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7 weeks on today

got bloods last week . test went from 32 before cycle to 1106 now. @500mg per week(test e)

Just thought i would post it up

cheers BWL
 
Nice brother. Thanks for the heads up. I'm just waiting till after thanksgiving to start my test n dbol from bwl.
 
7 weeks on today

got bloods last week . test went from 32 before cycle to 1106 now. @500mg per week(test e)

Just thought i would post it up

cheers BWL

If you have a copy of the blood test please post


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1106? That doesn't seem right. Shudnt it be higher?

KRAZIEONE

OP what was ur total test in ng/dl?

This is a post I made else where..

I have a couple blood works I'd like to share for this thread.

Mike (Age 57): 150-200mg test-e weekly, bloods were right at 1,000 ng/dl (UGL) ----> Verified by Private MD

Mike (Age 57): 250-300 test-e weekly, bloods showed > then 1,500ng/dl (UGL) ----> Verified by Private MD

Close buddy (Age 21): 300-350mg test-c weekly, bloods were right at 2,3XX ng/dl (UGL) ----> verified by the Mayo Clinic

TheMyth89 (That's me, Age 25): 200-250mg test-e weekly, bloods were right at 1,4xx ng/dl (UGL, off brand, not my usual; number was still good but would be higher with my main source) ----> Verified by Private MD

Charlie (Age mid 30's): 200 test-c weekly, bloods were right at 1,1xx ng/dl (Watson) ----> Verified by his general MD

**Charlie said his Watson felt weaker then my main UGL I use, he was unimpressed by Watson**


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Thanks TM89
 
Depends on when his last pin was before bloods...lots of factors.

For reference these pins were shot thursday morning or late Wednesday then tested Monday morning first thing.


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Thanks TM89
 
sup Z bwl was recommended to me i'll hit u up in a few wks lookin to put in a large order of var maybe u can PM me if u get a chance enjoy your vacation and i'm glad to see good bloods but no surprise
 
For reference these pins were shot thursday morning or late Wednesday then tested Monday morning first thing.


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Thanks TM89

LOL bro I was asking about the OP and when he pinned his BWL gear and then had bloods. I appreciate your enthusiasm to promote your lab but this is not your thread.
 
That's y I wanna see a copy if possible.. But 32 prior is way low


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LOL bro I was asking about the OP and when he pinned his BWL gear and then had bloods. I appreciate your enthusiasm to promote your lab but this is not your thread.

Wasn't promoting, I posting bloods to show people UGL vs HG, IDK where the OP got 32 from and 1106 on 250 should be somewhat higher. I have no fight in this, BWL is a nice guy from what I know; just posting bloods I have so people can compare. I've never ran BWL, doesn't mean it isn't any good, in fact I know people who do and they like it. I do personally believe 1106 is low but I'm not judging and not hating on BWL or the OP.

That's all brother sorry for confusion.
 
Wasn't promoting, I posting bloods to show people UGL vs HG, IDK where the OP got 32 from and 1106 on 250 should be somewhat higher. I have no fight in this, BWL is a nice guy from what I know; just posting bloods I have so people can compare. I've never ran BWL, doesn't mean it isn't any good, in fact I know people who do and they like it. I do personally believe 1106 is low but I'm not judging and not hating on BWL or the OP.

That's all brother sorry for confusion.

You might as well be comparing apples to oranges trying to compare pharm and ugl. Saying watson felt "weak" is silly. Was it legit watson? Well then it wash't weak, it was right. His ugl was overdosed
 
You might as well be comparing apples to oranges trying to compare pharm and ugl. Saying watson felt "weak" is silly. Was it legit watson? Well then it wash't weak, it was right. His ugl was overdosed


I should add, if you personally have a baseline blood level on pharm test, and compare that to a ugl, that makes sense. You can kind of discern how well/bad it is from YOUR PERSONAL baseline. Trying to compare bloods from one guy on pharm to another on a ugl is ridiculous.
 
My only regret is never having run BWL. But to see my pals around here yeah the product is potent.
 
I'm all for people posting blood work helps us. And everyone else


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Question??? Was reading through. Would running a short ester like prop be more beneficial to someone who has an extremely low level. Just seems like that constant bump would help raise levels and keep them stable. Help out here guys!!! I have my notebook. Lol
 
Your test levels were 32 before pinning, holt shit that's low.

i am out of town, got call from my doctor reporting the tests. I will be available to pick up lab test December 15th.

The bloods were done at night 5pm.
not in morning, was urgent to talk my bloods

and yes it was fucked , 32 yes double digits before pinning.

Last pin was 1 day 1/2 before bloods.

I spread out my pins to 4 times a week. (i know not necessary but i like to keep extremely stable levels)


BTW guys i ran TBOL for 6 weeks. Obviously took the bloods about 4 days after i stopped TBOL
this may affect levels i do not know. Correct me if i am wrong
 
At same point 32 total test wonder if his body not responding to all of it


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BWL i know your shit is legit. but yeah it was 32 , no typo guys.

Obviously gaining an inch to my arms, i am responding very very well.
i am the biggest i have ever been in my whole life

this is the highest my test has ever been. How can i complain?
i get a boner from pictures woman send me, and cum myself without knowing.
i am responding very well, in and outside of the gym
 
i am out of town, got call from my doctor reporting the tests. I will be available to pick up lab test December 15th.

The bloods were done at night 5pm.
not in morning, was urgent to talk my bloods

and yes it was fucked , 32 yes double digits before pinning.

Last pin was 1 day 1/2 before bloods.

I spread out my pins to 4 times a week. (i know not necessary but i like to keep extremely stable levels)


BTW guys i ran TBOL for 6 weeks. Obviously took the bloods about 4 days after i stopped TBOL
this may affect levels i do not know. Correct me if i am wrong

You got bloods waaayyyy too soon bro.
 
Thanks. Just a thought. Which everyone responds different. A buddy on mine is running his sub-q. Said it's night and day for him.
 
You got bloods waaayyyy too soon bro.

i'm seven weeks into cycle as of yesterday. why would it be wrong to get a blood test too soon??? especially when i am happy as fuck my levels are as high as they ever have been.

that's why i created this thread, to practically thank BWL. Without him, and his gear i wouldn't be as happy as i am.
 
Well, I meant for a baseline before you started. Unless you DID wait several weeks and it still showed 32. I thought you said you just stopped var 4 days prior.
 
Well, I meant for a baseline before you started. Unless you DID wait several weeks and it still showed 32. I thought you said you just stopped var 4 days prior.

before cycle i got my bloods done(1 1/2 weeks before), they were 32.

Decided to hop on a test/tbol cycle asap. now practically 8 1/2 weeks since that last blood test. they came back at this astounding huber
yup stopped TBOL 4 days prior. obviously my liver functions were a little elevated, so tbol was still in my system. Don't know if this affects test levels.
 
But yeah, 32 to 1100's is a great gain.

thank you mattdogg that's what i need to hear man, really. i'm here freaking out from all the comments since i posted original. just came back home.

my life is the best it's ever been. ever. i'm definitely responding amazing to it!!
 
That's right bro. Thank the ones who help us out. That is a big change from 32 to over a 1000. I bet you feel a hell of a lot better. Rock it bro!!! I had a few questions while I was reading . Thanks for the thread!
 
thank you mattdogg that's what i need to hear man, really. i'm here freaking out from all the comments since i posted original. just came back home.

my life is the best it's ever been. ever. i'm definitely responding amazing to it!!

Nah bro, I wasn't hassling you. I was confused - I thought you had been on cycle and got bloods done to see end result after a few weeks, then jumped right on the test again. My bad. lol. Yeah, very good gains for 8 weeks man. Keep us posted, and stay well.
 
thank you mattdogg that's what i need to hear man, really. i'm here freaking out from all the comments since i posted original. just came back home.

my life is the best it's ever been. ever. i'm definitely responding amazing to it!!
No need to be freaked out. We were just being thurough and asking the right questions. If you are feeling great that's all that matters.

KRAZIEONE
 
Nah bro, I wasn't hassling you. I was confused - I thought you had been on cycle and got bloods done to see end result after a few weeks, then jumped right on the test again. My bad. lol. Yeah, very good gains for 8 weeks man. Keep us posted, and stay well.

thanks guys, i really do appreciate the kind words

sometimes i think my estrogen is out of whack even though i take 6mg aromasin everyday though. sometimes an emotional roller coaster for an hour or two a day haha. maybe lack of sleep too . not sure if this is entirely normal haha , or maybe just need to fuck something every couple of hours haha!!!


Yup can't stop eating, every 2 hours eating mad food. quality all day. and it's showing in the gym, every bit!
 
This isnt aimed at bwl but at ugls in general.
People need to assume their raws at are 75-80% purity and adjust the amount of powder used to compensate for these poor purity chinese raws.
 
Those levels are poverty for 500mg of testosterone a week, period.

i keep on ignoring these comments, because the gear is responding to me extremely well.
why do you keep posting? no idea.


why do i want more testosterone in my body if i am gaining like crazy? you got me buddy.
So, conclusion, BWL's gear for me is legit . lol! can't suffice for you? i'm sorry =)
 
i keep on ignoring these comments, because the gear is responding to me extremely well.
why do you keep posting? no idea.


why do i want more testosterone in my body if i am gaining like crazy? you got me buddy.
So, conclusion, BWL's gear for me is legit . lol! can't suffice for you? i'm sorry =)
Thats great and all but if youre really pinning 500mg a week and those are really your test results, fist yourself for the comment bolded above.
If I owned a gas station and i sell you gasoline that is 25-30% filler and youre getting 15mpg when you should be getting 25mpg you'd be ok with that?
After all you're still getting to where you need to go.
Please pm me, i own a car wash.
You pay full price and my worker washes half of your car, maybe whipes down three of your tires.
 
"why do i want more testosterone in my body if i am gaining like crazy? you got me buddy."

Was not bolded.
 
Based on the results of the study I posted awhile back (that I doubt anyone bothered to even look at), I would expect someone taking 500mg/wk of testosterone to have a total test level around 1,700-1,900ng/dl.... but the average baseline was slightly over 600ng/dl. Maybe I am over simplifying but if the OP's baseline was 32, than I would expect the total test level to be more like 1,100-1,300ng/dl.
 
This isnt aimed at bwl but at ugls in general.
People need to assume their raws at are 75-80% purity and adjust the amount of powder used to compensate for these poor purity chinese raws.

I'll agree it seems low to me as well

Trust me I make up for that difference.
Also look at the underlining fact.

Normal range is 340-350 test his base was 37

That's 80%+ lower then normal

So if you take and average of what you would assume it to be and mark the same percentage it's still a little lower but right inline

I'm wanting to see the paper work when it come available to see all the numbers

I'm glad he is gaining and is happy and maybe it is purely off are test and his body isn't making any


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Based on the results of the study I posted awhile back (that I doubt anyone bothered to even look at), I would expect someone taking 500mg/wk of testosterone to have a total test level around 1,700-1,900ng/dl.... but the average baseline was slightly over 600ng/dl. Maybe I am over simplifying but if the OP's baseline was 32, than I would expect the total test level to be more like 1,100-1,300ng/dl.

Not true bro I read it 😉 it was a good read


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That's the point most people are missing, is that he started at 32 or so. Had his level been 300-500, it may show 1800-2000, or around there. It probably will in a few more weeks, or even higher.
 
Quality response from Zblak.
I was more so making a blanket statement, i applaud you for the simple reason you do infact over compensate for purity issues as i know not a lot of labs do. It shows integrity and that you have a sense of pride about your products.
All of this aside.
Regardless of his base level of 32.
I AM COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.
i never come off lol. With that being said 250 puts me in the 1000-1250 range. With that being said 500mg ALWAYS puts me at 2000 or better.
So on and so forth. If i use a gram a week im in the 5k range.
I dont produce any natural testosterone anymore lol.
Again, this is ME.
But if i injected 500mg for a few weeks id be pretty sour that my levels were what i usually get from a 200-250mg dosage.
 
Quality response from Zblak.
I was more so making a blanket statement, i applaud you for the simple reason you do infact over compensate for purity issues as i know not a lot of labs do. It shows integrity and that you have a sense of pride about your products.
All of this aside.
Regardless of his base level of 32.
I AM COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.
i never come off lol. With that being said 250 puts me in the 1000-1250 range. With that being said 500mg ALWAYS puts me at 2000 or better.
So on and so forth. If i use a gram a week im in the 5k range.
I dont produce any natural testosterone anymore lol.
Again, this is ME.
But if i injected 500mg for a few weeks id be pretty sour that my levels were what i usually get from a 200-250mg dosage.

This is very true. Once you start injecting testosterone and your levels go beyond what your body naturally wants, it shuts down its own production. So where an individual starts from is only a factor in total T levels for a short amount of time (remember, natural testosterone doesn't last as long as the injections we do like Test E or C).

I have several things to bring up. One study has shown that the more fat an individual is, the less effective Testosterone is for them. This DOES NOT mean you have to be super fucking lean to get any results. It rather means that your blood T levels will be lower. Scientists currently don't understand why, but I definitely believe it has something to do with more AR receptors in fat. But this is purely speculation.

Letsgosarms, I have a quick question. I normally wouldn't ask this, but I believe I have seen you post about using SARMS and what not. And your name has "SARMS" in it. Your Testosterone was 32 starting? I have to seriously wonder if your SARMS usage had anything to do with it. Have you ran any sort of prohormones or anabolics (orals or anything) a bit before you found your T was 32? If not and SARMS were the only thing, I can't help but be a little curious. Obviously there's nothing scientific that I can use to justify this curiosity, I'm just wondering if there is any sort of correlation if you haven't done anything that should bring it that low. if I'm not mistaken, even a 70 year old man generally has more than 32.
 
Whoops, forgot to ask in my previous post. What is your body fat %? Is it really high? Because if so, this could help explain a few things. If not though, then my curiosity remains about that last paragraph I wrote. Again, only speculation that it could have any sort of impact, but I'm curious about it.
 
I've ran cycles starting at 20% bf and higher on many occasions. The first few weeks always sheds a bit of fat for me then most gains come from around mid to late cycle. So I can understand why fat can "rob" you of putting on muscle when much of its concentration is being of a carcinogenic effect. Think it's possible that some of the pro-hormones would act in the same manner? As being picked up and held by fat cells?
 
I've ran cycles starting at 20% bf and higher on many occasions. The first few weeks always sheds a bit of fat for me then most gains come from around mid to late cycle. So I can understand why fat can "rob" you of putting on muscle when much of its concentration is being of a carcinogenic effect. Think it's possible that some of the pro-hormones would act in the same manner? As being picked up and held by fat cells?

I'd need to re-read the article, but I believe it holds true for anything that works with the AR's in our body. And yes, there's a reason fat cells have AR's :).
 
I cant rap my head around this thread?? Not trying to bash you letsgo but how about some more of the story. You speak of your tests being run by a Doctor, no responsible doctor would let you out of the door with test @ 32. something is seriously wrong and I would expect a panel of test to be run. even for your own self you should have had test run to figure out problems and even easily got prescribed test from the doctor. self administering at that point is reckless and even In MHO i cannot see 500ml weekly, every 4 days, resulting in 1100.
I would personally do youself a favor and drop the gear and seek help from a good Endocrinologist. If there are points to story to help fill in gaps please let us know.
 
Regardless of his base level of 32.
I AM COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN.
i never come off lol. With that being said 250 puts me in the 1000-1250 range. With that being said 500mg ALWAYS puts me at 2000 or better.
So on and so forth. If i use a gram a week im in the 5k range.
I dont produce any natural testosterone anymore lol.
Again, this is ME.
But if i injected 500mg for a few weeks id be pretty sour that my levels were what i usually get from a 200-250mg dosage.

You are totally missing the point. YES, you are shutdown.... So am I. Been on TRT for years. I assume you blast and cruise like me. Because you continually inject test into your body whatever your test level is at the end of a cruise, before starting a blast 'IS' your baseline. Does that make sense?
 
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I have never injected anything into my body before this cycle..

Never filled recovered from oral cycles before, i just believe, no clue. I am also an avid LGD user up until i got that blood test at 32, note i was taking oxandrovar/lgd combo.

OOPS

~~i forgot before starting the test i did clomid for about a week. then stopped . so maybe this skewed the results of my most recent blood test.
obviously after every oral cycle i ran in the past 2 1/2 years i ran ostarine in the PCT.
~~also ran AP's test E for the first 2 1/2-3 weeks, if that makes a difference. could be bunk, who knows.
~~started BWL's shortly after.
~~didn't notice anything "kick in sexually(libido, wet dreams, pants wet, etc)" until the 6th week, which was a week 1/2 ago or so, obviously i'm doing some serious damage in the gym so nothing to edit about that.


but yeah, having test at 32, was the worst i've ever felt my whole life, worse than any drug withdrawal or alcohol.
I'm young guys only 25.

i'm 219 10% BF . 5'11 . not a small guy by any means, but not humongous.
 
Based on the results of the study I posted awhile back (that I doubt anyone bothered to even look at), I would expect someone taking 500mg/wk of testosterone to have a total test level around 1,700-1,900ng/dl.... but the average baseline was slightly over 600ng/dl. Maybe I am over simplifying but if the OP's baseline was 32, than I would expect the total test level to be more like 1,100-1,300ng/dl.


thank you for clarifying this jersey. i appreciate it =)
 
2 per day. for 3 1/2 weeks. combined with LGD. after my liver started to hurt, stopped gear, and got my natty test levels checked.
worst i ever felt in my life, never again.

That stuff is very strong. I felt like a zombie after 5 weeks. If I ever take it agin I would back down to one cap a day.
 
That stuff is very strong. I felt like a zombie after 5 weeks. If I ever take it agin I would back down to one cap a day.

that aint right bro. That saddens me to even hear that..

i won't be messing around with that anymore, i had it in my suitcase here thinking of taking it. Now i won't be.

should have brought that npp


and thank you BWL again, most outstanding lab i have ordered from

cheers
 
I'm getting my bloods tomorrow, so I will def post them on Wednesday or thursday

Please do

Also give your stats and what your baseline was and what your dose is


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it definitely should be higher according to the dosage he is taking, so it seems the test is underdosed, but I'm getting bloods done tomorrow and I will update the thread most likely by Thursday with the results
 
This is very true. Once you start injecting testosterone and your levels go beyond what your body naturally wants, it shuts down its own production.

This is not entirely true. Once you start injecting ANY amount of testosterone into your body, it will disrupt HPTA and you will be shut down. This is also true with other compounds, Deca, Tren, on and on. This is why most recommend at least a TRT dose of Test with other compounds, because you'll be shut down.
 
This is not entirely true. Once you start injecting ANY amount of testosterone into your body, it will disrupt HPTA and you will be shut down. This is also true with other compounds, Deca, Tren, on and on. This is why most recommend at least a TRT dose of Test with other compounds, because you'll be shut down.

Perhaps I shouldn't post when I've been awake so long without sleep. Let me ask you this, do you understand how this process occurs exactly?

And yes, I've heard of people using Deca and such substances to mess up their T levels before they go in to get a blood test for a TRT doc lol. Not sure why you're trying to explain this to me.
 
He means should be more like 3000.

^^^^Exactly.. Either OP is only injecting half of what he says he is OR the product is WAY underdosed.. I'm not sure if his levels should be quite 3000 but I would estimate in the mid 2000's easy. Depends how long he was on cycle before testing, but a total testosterone level of 1000 is a TRT dose of 200mg per week.
 
Well we all know its not under dosed. Something was wrong w the test. Or he did the one that caps at 1500. Something is off though. Because I have bwl gear a few times. Its legit!

KRAZIEONE
 
Either way I'm waiting for more bloods by the op and other people aswell if they all come back low I will put my raw as the cause as not knowing the exact purity I account for it at 80% and adjust according this was also a large test order of 1000k so it simply good have been less pure idk tell I see more test


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Either way I'm waiting for more bloods by the op and other people aswell if they all come back low I will put my raw as the cause as not knowing the exact purity I account for it at 80% and adjust according this was also a large test order of 1000k so it simply good have been less pure idk tell I see more test


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Same powder that I got samples of?

KRAZIEONE
 
You are totally missing the point. YES, you are shutdown.... So am I. Been on TRT for years. I assume you blast and cruise like me. Because you continually inject test into your body whatever your test level is at the end of a cruise, before starting a blast 'IS' your baseline. Does that make sense?

This is a good point. I'm on TRT myself. The cycle I did over the summer was 250mg E3D and had blood drawn after 6 weeks and about 3 days after last pin. My total T was almost 2900.. but I know I had a strong baseline going in. I wonder how the baseline effects total T 6-7 weeks in? Supposedly the ester is in full swing by then so "i would think" the baseline would be too much of a factor but then again????
 
This is a good point. I'm on TRT myself. The cycle I did over the summer was 250mg E3D and had blood drawn after 6 weeks and about 3 days after last pin. My total T was almost 2900.. but I know I had a strong baseline going in. I wonder how the baseline effects total T 6-7 weeks in? Supposedly the ester is in full swing by then so "i would think" the baseline would be too much of a factor but then again????

2900? wow.

well I'm getting bloods done again when i go home
 
2nd blood results just in


All bwl's gear test e. week 10

still not at your 2900

but it's up there. i'm responding obviously.
 

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2nd blood results just in


All bwl's gear test e. week 10

still not at your 2900

but it's up there. i'm responding obviously.

Still the 500mg a week did you up the dose to 1.75cc like I said


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I've upped mine to 4 cc/week for last 4 weeks. So this would equate to approximately 750mg as opposed to the actual 1000mg?
 
Hey man I already said if you email me I'll send out new product. Or you can wait for new test e I'll do what I can for everyone


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Dude, I didn't mean it like that. It was a serious question. I'm not going to ask you to replace 4 jugs of test bro. I just want to know the round-about purity. Is it around 75%? 50%? Just want to adjust my dose accordingly man.
 
Dude, I didn't mean it like that. It was a serious question. I'm not going to ask you to replace 4 jugs of test bro. I just want to know the round-about purity. Is it around 75%? 50%? Just want to adjust my dose accordingly man.
I was doing 1 cc 2 times a week. I just up the dose to 1.5 cc now.
 
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