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I'm 6 weeks into my second cycle, its testp and primo. They both are giving me bad pip, especially in certain muscles, and are becoming worse and actually debilitating. I have leftover test E from previous cycle and want to try switching to that as i didnt have these issues with it first cycle. How do i transition and keep a steady hormone level? Just switch over to E on next pin? Or do i need to overlap and taper the P? I would stay on primo. Whats the best way? Thanks
You say 'certain muscles'. So... what ones are worse and do you have to inject in them??
Pining eod, i have to find anywhere i can. My lats, pecs and triceps have been the worst but the final straw was my quad, i tried it and its just killing me. They get swollen, red and warm for 3 or 4 days. My VG and delts havent yet reacted like that and feel like avoiding everywhere else which leaves me very few places left.
Ok but just wondering how to transition. Just stop the P and start E at the same weekly dose? Or should there be a taper off of the Prop while starting E?
Well this has got to be a reaction, redness, hot and swelling for days post pin cant just be pip. For whatever reason, its getting worse as i just had typical pain in first few weeks. I got 2 of everything to pin! Lol but even so, when they are still sore a week or more after a pin, im not going to pin it again till its back to normal. And my quads, never again.. still red and swollen 4 days later.
you can transition just fine.. you could stay on prop another week or two while taking test e just to compensate and that should be plenty of time...
Exactly. Add the test e into your current cycle for 2 weeks. After the 2 weeks, drop the test prop and then just run the test e
Primo definitely has a bite too it and Test P can be the same. Nothing to worry about. Just switch if you want.
How many sites are you using bro ?
I'm middle of a prop cycle and I pin every day and I get away with VG, Glutes and quads (i actually dont mind quads at all).
Just struck me as extreme using lats, pecs and triceps :O
Like i said, when the muscle is swollen sore and red, up to a week or more somtimes later, i sure aint gunna pin it again till its calm. So areas run out fast when pinning EOD or more plus the primo stings too. And my quads, forget it. Its been a week now and finally calming down but still swollen and hurts, no legs for 2 weeks now i bet. It just seems my body is starting to reject it as it just got worse. I cant continue to use it like that.
Are you sure you're not getting infections ? Swollen, sore, red (and warm to the touch?) are usually signs of infection and not pip.
If not, all I can think of is that the prop crashed. How does the solution look ?
I know all classic sighns of infection, which has got me concerns but doesnt do that reaction in delts or vg. The solution looks clear, what do you mean by crashed? Cuz it is from a different source, and said its close to expiration date.. so he says anyway.
Prop is notorious for pushing the limits of amount of testo the ester/oil can hold, and sometimes it crashes and crystallizes.
Never had crashed prop myself but read its like injecting tiny crystals that grind your muscles from the inside and it can cause the symptoms you're experiencing.
It should be visible in the vial (might have to remove the sticker though...). The oil should be clear, not cloudy, no visible crystals and "normal" viscosity.
Oh well its clear, slightest amber tint, is more viscous than my teste or primo. I dont remember any visable pieces. And it is the 100mg per 1ml concentration. It dont start to bother untill 12 hours later and usually peaks at worst about 2 to 4 days later. I think it might be developing abcesses? Whatever it is i cant pin that stuff anymore. I did a delt yesterday and no problem. Who knows
Have you tried heating your vials/oil to body temp before drawing/injecting ?
I used to get pip(no infections signs though) before I started heating (just 15ish seconds under hot tap water, assuming yours is hot is enough)
You'll visible see the viscosity of the oil double and no, it wont degrade it.
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If that doesn't help, I have no idea bro, just switch over.
Was just hoping to help save you some money on the gear
Have you tried heating your vials/oil to body temp before drawing/injecting ?
I used to get pip(no infections signs though) before I started heating (just 15ish seconds under hot tap water, assuming yours is hot is enough)
You'll visible see the viscosity of the oil double and no, it wont degrade it.
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If that doesn't help, I have no idea bro, just switch over.
Was just hoping to help save you some money on the gear
No i havent tried that. It pins real nice, just half a day later things happen, i honestly think its just me, maybe im slighly alergic to the oil. Although i have no known alergies. Thanks for the thought though
Me too. It's one thing not to keep jabbing away at the same spot on a glute and then complain about scar tissue and it's another to jab all over the body.
I reminded of one pro, yanking the chain of a newbie, saying he used the teddy bear method (complete with a drawing in the mag which quoted the tale). It being that he suggested he made a pattern of pin holes / injection sites which somehow resembled the outline of a teddy on his ass lol
Me too. It's one thing not to keep jabbing away at the same spot on a glute and then complain about scar tissue and it's another to jab all over the body.
I reminded of one pro, yanking the chain of a newbie, saying he used the teddy bear method (complete with a drawing in the mag which quoted the tale). It being that he suggested he made a pattern of pin holes / injection sites which somehow resembled the outline of a teddy on his ass lol
Ha ha! Well, see, i definately dont want that! But as i said, eod schedule, no way i was pinning an already irritated sight. So find one that wasnt. Not that i wanted to, kinda had to. I need to be able to stand and walk for daily activities lol
Me too. It's one thing not to keep jabbing away at the same spot on a glute and then complain about scar tissue and it's another to jab all over the body.
I reminded of one pro, yanking the chain of a newbie, saying he used the teddy bear method (complete with a drawing in the mag which quoted the tale). It being that he suggested he made a pattern of pin holes / injection sites which somehow resembled the outline of a teddy on his ass lol
Totally agree!
Thats hilarious and pure gold, i laughed out loud
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