15
Rear Delt Machine
130x20
145x20
Bicep Machine 1 Arm Preacher Curl
40x15x2
30 Minutes Eliptical HR around 140-145
20 Hours total fasting time
Meal 1) Steak Sandwich with Base Culture Original Keto Bread, Avocado Mayonaise, Onion, Handful of Flax Seed Crackers, Two Parmesan Cheese Crisps, 5000mg Omega3, handful of vits/minerals/herbs
Meal 2) Chicken Alfredo made from scratch with butter, cream, parmasan, garlic, almond flour.
The pumps in the gym are getting more intense. Things are working. Excited to see how this new split training works for my wife and I. Everything is going so well. I just had my wife signup today and she will hopefully post a log and photos this weekend.
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20 hour fasting is very good.
but your meals, chicken alfredo? you're eating pasta?
even almond flour its still pasta level, thats not ketogenic
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that chicken alfredo sounds good and you used clean ingredients, not olive garden fake stuff
bro roidrage yo gonna be a beast
Didnt have any pasta. The almond flour is ok in keto diet. Only a tiny amount to help bread the chicken with the cheese before frying.
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Wife is on vacation and I am compromising. I am still in ketosis and losing weight and getting stronger.
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Never had any pasta.
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I feel like im in my early 20's again.
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Yep I have cleaned it up and the food im eating is perfect for the keto diet. Just wait til I tell you how much I weighed when i woke up this morning.
Almond flour is good. Works well for many things for those who do not like carbs. I prefer chickpea flour, because I like carbs, just healthy ones.
That sounds worst lol. I'd guess, without looking, they're both much higher in protein than bog standard flour
Higher in protein and fiber, much lower glycemic index. We eat a lot of Banza, which is pasta made with chickpea flour instead of wheat. I am sure there is a difference in taste side by side, but not much if you eat one rather than the other. The health benefits w/r/t glucose control are more than worth it for me.
Never even tasted it. It acts as a crust for the browning process for the chicken. In fact the meal was glorious and I lost weight overnight again. I lost more weight overnight than any day since I started the log.
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I am going to make Chicken Parmesan. I can have tomatoes on this diet so I am looking forward to it.
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