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Collagen drinks and collagen protein combine both and add collagen tabs, does wonders for recovery with glucosamine chondroitin and msm with fish oil.
Collagen drinks and collagen protein combine both and add collagen tabs, does wonders for recovery with glucosamine chondroitin and msm with fish oil.
Will give it a try. How about HGH? Would a 4 month cycle help?
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Collagen will help NPC is right.
HGH, well if you can do it, I suggest 2 IUs for 180days 5 days on 2 days off (6mo minimum for hgh).
You'll feel a huge difference with it.
I think I am going to try 2 iu a day for 3 months and if things are looking good maybe year round.
What’s the reasoning for 2 days off per week? Keeping insulin sensitivity in check?
My understanding is that it was a way to save money, and that it is kind of an anachronism at this point.
There is a lot of side effects with hGH that can be avoided with 5/2 regiment. You have to take time off with it.
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Some say that but that's not fact. if you used hgh long term you would know the side effects and how they go away if you do 5/2. Most long-term hgh users have this issue.
Ok that sounds like the plan I will go with. Will go 1 iu for the wife and 2 iu for myself 5 days per week. Will start when I start my 16 week joint/tendon repair cycle.
Roidrage69 whats happening with your LOG updates? I saw you regular before, now for days no updates.
no diet, no training, whats happening?
Went on a small vacation since Friday morning. Will post an update for today.
8/8/23
Weight Upon Rising 282
Weight after workout 281.5
Back/Bis #1
Hammer Strength 1 Arm Iso Row
235x5x2
235x10
Reverse Grip Chest Supported Low Row
235x10
220x11
220x10 dropset 115x12
Seated Shrugs
180x20
270x10x2
DB Rear Delts
22.5x20
25x15
Bicep Preacher Curl Machine
110x8
140x9
No Cardio at gym. Doing all my cardio in the bedroom from now on. Burned over 1000 calories in bed in the last 18 hours so no need for gym cardio.
Had some junk food this weekend on vacation with wife. Still ate well below maintenence every day. Should be back into ketosis tomorrow.
Meal of the day 20 hours fasting) Steak Sandwich with gluten free keto bread(almond flour)dipped in au jus, Flax Seed crackers, Spinach, Fairlife Protein Drink, 7000mg Omega3, handfull of daily vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
Weight Upon Rising 282
Weight after workout 281.5
Back/Bis #1
Hammer Strength 1 Arm Iso Row
235x5x2
235x10
Reverse Grip Chest Supported Low Row
235x10
220x11
220x10 dropset 115x12
Seated Shrugs
180x20
270x10x2
DB Rear Delts
22.5x20
25x15
Bicep Preacher Curl Machine
110x8
140x9
No Cardio at gym. Doing all my cardio in the bedroom from now on. Burned over 1000 calories in bed in the last 18 hours so no need for gym cardio.
Had some junk food this weekend on vacation with wife. Still ate well below maintenence every day. Should be back into ketosis tomorrow.
Meal of the day 20 hours fasting) Steak Sandwich with gluten free keto bread(almond flour)dipped in au jus, Flax Seed crackers, Spinach, Fairlife Protein Drink, 7000mg Omega3, handfull of daily vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
How has the Keto been treating you ?
1000 calories in bed? lol come on you know average sex is like 120 calories bro, so tell us how you did 1000 cal?
you did OMAD today right? well done
I love keto. Easiest way to eat low cals. I also have tons of energy to lift heavy.
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My wife just finished a 5 week cycle of 50mg week of test cyp and 50mg week of EQ. She is horny as fuck. 2 hour average sessions 3 times per day. I am not fucking around. I am spent. My Fitbit is showing 300 cals per session. I am dripping sweat each time.
next time try 48 hour fast. curious how you like it
Testosterone, Cialis, and a horny wife is a lethal combo.
bro roidrage a beast now
need some pics
need some pics
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Lots of lube and yes my hips are in pain. The Cialis and testosterone are keeping me alive. I am addicted to eating pussy.
You’re doing an awesome job fasting
8/10/23
Weight upon rising 279.5
Weight after workout 278.7
Pecs/Tris #1
Hammer Strength Decline Press
360x6x3
Closegrip Bench(havent benched in 3 years due to shoulder)
135x10
185x10
205x10
225x10
Cable Flys
30x20x3
Shoulderwidth Tricep Cable Pushdowns
100x10x2
15 min Treadmill 6.5 incline 3.0 speed
Meal of the day after 24 hours of fasting) Some type of Fillipino sausage. Had 6 links. Probably about 50 grams protein/30 grams carbs/50 grams fat, Small chicken caesar salad, Fairlife protein drink, 6 keto cookies, 5000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
Body is absolutely shot from all the sex. Strength is holding up in the gym. I love this 1 meal a day keto diet. It allows me to go extremely low cals. My daily cal burn is about 4000 calories and I'm eating about 1000-1200 cals each day. This is prbobaly the most anabolic diet ive ever done. My wife is doing the same thing with me. Her strength is just going insane at this point. Im having the time of my life.
Weight upon rising 279.5
Weight after workout 278.7
Pecs/Tris #1
Hammer Strength Decline Press
360x6x3
Closegrip Bench(havent benched in 3 years due to shoulder)
135x10
185x10
205x10
225x10
Cable Flys
30x20x3
Shoulderwidth Tricep Cable Pushdowns
100x10x2
15 min Treadmill 6.5 incline 3.0 speed
Meal of the day after 24 hours of fasting) Some type of Fillipino sausage. Had 6 links. Probably about 50 grams protein/30 grams carbs/50 grams fat, Small chicken caesar salad, Fairlife protein drink, 6 keto cookies, 5000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
Body is absolutely shot from all the sex. Strength is holding up in the gym. I love this 1 meal a day keto diet. It allows me to go extremely low cals. My daily cal burn is about 4000 calories and I'm eating about 1000-1200 cals each day. This is prbobaly the most anabolic diet ive ever done. My wife is doing the same thing with me. Her strength is just going insane at this point. Im having the time of my life.
Ok so I got me some Anavar/Winny tabs and TBol tabs from PSL. Do these need to be taken in a dosing schedule of 2x per day? Going to add them to my cycle and do each one for 1/2 of the cycle. Switching from one to the other durring. Going to be a 16 week cycle with Test Cyp and NPP. Any advice on dosing and timing?
Just make sure you are supplementing with NAC and TUDCA. Lot’s of ways to do it. I prefer to mix my own amounts, many prefer the N2BM mixes. But with orals make sure you have those two in there.
Do any of those orals have a time point in when they start becoming less effective? How many weeks would be that point? Would it be better to go 8 weeks of the Tbol and then switch to the anavar/winny? I am also trying to see if I can get this shoulder in better condition on this next cycle so using NPP for the duration of the 16 week cycle.
I don’t use orals. They don’t agree with my lipids. But there isn’t really any reason they should deteriorate in utility any more than anything else does. Since you are cutting, and not bulking, you aren’t really dealing with diminishing returns like you can find on a calorie surplus.
I see ok. Most likely going to run my cycle like this
Weeks 1-8
200mg Test Cyp
200mg NPP
20mg Tbol/day
25mg Proviron Day
Weeks 9-16
200mg Test Cyp
200mg NPP
20mg Winny Day
30mg Var Day
I might even throw in some 150mg EQ week not sure. I love how I feel on EQ.
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Wish I could edit. Forgot to put 25mg Proviron per day on the last 8 weeks.
8/11/23
Weight Upon Rising 279.6
Weight after workout 278.8
Legs #2
Leg Extensions
90x20
115x20
140x16
Leg Press
4 x Sets Warmups
630x15
720x15
810x8 Cut short didnt want to risk the knee.
Straight Leg Deadlifts with a 1 second pause not touching ground durring entire lift. I guess these are more like a Romanian Deadlift.
180x10
230x10x2
Seated Calf Raise
45x20
70x15
Seated Hamstring Curls
152x15
183x13
Ab crunches
1 Min Plank
10 Min Bike up to 155 HR at peak.
Tons of sex during the day for cardio needs.
Meal after 24 hours of fasting) Tri Tip with mixed veggies cooked as a stir fry with cottonseed oil, soy sauce, fresh garlic, 5000mg Omega3, various vits/minerals,herbs, digestives. About 800 cals for the day. Stomache is no longer feeling bloated anymore. I have tons of energy. Best ive felt in years. Have lost 15 lbs since starting this log exactly 1 month ago.
Weight Upon Rising 279.6
Weight after workout 278.8
Legs #2
Leg Extensions
90x20
115x20
140x16
Leg Press
4 x Sets Warmups
630x15
720x15
810x8 Cut short didnt want to risk the knee.
Straight Leg Deadlifts with a 1 second pause not touching ground durring entire lift. I guess these are more like a Romanian Deadlift.
180x10
230x10x2
Seated Calf Raise
45x20
70x15
Seated Hamstring Curls
152x15
183x13
Ab crunches
1 Min Plank
10 Min Bike up to 155 HR at peak.
Tons of sex during the day for cardio needs.
Meal after 24 hours of fasting) Tri Tip with mixed veggies cooked as a stir fry with cottonseed oil, soy sauce, fresh garlic, 5000mg Omega3, various vits/minerals,herbs, digestives. About 800 cals for the day. Stomache is no longer feeling bloated anymore. I have tons of energy. Best ive felt in years. Have lost 15 lbs since starting this log exactly 1 month ago.
8/12/23
Weight Upon Rising 279.8
Weight after cardio 280.5
21 hours of fasting for the day before eating. Went out to dinner with father so ate more today.
Meal 1) Chicken/Prawn Thai style stir fry,5000mg Omega3, digestives, minerals
Meal 2) 2/3 order of same thing above,8000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives
Finally felt good to eat more than 1000 cals in a day. Probably had about 1750 cals. Still way below maintenance. Going to most likely do #2 workouts for the remainder of the month before hitting a "real cycle including GH". Need to let my body heal from the abuse over the last month.
Weight Upon Rising 279.8
Weight after cardio 280.5
21 hours of fasting for the day before eating. Went out to dinner with father so ate more today.
Meal 1) Chicken/Prawn Thai style stir fry,5000mg Omega3, digestives, minerals
Meal 2) 2/3 order of same thing above,8000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives
Finally felt good to eat more than 1000 cals in a day. Probably had about 1750 cals. Still way below maintenance. Going to most likely do #2 workouts for the remainder of the month before hitting a "real cycle including GH". Need to let my body heal from the abuse over the last month.
8/13/23
Weight Upon Rising 281.7
Weight after cardio 279.6
Went 1hr 5min on treadmill. 5 min warmup followed by 55 min at 8.0 incline 3.0 speed and then 5 min warmdown. HR at 125-130.
Meal of the day 24 hours fasted) 1.75 lbs of beer boiled prawns dipped in grass fed garlic butter, half bag spinach, 5000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
Absolutely starving today. Feel really sore and beat up. I cant wait for my cycle to start in two weeks.
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Made a typo. 1.25 lbs of prawns.
Weight Upon Rising 281.7
Weight after cardio 279.6
Went 1hr 5min on treadmill. 5 min warmup followed by 55 min at 8.0 incline 3.0 speed and then 5 min warmdown. HR at 125-130.
Meal of the day 24 hours fasted) 1.75 lbs of beer boiled prawns dipped in grass fed garlic butter, half bag spinach, 5000mg Omega3, vits/minerals/herbs/digestives.
Absolutely starving today. Feel really sore and beat up. I cant wait for my cycle to start in two weeks.
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Made a typo. 1.25 lbs of prawns.
try to not use seed oils if you can, cottonseed oil not a good idea, get some coconut oil or if you don't like that, extra virgin cold pressed olive oil and GHEE that will work too
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did you add psyllium husk daily? dont see it
and 21 hours fasting is perfect for you, you have a very good mindset going into this.
i haven't had seafood in a couple months. just too damn hot for fishing for me. gotta wait till october
We keep forgetting to take our psyllium husk. Usually take it everday except the last week has been hectic. We got lots of fiber yesterday with the veggies.
will be interesting to see what happens with the cycle
Me too. It will be light compared to my past. I really want to add EQ to the mix because I love the stuff. Makes my pumps sick and staying power. I also have masteron but have never used it so will most likely wait until I get down to about 225 lbs first. I also dont want to have to use any AI on this cycle so I need to keep dosages low.
bro on tanker we catch shrimp too
make sure you hit the cardio during the fast
Everything is done while fasting. I train everyday around 12 pm and eat OMAD at 8 pm.
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The only thing keeping me going right now is the THC and Cialis.
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maybe not brothers lets wait for roidrage
Ive lost 15 lbs in the last month.
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I gained alot of lean bodymass in the last 10 weeks. For the last 20 years my wife and I have basically been out of the gym. Muscle memory is happening as well as first steroid use in over 20 years. Used to do big cycles.
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Ive been 110% upfront on my training, eating, and bedroom cardio
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I also haven't pooped today. I had diarrhea bad after yesterdays meals. I go extra spicy on my thai.
Another thing that has changed is that during the last 3 weeks very little cardio inside the gym has taken place. That changed yesterday when the wife went back to work. I now do cardio on non lifting days again. My cardio game is actually going up again so I expect to be close to 270 by months end. I am thinking 272 is in reach by eom.
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I am committed to get down to under 240 by years end. I actually need to get to 220 as I refuse to do a bulking cycle until I am actually lean.
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I am committed to get down to under 240 by years end. I actually need to get to 220 as I refuse to do a bulking cycle until I am actually lean.
I have all my pills etc laid out from the day before. It's one of the first things I do when I get to my office (in my home) with my breakfast
15lbs lost that's impressive, now I'm looking back in your log and your original posts yes you clearly on your way.
I think you can drop to 220lbs easy.
The pills are all taken with my OMAD. The problem I have is figuring out when to take the fiber so it doesn’t soak up the pills. Since I’m on a fast for about 23.5 hours each day I can’t take the fiber with my pills and I don’t want to screw up the benefits of the fast. I need to most likely take the fiber wjjen I go to bed 2 hours after eating.
Gotta love muscle memory!
8/14/23
Weight Upon Rising 280
Weight after workout 277.5
Back #2
Warm Up Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
85x15
100x15
115x15
130x15
Seated Cable 1 Arm Low Rows
70x15x3
Standing Pull Overs on Double Pully
110x15x3
Seated Reverse Grip Low Row Machine
145x15x3
Seated Shrugs
90x20x2
180x15
DB Rear Delts
20x20
20x15
Ab Crunches
Plank
12 Minutes Bike HR 140
Currently doing some light lifting with 60 sec rest between sets. Giving the body a break from the grind.
Haven't eaten yet will add an update later tonight. Will be another 24 hour fast day with OMAD. Hoping to be able to get 1200 calories down in the meal.
Get my cortisone shot on Thursday and my bloodwork on Friday. Yay!!!!
Weight Upon Rising 280
Weight after workout 277.5
Back #2
Warm Up Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns
85x15
100x15
115x15
130x15
Seated Cable 1 Arm Low Rows
70x15x3
Standing Pull Overs on Double Pully
110x15x3
Seated Reverse Grip Low Row Machine
145x15x3
Seated Shrugs
90x20x2
180x15
DB Rear Delts
20x20
20x15
Ab Crunches
Plank
12 Minutes Bike HR 140
Currently doing some light lifting with 60 sec rest between sets. Giving the body a break from the grind.
Haven't eaten yet will add an update later tonight. Will be another 24 hour fast day with OMAD. Hoping to be able to get 1200 calories down in the meal.
Get my cortisone shot on Thursday and my bloodwork on Friday. Yay!!!!
You outweigh me by 71lbs lol beast mode engaged
You’re killing it big guy
Well I could not eat as much as I wanted.
2 lamb chops, 2 eggs, 1/3 cucumber, half a protein shake, slice of cheddar, 12,000mg Omega3, vitamin’s/mineral’s/herbs/digestive.
2 lamb chops, 2 eggs, 1/3 cucumber, half a protein shake, slice of cheddar, 12,000mg Omega3, vitamin’s/mineral’s/herbs/digestive.
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this is your meal for the previous post right? around 24 hour fast I see.
OMAD btw has to be done only 3 days per week. You need to have at least 4 hour feeding window 2 days per week to shock metabolic rate more.
Oh ok I wasnt aware of that. I guess I will eat for a few hours tonight then. Good I am hungry and have some keto friendly deserts I want to eat.
8/15/23
Weight Upon Rising 276.5
Weight after Workout 277.0
Pecs/Tris #2
Close Grip Bench
135x10
185x10
205x11x2
205x10
Seated Dip Machine
195x20x2
195x17
Cable Flys
30x20x2
30x15
Tricep Rope Pushdowns
50x15
50x12
50x12 dropset 30x12
Machine Tricep Extension
140x12
125x12
Treadmill 35 minutes Incline 10.0 Speed 3.0 HR 140-150
Meal 1) 7PM. 3 Lamb lefover lamb chops, beef stirfry with low carb veggies, 1 low carb keto tortilla chips, 1 Atkins Chocolate Coconut Bar,10000mg Omega3,vitamins,minerals,digestives,probiotics
Meal 2) 9:30PM. 1 Fage 5% yogurt, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, Leftover Chicken/Prawn Thai Stirfry no rice, 1 Mini Quest protein bar, 7000mg Omega3,digestives,aspirin,zinc,vit c.
Feel so frigging sore. Lost 3 lbs overnight. Stomache is shrinking incredibly fast at this point. 2 weeks to lose 7 lbs to meet my 270lb goal by end of August. Looks extremely attainable at this point.
Today was a massive calorie burn day. 4105 cals burned with 2.5 hours left in day. I have switched over to a short rest period for all sets. The time it takes my wife to finish set I am on it. About 1 min rest per set except for close grip. Also busted ass on treadmill today. Will be doing treadmill from now on at a 10 incline.
Hoping my shoulder injection helps in a couple days. Will be babying my upper body for a few weeks to let it heal.
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Its a hellava drug!!! Im shocked how fast its coming back considering my 2500-3000 daily calorie deficit.
Weight Upon Rising 276.5
Weight after Workout 277.0
Pecs/Tris #2
Close Grip Bench
135x10
185x10
205x11x2
205x10
Seated Dip Machine
195x20x2
195x17
Cable Flys
30x20x2
30x15
Tricep Rope Pushdowns
50x15
50x12
50x12 dropset 30x12
Machine Tricep Extension
140x12
125x12
Treadmill 35 minutes Incline 10.0 Speed 3.0 HR 140-150
Meal 1) 7PM. 3 Lamb lefover lamb chops, beef stirfry with low carb veggies, 1 low carb keto tortilla chips, 1 Atkins Chocolate Coconut Bar,10000mg Omega3,vitamins,minerals,digestives,probiotics
Meal 2) 9:30PM. 1 Fage 5% yogurt, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, Leftover Chicken/Prawn Thai Stirfry no rice, 1 Mini Quest protein bar, 7000mg Omega3,digestives,aspirin,zinc,vit c.
Feel so frigging sore. Lost 3 lbs overnight. Stomache is shrinking incredibly fast at this point. 2 weeks to lose 7 lbs to meet my 270lb goal by end of August. Looks extremely attainable at this point.
Today was a massive calorie burn day. 4105 cals burned with 2.5 hours left in day. I have switched over to a short rest period for all sets. The time it takes my wife to finish set I am on it. About 1 min rest per set except for close grip. Also busted ass on treadmill today. Will be doing treadmill from now on at a 10 incline.
Hoping my shoulder injection helps in a couple days. Will be babying my upper body for a few weeks to let it heal.
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Its a hellava drug!!! Im shocked how fast its coming back considering my 2500-3000 daily calorie deficit.
This doesn't mean deserts, even keto. Try to stick to whole foods if you can.
Here is the layout.
Monday - OMAD
Tuesday - OMAD
Wed - 4 hour feeding window
Thur - OMAD
Fri - 6 hour feeding window
Sat - 8 hour feeding window
Sun - OMAD
you are making fast progress because you are listening
bro let see update pics, i bet yo even sexier.
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I could never understand why people believe that.
8/16/23
Weight Upon Rising 277.8
Weight after cardio 278.4
Treadmill 1 hr 5 minutes. 10 min warmup then 30 at 10.0 incline/ 3.0 speed followed by 20 minutes of 2.5 minute intervals at level 10-12. Went handless on the 12 levels for 2.5 minutes then holding on handles for 2.5 minutes at 10.0 incline. HR durring the 12.0 incline went up to 150. Was concentrating on breathing to make it easier. It was a challenge.
Fasted for 16 hours before first meal of the day.
Meal 1) 2.5 oz Quacamole, 1.2 oz bag of oberto beef jerky, big handfull of smokehouse almonds, 1.1 oz bag of Quest Protein Tortilla Chips, 1.5 oz package of Belgoioiso Provolone Cheese and Genoa Salame Snacking Rolls, 3/4 oz Beechers Flagship Cheese stick, 1 Atkins Endulge Chocolate Coconut Bar(these are absolutely fricking amazing), Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega3, digestive enzymes.
Meal 2) Half can spam cooked in peas, riced cauliflower, soy sauce, avacodo oil, 5000mg Omega3, Fairlife protein drink, vitamins, minerals, herbs, digestives, probiotics.
Weight Upon Rising 277.8
Weight after cardio 278.4
Treadmill 1 hr 5 minutes. 10 min warmup then 30 at 10.0 incline/ 3.0 speed followed by 20 minutes of 2.5 minute intervals at level 10-12. Went handless on the 12 levels for 2.5 minutes then holding on handles for 2.5 minutes at 10.0 incline. HR durring the 12.0 incline went up to 150. Was concentrating on breathing to make it easier. It was a challenge.
Fasted for 16 hours before first meal of the day.
Meal 1) 2.5 oz Quacamole, 1.2 oz bag of oberto beef jerky, big handfull of smokehouse almonds, 1.1 oz bag of Quest Protein Tortilla Chips, 1.5 oz package of Belgoioiso Provolone Cheese and Genoa Salame Snacking Rolls, 3/4 oz Beechers Flagship Cheese stick, 1 Atkins Endulge Chocolate Coconut Bar(these are absolutely fricking amazing), Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega3, digestive enzymes.
Meal 2) Half can spam cooked in peas, riced cauliflower, soy sauce, avacodo oil, 5000mg Omega3, Fairlife protein drink, vitamins, minerals, herbs, digestives, probiotics.
this is a very interesting topic in it self...with the right foods I think its possible
My opinion is that it is mostly impossible. There are certain times where you can, like if you have never worked out before or are regaining lost muscle, or if you are obese enough that you have an almost limitless supply of energy to provide your system. Still, even in those cases it is very unlikely to be as efficient as splitting the process into parts. The main problem is that the mechanisms and pathways in the body to deal with a deficit and to build muscle are not only different, but are antagonistic, so it is extremely self limiting.
And quite honestly, without Dexa scans, it’s nearly impossible to know, over anything but a significant period of time, what changes in body composition have come about. And even with, the margin for error on Dexa is not good enough to pick up small movements.
Bottom line is that the human body follows all laws of science, including those about conservation of mass and energy, and torque vs weight etc. Any time we assume that a body can do something outside of those rules, we are probably wrong, or just are mistaken in our assumptions.
And quite honestly, without Dexa scans, it’s nearly impossible to know, over anything but a significant period of time, what changes in body composition have come about. And even with, the margin for error on Dexa is not good enough to pick up small movements.
Bottom line is that the human body follows all laws of science, including those about conservation of mass and energy, and torque vs weight etc. Any time we assume that a body can do something outside of those rules, we are probably wrong, or just are mistaken in our assumptions.
Muscle memory is real. I have been mostly out of the gym since 2003 and steroid use since then as well. So in a sense my body is acting like a first time lifter and user. I can pretty much use any anabolic and grow right now. Heck just 200mg of Test Cyp is giving me insane pumps. Even my quads are starting to get thicker. Ive put on 1/2 inch on my arms in the last month while losing 15 lbs. My cal deficit is 2500-3000 per day.
As you know, I am super supportive of your progress, and really happy for both you and your wife. I just have a different opinion of what is likely possible. If we were in front of each other each day, I might change my mind.
Ive never gone more than 6 months of training in the gym my entire life. Every single year ive trained I had to stop lifting to go back to work in Alaska on a fishing boat. Everything I gained each year for 6 months went away. Ive also gone 3 years at a time from 2003 til now without touching a weight. You cant treat my progress like a seasoned boydbuilder who most likely is near their peak or all time best. I am at my worst right now compared to when I was in my 20's-30's. I expect to be at my best in the next 12 months. I havent even started a cycle yet. 200mg Test Cyp is nothing.
look at pro sports. NHL players drink beer and party all offseason (many Russian NHL players do atleast) and then show up to camp in shit shape and a few weeks later are skating 20mph or however fast they skate. look at what Nikita Kucherov did. he was on LTIR all year out with a hip injury and surgery, shows up in the playoffs. first game has like 4 points lol. boggles the mind how it can be possible. the guy has been playing hockey since he was in diapers. its body memory, its muscle memory
now take an average joe with weight training. if you put in the hours in the gym when you are younger, then quit on the gym for many years. then show back up again it is going to be way easier to gain back that muscle then someone who never worked out before. we have all done stuff as adults that we haven't done in years. riding a bicycle, roller blading, golf, even driving (those that move to a city like NYC for example).. you don't just forget how to do it, it comes back to you
body memory is absolutely a real phenomenon.
OK, but there is a difference between putting on 20 lbs without losing muscle mass and dropping it quickly, when you are a world class athlete and, as you say, have skills ingrained from childhood, and making the assumption that it is possible that you can gain significant muscle at a 2000 calorie daily deficit when you haven’t been in the gym regularly in twenty years.
As I said, yes, it is possible to gain muscle and lose fat, but it requires certain conditions to be in play, and it is highly unlikely that it is going to happen to a meaningful degree at a massive calorie deficit, unlikely to happen on keto vs other forms of diets more conducive to muscle gain etc.
I don’t doubt that he is getting great results, and he is getting way healthier. So that’s all awesome, but huge muscle gain and fat loss in this environment is something I’d have to see tested or view myself to believe. Just to be clear, I do not think anybody is lying, I think these things are hard to judge.
I would love to see something like this tested very in depth. Would be awesome to see the results. I think there are very different things between someone coming back to the gym after 20 years off and building muscle in a deficit vs someone who has been training consistently for those same 20 years trying to do the same thing.
Yes, I agree. And there is likely a big difference between those two groups, which allows those coming back to have some possibility of muscle gain and fat loss simultaneously. The issue, though, is that weight loss, keto and fasting all activate pathways in the body, mostly AMPK, that not only assist with fat mobilization and loss, but also actively disable mTor, which is a major pathway for muscle gain. So it isn’t just a calorie balance issue, it is like trying to light a fire in the shower.
That said, for longevity purposes, weight loss, fasting and keto are great because they mimic scarcity conditions, which literally toughens the body and prepares it to maintain its health. That is why a drug like rapamycin has become so popular for actual anti aging, because it activates these same pathways and blocks mTor. MTor is literally “mammalian target of rapamycin” and it is great for growth, but problematic for longevity.
We see it all the time with transformations
People eat shit for a month. Get out of shape. Gain lots of fat and look like shit.
Then they jump back on and eat clean. Hop on gear and they transform back to how they were and even better
We had a contest on elite years ago. People did that and the transformations were amazing. Look up elite fitness Peter lumberjack. Look at his before and after pics
I feel like we are arguing at cross purposes. You keep giving examples of short term fat gain and people getting back in shape. Muscle atrophy doesn’t really happen over two months, and certainly not at the above maintenance calories it takes to put on a lot of fat mass. I do not doubt for one second that these people can get back into shape quickly. Hell, they probably don’t need gear to do it at that point.
What I am saying is that you aren’t likely to see significant muscle gains when in a severely calorie restricted state. Bodies aren’t made to work that way. It may be possible in limited amounts in certain circumstances, but all of our systems are built not to do that.
So I agree with every one of your examples. Hell, look at 25homes. He is completely transformed in short time, but the difference is that he was working one pathway, that is he was always gaining weight and muscle. That is possible because he utilized all of the tools — muscle memory, v. high doses of AAS, growth hormone, proper workouts, high food intakes. That’s why it makes sense.
Anyone ever strain their Vastus Lateralis? No bruising, but its sore about 3 inches in length 3 inches above kneecap. I think it has happend due to my 10-12 incline on treadmill. Its not that sore, just looks much bigger. Wish my other quad looked the same.
no arguing from me. that is correct BUT it also completely depends on where you have come from
read the studies out of europe that have been coming out which show what you did from 20 years old to 40 will dictate your health and physique for the rest of your life.
i tell clients who come to me this all the time. if you spent those 20 years smoking, drinking, and eating shit then expect a miserable and unhealthy life in your 50's and 60's. if you you are like roidrage though and spent those years on a fishing boat busting your ass (fishing is a tough ass profession) then you can absolutely transform yourself very easily in yoru 50's and 60's.
give me someone at 55 who spent 20 years in the gym putting in the hours who is in awful shape over someone who is 45 who spent their 20's and 30's eating mcdonalds everyday and never lifting who is in much better shape. i can turn that 55 year old into a bodybuilder MUCH easier then the 45 year old even with a 10 year disadvantage
Some good points i agree steve. And to your point I think gaining mass on a caloric restriction is 100% possible, I've had clients do it albeit with a bit of help.
Where you stand is likely your launch off point. Especially, in the case of roidrage69 he's a big man, lots of bulk he can drop and get to super lean level. I bet looking at his frame he can even compete in bodybuilding easy, he just needs to stay with fasting for a longer time.
8/17/23
Weight Upon Rising 278.1
Had my cortisone shot in my shoulder today so no gym. Also increasing feeding windows the last few days trying to compensate for injuries and stop body from shutting down. Will be changing my whole OMAD to non lifting days only and eating 4-6 hour windows on lifting days. Hoping to get my calories up to 2000 on Back and Leg Day. This should help heal my quad as well. This will still keep me in a massive cal defecit of 2000 cals on lifting days and close to 3000 on hard cardio days.
Meal 1) Can of smoked oysters, 1 Atkins Keto Chips, handful of smokehouse almonds, 2 slices cheddar cheese, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 7000mg Omega3, digestives, spore based probiotic, prebiotic, vitc, b6, zinc, magnesium
Meal 2) 1 cup Catalina Crunch Cinnamon Toast Keto Cereal with Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega3, digestives
Meal 3) 1 open faced Tuna Melt made with 1/2 can albacore, 1 slice cheddar, avacodo mayo, slice of unbread, Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega 3, vits, minerals, digestives, aspirin.
Before bed 2 heaping teaspoons ground psillium husks.
Weight Upon Rising 278.1
Had my cortisone shot in my shoulder today so no gym. Also increasing feeding windows the last few days trying to compensate for injuries and stop body from shutting down. Will be changing my whole OMAD to non lifting days only and eating 4-6 hour windows on lifting days. Hoping to get my calories up to 2000 on Back and Leg Day. This should help heal my quad as well. This will still keep me in a massive cal defecit of 2000 cals on lifting days and close to 3000 on hard cardio days.
Meal 1) Can of smoked oysters, 1 Atkins Keto Chips, handful of smokehouse almonds, 2 slices cheddar cheese, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 7000mg Omega3, digestives, spore based probiotic, prebiotic, vitc, b6, zinc, magnesium
Meal 2) 1 cup Catalina Crunch Cinnamon Toast Keto Cereal with Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega3, digestives
Meal 3) 1 open faced Tuna Melt made with 1/2 can albacore, 1 slice cheddar, avacodo mayo, slice of unbread, Fairlife Protein Drink, 5000mg Omega 3, vits, minerals, digestives, aspirin.
Before bed 2 heaping teaspoons ground psillium husks.
It’s looking good man
Had my blood draw this morning. Going to start taking my Test Cyp spreadout into 3 doses per week to keep levels from going up and down too much. Also going to add 150mg EQ alongside the 200 Cyp. Might bump the cyp to 240mg. Will keep the EQ all the way through my cycle that I will be starting beginning of Sept.
i would lose more weight before ramping up the doses but that is my MO
HGH, NPP, and Tbol get added in on Sept 1st. I am losing a steady 1/2 per day.
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And 50mg proviron daily.
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