Pct after 15 week test e cycle

[Liam mcevoy]

Hi guys

I'm new to this forum and the world anobolic of steroids but like the good solid advice and info from you guys on here. I've just finished my 1st ever cycle of test e at 600mgs per week for 15 weeks, I've heard your supposed to only do 12 but was to told by guys in the gym to do 15. Didn't run any hcg or hcgenerate throughout cycle and only just learned now I should of done. Ive currently completed 1st week of pct , waited15 days from last pin to start and ran 100mg of clomid and 20 mgs of tamoxifen for 1st week. I am thinking of dropping clomid to 50mgs for another 3/4 weeks and keeping tamoxifen at 20 mgs throughout. I purchased some hcgenerate es after taking advice from guys on here and I'm taking 5 pills a day throughout pct. Does this pct sound OK, any advice or ideas from you guys would be appreciated. Thanks

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Sorry my stats

32 years old

5, 11

180lbs

12 % body fat

 

[Liam mcevoy]

Anyone? Advice would be greatly appreciated

 

[P10]

So first off, hcg and hcgenerate are very different. Hcg is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, where hcgenerate is more of a natural test booster. Hcgenerate is fine to run during pct, but you do not want to run HCG during pct. HCG is usually ran throughout your cycle(some start around 3rd week of cycle, other start later), but then dropped as soon as you begin pct.

Secondly, I've seen people run 100mg of clomid for the first week or so, but a lot will say its excessive especially when combining with torem. Since you already did a week at 100 I would say continue at 50/25/25(if you want to go longer like 50/25/25/25/12.5 you can). Just watch out for the emotional sides.

I am sure more people will comment, I am just giving you what I know. Good luck with your pct!

 

[muskate]

First off - it's actually a good thing you didn't use HCG with your cycle and PCT. I dont advocate HCG usage at all. Whenever you put an exogenous source of testosterone into your body (like when on a steroid cycle), your natural testosterone production will be suppressed. HCG wont change that but will only add side effects because HCG increases estrogen levels in the body. HCG is also suppressive of natural testosterone production.

Your PCT looks pretty good. The only things I would add to it are the SARMS cardarine and ostarine.

• Ostarine will prevent muscle loss during a PCT when the body is catabolic from the increased cortisol levels and low anabolic hormones.
• Cardarine will prevent fat gain during a PCT protocol when hormones are low and cortisol levels are high.

In this video I talk about how to run a proper PCT and why it's important -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwGWtlKVEmw

The perfect PCT article explains what dosages to use: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

The perfect PCT is arguably the best PCT protocol you can run. It is comprised of the SERMS clomid and nolvadex, the AI aromasin, HCGenerate ES (a good natural testosterone booster), N2guard (a liver/organ detox supplement) and the SARMS ostarine and cardarine.

 

[Liam mcevoy]

Thanks guys, so far still feel pretty good,eating well and still training hard. So far kept all of my gains and strength from my cycle. Was worried as I'd read up on all the nasty sides from clomid and nolvedex. Hopefully hcgenerate es will help with this andalso help with my strength, well being and libido whilst on pct.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks guys, so far still feel pretty good,eating well and still training hard. So far kept all of my gains and strength from my cycle. Was worried as I'd read up on all the nasty sides from clomid and nolvedex. Hopefully hcgenerate es will help with this andalso help with my strength, well being and libido whilst on pct.

the reason guys get bad sides on clomid and nolva is:

1. they run too much, too often (i've seen some nimrods online recommend some crazy ass dosages like 100 or even 300mg a day!!)
2. they drop IGF-1, not good and another reason not to run them at sky high dosages
3. they don't stack them with a strong T booster (thats why we always say to use hcgenerate ES with them)

 

[Liam mcevoy]

I've also just ordered some liquid aromison from ag guys, heard clomid and nolva can raise your estrogen so thinking taking a small amount of this eod will keep estrogen levels in check whilst on pct.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Keep your SERM doses moderate and you will not see the nasty side effects. Seems like you are on the right track with your PCT. I would recommend Ostarine and Cardarine though. That is all you are missing now from the perfect PCT protocol.

 

[Jay Scott]

Keep your SERM doses moderate and you will not see the nasty side effects. Seems like you are on the right track with your PCT. I would recommend Ostarine and Cardarine though. That is all you are missing now from the perfect PCT protocol.

Excessive doses of clomid can lead people to severe depression while taking it. Been there, and its definitely not a pleasant feeling I have to say.

Also, too much nolva can also kill off libido very hard. Like leave you not wanting a girl at all, even if it was the dream girl of your life.

So you have to be very delicate when it comes to SERMs and not over-do-it.

 

[Liam mcevoy]

Excessive doses of clomid can lead people to severe depression while taking it. Been there, and its definitely not a pleasant feeling I have to say.

Also, too much nolva can also kill off libido very hard. Like leave you not wanting a girl at all, even if it was the dream girl of your life.

So you have to be very delicate when it comes to SERMs and not over-do-it.

So is 20 mgs of nolva a day an ok dosage if I'm also taking clomid and hcgenerate es, one thing I'm worried about is my libido tanking and I've heard nolva is bad for that. I've noticed I can still get erections but there not as hard as on cycle and before cycle, was wondering if it could be my e2 to high or low, still getting good morning wood.