Just use injectables. No orals/SARMs/peptides.

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

 

[s.gentz]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

This is great but tren should really be on the toxic list as well. Causes serious cardiovascular issues especially with extended use. I would argue the sides from tren are worse than almost all the other drugs you list unless you are abusing them.
Creatine actually causes kidney issues in some people, me included. Even 5mg/day messes my kidneys up. Can't use it at all.
At the end of the day any of these drugs if not abused are not that terrible for most people. The prob is most people just blindly take stuff without knowing the risks or how to protect themselves.

 

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

This is great but tren should really be on the toxic list as well. Causes serious cardiovascular issues especially with extended use. I would argue the sides from tren are worse than almost all the other drugs you list unless you are abusing them.
Creatine actually causes kidney issues in some people, me included. Even 5mg/day messes my kidneys up. Can't use it at all.
At the end of the day any of these drugs if not abused are not that terrible for most people. The prob is most people just blindly take stuff without knowing the risks or how to protect themselves.

most peoples issues with tren are that they go too high with the dose. I mean its all risky at the end of the day tho lol.

 

[s.gentz]

most peoples issues with tren are that they go too high with the dose. I mean its all risky at the end of the day tho lol.

What people don't understand is that just because you don't feel the sides they are still there creating damage to the heart.
They think by taking cardarine they are mitigating cardio sides and while it may help you breathe better it does nothing to protect your heart. I know this from experience. Pretty low dose long term no good.

 

[LevButlerov]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

I get where you’re coming from, but that view misses context about research grade and dose control. Injectable AAS like test, tren, deca, and eq are no less toxic if abused, and in fact orals and SARMs are often used at lower mg loads or shorter durations to minimize hepatic stress when done correctly. So if you use orals with cycle support, you're actually in less stress.

Peptides like BPC-157, TB-500, and MOTS-C aren’t anabolic steroids and act via regenerative or mitochondrial pathways, not androgenic ones.
Long term data is limited, yes, but many have clinical and veterinary studies behind them showing low systemic toxicity.

It’s not the compound class, orals vs inj vs peps, that makes it risky, it’s the source quality, cycling, cycle support, and lack of bloodwork that determine outcome imo

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[stevesmi]

i've always said that technically anything above an actual trt dose which is 90-100mgs a week of test is considered abuse. let's be honest about that. a 10 or 12 week injectable only cycle will strain your organs even on 250mgs a week. .. raising RBC's and thickening your blood is awful on the heart, your liver and kidneys have to do more work to flush the foreign entity out. it also has excess effects on the brain and skin as well. also the rise in androgens and estrogen can fire up cancer cells in the body. so there are risks any way you slice it.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

Fair enough bro - did anything in particular inspire you to write this up?

 

[Allupfromhere]

It’s not the compound class, orals vs inj vs peps, that makes it risky, it’s the source quality, cycling, cycle support, and lack of bloodwork that determine outcome imo

Everything is toxic if it is being abused. Agree with @LevButlerov here completey,
The user has the biggest influence on how much toxicity influence a particular compound has in a given situation.
Being sensible with something like tren can limit its negative impact or thrashing 300mg of tbol daily isnt going to play nice like it would at perhaps 20-50mg daily

 

[2Thick]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

I think if you did a short oral cycle 4 or 5 weeks you'd be perfectly okay. Your liver is a very resilient thing.

 

[Ulter]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

I know people who have been using orals for 20 or 30 years. They just don't want to use injectables. They don't like needles.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

I think you should utilize everything at our disposal. Orals and injectables together work out really good.

 

[ceo]

Kind of an obvious statement but many need to hear it. If you cant achieve goals and make gains on drugs like injectable test, tren, deca, eq you should find something else to do. Oral steroids and SARMs are so toxic on the body. Just not worth it imo. Also peptides I'm a little against as well as most are so new to the market we really don't know the long term sides and risks associated with their use. HGH and insulin carry risks but at least theyve been around a long time. Creatine of course is fine as well. I just have experienced and read enough to know that the more powerful the drug and the faster/shorter acting the drug the more toxicity on the body and the more negative mental side effects as well. Not saying SARMs and orals don't work. Saying the risk to your health isn't worth it.

Bros is gonna be hard for me to get rid of orals. I really like so many of them.

 

[Mobster]

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[ballin2504]

This is great but tren should really be on the toxic list as well. Causes serious cardiovascular issues especially with extended use. I would argue the sides from tren are worse than almost all the other drugs you list unless you are abusing them.
Creatine actually causes kidney issues in some people, me included. Even 5mg/day messes my kidneys up. Can't use it at all.
At the end of the day any of these drugs if not abused are not that terrible for most people. The prob is most people just blindly take stuff without knowing the risks or how to protect themselves.

Very well put!