Test E and Tren Ace Cycle questions

[Evilbeaver]

Hello Evo Community,

So here is my plan, feel free to constructively critique and share insight.

-Stats-

AGE-24
HEIGHT- 5'10''
WEIGHT 250
Body Fat-Roughly 20-22 (don't have bod pods or anything available in Japan, only my calipers.)
Been lifting since 7th Grade-very active lifestyle, football, basketball and racing dirt bikes. Currently I just work and race on weekends.

I'm a big solid dude, however I have a strongman type build, and am looking at showcasing my muscles and therefore stripping the fat and tightening up.

I've gone whole life natty up until 3 years ago and ran 2 very light PH cycles, and now currently doing just Ostarine, while cal deficit and have lost 2 inches on waist while maintained weight and gained strength. If you need more stats. muscle measurements let me know, maybe pics? idk.

My goal from this cycle is to gain strength maybe size, but MAIN goal is to help aid in fat loss and tighten up the body as a whole.

THIS IS MY FIRST REAL CYCLE

I know people advocate for just doing Test for first cycle, but my levels where very healthy last time they were checked, and really want the benefits of Tren so at the risk of getting ridiculed here goes..

-CYCLE-

1-10 Test E 150-200mg once a week (still wondering about dosage if I should do 100 or 150 or 200, want to keep it as low as possible so TREN can do the work.

2-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD (plan on working way up from 50, as I do not know how my body will respond to compound)

7-10 50mg Anavar

PCT- Still up in Air- Opinions towards clomid welcomed.
Nolva 40/40/20/20
HCGenerate
Was concidering Ostarine-Sarms1 at 20mg for 4 weeks as well.

DAA throughout cycle as well as everything else, just don't want to list. I will have Arimidex on hand just in case.

So have at me, this is obviously new to me, however I have done research for about 3 years now, and was just waiting for time to be right, and body be right. I've been trolling this forum as well as others for quite some time and felt this place would be where I lay it all down.

 

[gearhead]

bro a few things...first if you use tren you need to add cardarine, read....http://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone-cardarine-gw-and-cardio-side-effects
second you need a better pct, check perfect pct....http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
lastly hit up the anavar as a kickstart not a finisher....

 

[gearedright]

I would keep aromasin on hand unless you already have the adex. If you must run the var I would kick it off with that weeks 1-4 but seeing as this is your first run I wouldn't even spend the cash on it. The tren and test should yield some great results assuming your diet is dialed in

 

[lancer55]

Get some caber or bromo on hand, I would not run Nolva while tren in floating around in your system either. Also consider dropping a little more bf% before you start.

 

[Evilbeaver]

I would keep aromasin on hand unless you already have the adex. If you must run the var I would kick it off with that weeks 1-4 but seeing as this is your first run I wouldn't even spend the cash on it. The tren and test should yield some great results assuming your diet is dialed in

Sweet deal on the Var, it is quite pricey..but I do firmly believe on doing something right and to the fullest the first time and not half ass something. But I agree as this will be a cherry popping for me and those compounds should do me solid without the added var. I haven't got the Adex yet, just like buying as much stuff from one place as possible but I can shop around if need be.

 

[Evilbeaver]

bro a few things...first if you use tren you need to add cardarine, read....http://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone-cardarine-gw-and-cardio-side-effects
second you need a better pct, check perfect pct....http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
lastly hit up the anavar as a kickstart not a finisher....

GOOD FIND-In regards to Cardarine, I knew the sides of tren, but wasn't fully aware of cardarines benefits to combat it. Great advice.
PCT-Agreed, after posting I was searching for it and couldn't find it, and as luck may have it I wrote down same thing from another thread you commented on.

 

[Evilbeaver]

Get some caber or bromo on hand, I would not run Nolva while tren in floating around in your system either. Also consider dropping a little more bf% before you start.

Copy that, body fat should be about 18-20 at a minimum before I start, I still have 4 weeks on current osta cycle then pct, maybe a full sarms cycle to assist in results, then I'll be back at home station awhile and ready to go for it with the T n T baby! (anyone ever said this before) ? if not I want full credit from now on if its ever used..

 

[lancer55]

I have never heard that before, it is yours. 15% would be better, but you being a strongman at your stats makes me think that you have a foundation so you do have that in your favor.

 

[Evilbeaver]

Ya, doesn't seem to matter a whole lot, wife doesn't agree. I was trying to plan everything out and bring the facts to the table but she read the EVO notification emails. Didn't sit to well with her. Besides, she brought up a good point as far as shipping goes. I'm not sure how intense the package searches are for AAS when shipping APO Box overseas, its technically a US address but there is still a customs form to be filled out. which doesn't have to be accurate obviously. However how they test and search packages has me worried. If anyone has an insight I'm all ears.

 

[gearhead]

Ya, doesn't seem to matter a whole lot, wife doesn't agree. I was trying to plan everything out and bring the facts to the table but she read the EVO notification emails. Didn't sit to well with her. Besides, she brought up a good point as far as shipping goes. I'm not sure how intense the package searches are for AAS when shipping APO Box overseas, its technically a US address but there is still a customs form to be filled out. which doesn't have to be accurate obviously. However how they test and search packages has me worried. If anyone has an insight I'm all ears.

bro sarms aren't a scheduled drug, not even prescription...you got nothing to worry about, not of military bros on evo hitting sarms...

 

[Evilbeaver]

bro sarms aren't a scheduled drug, not even prescription...you got nothing to worry about, not of military bros on evo hitting sarms...

Yes Sir I'm aware of that I'm talking about the gear.. If my package gets inspected somehow and I pop, that's my career and lively hood.. =[ Ya its to better the fighting machine lol but they don't see it that way.

 

[RickRock]

Tren can take a heavy toll on your health and body, and with elevated bodyfat like that, it will be even more. Your side effects will be horrible. Get your bodyfat down to 12-15% at least before starting

 

[bonacris]

Honestly I don't think you should touch tren for a few years. Its is a harsh compound. Test on its own can work wonders but I think tren here is a terrible idea. And you are only 24 so you are still quite young to be messing with tren

 

[JackSteel]

Sorry bro. No body is gonna recommend tren for a first cycle. I know I won't. Tren isn't a fat burner. You're making progress with Ostarine so why would you stop?? Also I'll reiterate what Rick said, you don't need to be using with such a high BF. Sides will be even worse.


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[KingInkster]

Thanks for the heads up on the cardarine... this fourm is gold.

 

[Evilbeaver]

Word, thanks for all the info. Looks like ill just keep with the natty, and my next stack will more then likely be the sarms triple stack Dylan talks so highly of, and use SARMS1.com And maybe I'm naïve but my thinking was if I ran tren I would get nice lean gains and the more muscle you carry the higher your metabolic rate is therefore easier to strip the excess off, with training and diet of course.

Ya my body fat is def higher than it use to be or what I want it to be. So ill have to get that in check before considering the real deal. And ill just stick to test if that day ever comes. At least now I have a general game plan and idea and all my final questions are answered. Now I just need to put in the work and be patient. Just sucks, I can gain strength and even size quick. my real issue is tightening up. I feel like in this case genetics/hormone levels (cortisol) play a roll. (not an excuse just saying) I eat lean and quality foods and like I said can get stronger and bigger quite quickly naturally. Just my fat doesn't fluctuate that much. my guess is im doing something wrong in the kitchen..but still find it hard to believe since I put so much time into what I consume. I GUESS AT THIS POINT IN LIFE IM FRUSTRATED LOL. Sorry for the rant and before the folks say taking gear isn't the answer. from what I have read and tired and experienced, I still feel AAS/Test would be the only other option yet to try. I'm open to advice and links to diets, food plans/preps etc. And before you say I need to work harder. EVERONE CAN WORK HARDER. even at my fittest I was 205-215 21 years old benching 315 twice, dead 500, squat 415-450 (had patella surgery, fucking brutal) and at the point I was about 14-16% bf

idk like I said gets frustrating..thanks for all the replies