Need Advice figuring out 1st Cycle

[toiletminds]

hello. im a 24 year old male. standing 5'10. weigh 180 lbs. 16% body fat right now. been working out for 9 year but bodybuilding seriously (counting macros and all) for the past 4 years now. I was 173 lbs with 6% fat 2 years ago. Then I bulked up for a year and became 193 lbs with 20+% fat. My issue is that i can not seem to be lean and weigh more than 175 lbs. anytime i try to gain muscle by eating clean for a few months and lifting, i either start looking smaller and just getting really cut or i just maintain at 175 lbs. I would like to be 180-185 lbs with 6-7% body fat. I have never had any blood work done. but I will get it if recommended by you guys.

I wanted to do an only anavar cycle since this is my first time. Ive read plenty of people saying that this is a waste of money but I do not want to try any of the stronger AAS at the moment. Also read that most people dont do any kind of PCT for this. but i will still be doing it and i will also use a liver guard as well. the main issue that i have is that im having issues understanding what to use in the PCT. I wanted to keep this Cycle very simple. All Advice is appreciated.

My Cycle
Anavar 25mg ED for 6-8 weeks (suggestions are appreciated for how long i should cycle)
N2Guard = ? (suggestions)
PCT = ? (please help)

thank you.

 

[PTPT]

You will need a normal pct with var but at 25mgs a day don't expect any good gains.

 

[toiletminds]

Do you think Id be able to make at least 5lbs gain is this cycle?

 

[Kman61]

Do you think Id be able to make at least 5lbs gain is this cycle?

My two cents... no. It takes 50mg per day for me to truly experience the ride Anavar has to offer and it is one I have responded well to it over the years. I use it to kick start, etc.
Furthermore, a first cycle usually should contain test as a base. Anavar will put you into some degree of shut down.

If you are counting macros, you might be eating too little or a little too clean? I am 5'8" and at 175 ish I am shredded but size suffers. I am working toward being shredded at 188-190. Last time I cut deeply I stopped at 181 and did not like the mass loss so I took it back up a bit to lift heavier and balance my diet. I would say unless you are small framed, focus on diet before spending money on such a light cycle of anavar.

Again my two cents: 5'8" 188 10% bf

 

[dopamine]

Only women have any business running an anavar-only cycle. If you have a pair of balls down there then you need to add testosterone! Now, if you don't have the emotional maturity to stick yourself with a needle twice a week then you have no business running steroids.

 

[mvpstatus]

You can make a 5 pound gain without Anavar..

 

[dopamine]

IMO, you aren't going to put on jack with 25 mg of var without any test involved. And the guy above me is right, even if you could put on anything on that low of a dosage, 5 pounds of muscle for what the Anavar and PCT meds are going to be worth? Don't even bother.

 

[shouldireallycare]

Don't waste your time or money with an Anavar only cycle. Your diet needs to get in check first, there is no way you are accurately countin/tracking your macros.

 

[toiletminds]

you advice is what i was looking for. im not small framed at all. people ask me about steroids when i dont have any experience with them. Im very happy with how my body is but I wouldnt mind 10 lbs. its just that i feel like my genetic limit is probably 175 lbs lean. which is still pretty small. I understand that money is going to have to be spent so i dont mind that. so you think 50 mg is good for my weight?

 

[dopamine]

UGL Var is run at 80 mg per minimum. And that's with TESTOSTERONE. You aren't going to see jack on 50 mg, let alone run without a test base.

 

[ski1717]

ok everybody is looking for different body types and weight, I'm 5 10 and 170-173, but I'm always looking to be even more ripped at 162-165. sounds like you want to put on 5 lbs lean muscle and lower bf% if possible. it always starts and ends with diet for sure. if your totally set on running anavar only I would do 50-60mg/day split dose am and pm due to var's half life and I would not go over an 8 wk cycle and liver supports are a must ie nac/tudca or n2guard. you will see lean results with var. if you really wanna do it right I would use test c or test E pinning 1x week for 12 wks lol

 

[dopamine]

And quit fibbing. The only reason why you want to run a Var-only cycle is because you're too much of a wuss to pin. Otherwise, prove us wrong and add half a gram of test to that cycle. The 'stronger AAS' argument is both superfluous and illogical. The test only cycle is the gold standard when it comes to any first-time cycle. It is quite literally the safest cycle any male can run, as all really one is doing is raising his endogenous testosterone levels to supraphysiological levels - one is simply adding more to a naturally occurring process.

 

[LevButlerov]

Since you want to avoid any strong AAS, my advice would be for you to do a SARMs triple stack with a mini-PCT. It is very safe in matters of side effects, pretty effective, and requires a milder PCT. Besides, unlike Anavar, it is easier to get the real deal if you buy it from a reputed supplier. Try something like MK2866 + LGD 4033 + S4 Andarine. It will definitely give some very good results with no side effects.

 

[aggirl]

Since you want to avoid any strong AAS, my advice would be for you to do a SARMs triple stack with a mini-PCT. It is very safe in matters of side effects, pretty effective, and requires a milder PCT. Besides, unlike Anavar, it is easier to get the real deal if you buy it from a reputed supplier. Try something like MK2866 + LGD 4033 + S4 Andarine. It will definitely give some very good results with no side effects.

I totally agree. ....to honest not wanting to run aas at this point is a good decsion and definitely does make you a "wuss". I think you can achieve your goals without aas for sure. I think you issue is 90% your diet and 10% your training. Could you give us an example of your diet and training?

I think once you got a solid diet in order and awesome training regimen you would see a difference. At that point I would definitely recommend the sarms triple stack. Save the aas for when you have a decent base and want to take it to the next level. Just my 2 cents!!

 

[dopamine]

I am not calling the guy a wuss for not wanting to run AAS. I was calling him a wuss, and a very irresponsible one at that, for ignoring the science and choosing to run the Var without any testosterone involved. If he wants to stay out of the AAS game then by all means do so, because in my opinion, it takes a hell of a lot more courage and fortitude to pursue one's dream physique without any drugs.

Let us remember btw, that Anavar in itself is an anabolic steroid that can shut you down just as well as any other steroid. That is what he doesn't seem to get.

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

You would not be happy with an anavar only cycle. Anavar isn't going magically recomp your body.

You bulked for a year and went from 173 lbs 6% to 193 lbs and 20% bf? So your lost muscle mass while bulking? How did you possibly manage that dude???

Something is seriously wrong here. Your diet and/or training, calorie tracking must be way off unless you made a typo of some sort.

Don't even consider steroids. Your training has to be off dude.

If everything here is right, and I'm wrong. Then you probably need blood work done. You could have hypogonadism. a 24 year old healthy male at 175 should have no problem at all gaining 5lbs naturally.

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[toiletminds]

And quit fibbing. The only reason why you want to run a Var-only cycle is because you're too much of a wuss to pin. Otherwise, prove us wrong and add half a gram of test to that cycle. The 'stronger AAS' argument is both superfluous and illogical. The test only cycle is the gold standard when it comes to any first-time cycle. It is quite literally the safest cycle any male can run, as all really one is doing is raising his endogenous testosterone levels to supraphysiological levels - one is simply adding more to a naturally occurring process.

it is not the pinning that is the issue. I think if i run a test cycle it would become too complicated for me to manage due to needing estrogen blockers, liver guards, and Im still having hard time figuring a good PCT regimen. what would you suggest if i were to run a cycle with test?

 

[toiletminds]

You would not be happy with an anavar only cycle. Anavar isn't going magically recomp your body.

You bulked for a year and went from 173 lbs 6% to 193 lbs and 20% bf? So your lost muscle mass while bulking? How did you possibly manage that dude???

Something is seriously wrong here. Your diet and/or training, calorie tracking must be way off unless you made a typo of some sort.

Don't even consider steroids. Your training has to be off dude.

If everything here is right, and I'm wrong. Then you probably need blood work done. You could have hypogonadism. a 24 year old healthy male at 175 should have no problem at all gaining 5lbs naturally.

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i gained some size but my diet at that point had a lot of fats. it was not a clean bulk

 

[toiletminds]

Since you want to avoid any strong AAS, my advice would be for you to do a SARMs triple stack with a mini-PCT. It is very safe in matters of side effects, pretty effective, and requires a milder PCT. Besides, unlike Anavar, it is easier to get the real deal if you buy it from a reputed supplier. Try something like MK2866 + LGD 4033 + S4 Andarine. It will definitely give some very good results with no side effects.

thank you. I think it would be good to start out slow.

 

[toiletminds]

I am not calling the guy a wuss for not wanting to run AAS. I was calling him a wuss, and a very irresponsible one at that, for ignoring the science and choosing to run the Var without any testosterone involved. If he wants to stay out of the AAS game then by all means do so, because in my opinion, it takes a hell of a lot more courage and fortitude to pursue one's dream physique without any drugs.

Let us remember btw, that Anavar in itself is an anabolic steroid that can shut you down just as well as any other steroid. That is what he doesn't seem to get.

I dont mind you guys calling me a wuss. the fact is that ive come to you guy for your knowledge so im happy to take that good with the bad. I appreciate you taking the time to comment. when you say that anavar will shut me down. does that mean that after the cycle i would have a hard time to get my natural test back with PCT and lose muscle?

 

[dopamine]

You won't need any liver support on a test only cycle, that's the beauty of it, apart from the occasional dose of arimidex or dare I say aromasin. Any synthetic androgen will shut you down, and by shut down, I mean shut down your natural testosterone production. Which begs the question: where is your body going to get its necessary supply of estrogen and dihydrotestosterone? Given that both hormones are derived from testosterone?

This is to say that you are going to be looking at every conceivable issue that will arise due to an androgen deficiency whilst on an Anavar-only cycle. Sore joints, terrible skin and general recovery issues. Let me ask you something to help you get to the point even quicker: if a cycle of Anavar is as uncomplicated as you think it is, then why in the hell does every veteran, endocrinologist and steroid enthusiast recommend a test-only cycle for every first-timer? Why don't they recommend Anavar-only for beginners, seeing as how mild it is and how uncomplicated an anavar-only cycle would supposedly be?

If you were taking the time to do your research then you would know the answer to that question.

 

[NY REBEL]

You won't need any liver support on a test only cycle, that's the beauty of it, apart from the occasional dose of arimidex or dare I say aromasin. Any synthetic androgen will shut you down, and by shut down, I mean shut down your natural testosterone production. Which begs the question: where is your body going to get its necessary supply of estrogen and dihydrotestosterone? Given that both hormones are derived from testosterone?

This is to say that you are going to be looking at every conceivable issue that will arise due to an androgen deficiency whilst on an Anavar-only cycle. Sore joints, terrible skin and general recovery issues. Let me ask you something to help you get to the point even quicker: if a cycle of Anavar is as uncomplicated as you think it is, then why in the hell does every veteran, endocrinologist and steroid enthusiast recommend a test-only cycle for every first-timer? Why don't they recommend Anavar-only for beginners, seeing as how mild it is and how uncomplicated an anavar-only cycle would supposedly be?

If you were taking the time to do your research then you would know the answer to that question.

Not a bad summary.. Good job.. Question.. Why dare I say aromasin?

 

[dopamine]

BTW: don't let the method of administration fool you. One of the things you need to learn is that the steroids you pin straight into the muscle are almost always safer than the ones you take orally.

 

[dopamine]

Not a bad summary.. Good job.. Question.. Why dare I say aromasin?

No particular reason. Was thinking of another AI to add to the list and I put in the 'dare I say' line to help my thought processes flow. lol.

 

[NY REBEL]

No particular reason. Was thinking of another AI to add to the list and I put in the 'dare I say' line to help my thought processes flow. lol.

Aromasin is my jank..

 

[dopamine]

Aromasin is my jank..

If you send me a bottle of your Zitexx Trenbolone-of-the-Gods, I will send you a box of pharma-grade Aromasin (30 pcs).

 

[hurricane]

hello. im a 24 year old male. standing 5'10. weigh 180 lbs. 16% body fat right now. been working out for 9 year but bodybuilding seriously (counting macros and all) for the past 4 years now. I was 173 lbs with 6% fat 2 years ago. Then I bulked up for a year and became 193 lbs with 20+% fat. My issue is that i can not seem to be lean and weigh more than 175 lbs. anytime i try to gain muscle by eating clean for a few months and lifting, i either start looking smaller and just getting really cut or i just maintain at 175 lbs. I would like to be 180-185 lbs with 6-7% body fat. I have never had any blood work done. but I will get it if recommended by you guys.

I wanted to do an only anavar cycle since this is my first time. Ive read plenty of people saying that this is a waste of money but I do not want to try any of the stronger AAS at the moment. Also read that most people dont do any kind of PCT for this. but i will still be doing it and i will also use a liver guard as well. the main issue that i have is that im having issues understanding what to use in the PCT. I wanted to keep this Cycle very simple. All Advice is appreciated.

My Cycle
Anavar 25mg ED for 6-8 weeks (suggestions are appreciated for how long i should cycle)
N2Guard = ? (suggestions)
PCT = ? (please help)

thank you.

cycle sucks.. ditch it fast.

either run var with test, test alone or sarms for a 1st cycle.
var alone is a complete waste of good money

 

[toiletminds]

You won't need any liver support on a test only cycle, that's the beauty of it, apart from the occasional dose of arimidex or dare I say aromasin. Any synthetic androgen will shut you down, and by shut down, I mean shut down your natural testosterone production. Which begs the question: where is your body going to get its necessary supply of estrogen and dihydrotestosterone? Given that both hormones are derived from testosterone?

This is to say that you are going to be looking at every conceivable issue that will arise due to an androgen deficiency whilst on an Anavar-only cycle. Sore joints, terrible skin and general recovery issues. Let me ask you something to help you get to the point even quicker: if a cycle of Anavar is as uncomplicated as you think it is, then why in the hell does every veteran, endocrinologist and steroid enthusiast recommend a test-only cycle for every first-timer? Why don't they recommend Anavar-only for beginners, seeing as how mild it is and how uncomplicated an anavar-only cycle would supposedly be?

If you were taking the time to do your research then you would know the answer to that question.

Thanks man. i really appreciate the info your giving me. i thought i did a lot of research but talking to you guys is much more informative.

 

[NY REBEL]

If you send me a bottle of your Zitexx Trenbolone-of-the-Gods, I will send you a box of pharma-grade Aromasin (30 pcs).

PM me lol I got allot

 

[toiletminds]

cycle sucks.. ditch it fast.

either run var with test, test alone or sarms for a 1st cycle.
var alone is a complete waste of good money

good thing i ran this by you guys and didnt just think i knew everything. i think i will do more research on sarms. thank you