nelson montana
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Right to the point. Long esters do not take longer to work that short esters! At least not after the first week. Who does a one week cycle?!
The very notion that long esters don't kick in for weeks and short cycles require short estersis flat out so dumb, I'm surprised people still believe it. But you know how it goes. Something becomes established bro-science and everyone goes along. I think the fact that so many people are inherently lazy they're just fine with accepting the myth. But it's nonsense.
Follow the reasoning.
A "long" ester peaks after about 48 hours and begins to dissipate after 7 days or so. After 2 weeks it's pretty much out of your system. So obviously, you'll be pinning at least once a week, which means after 7 days, you will always have a constant level of the drug. It doesn't sit around and do nothing waiting to work after a month. it's in and out of your system in two weeks. So the level of 200 mgs of test cyp at day 4 is no different that if you took 50 mgs a day of test prop.
And even with short esters and orals, you won't really see effects for a couple of week. But if you don't see anything by then , you're not trying hard enough! I've always noticed effects pretty quickly. Slight. But noticable. That means it's working.
And I'll remind everyone. Back when steroids were first discussed in Duchaine's book (which I wish I still had because it's worth a lot of money!) 6 weeks was considered a "pro cycle." Today, you have nit wits who are 6 weeks into the cycle asking when it's going to "kick in."
The only benefit to a short ester is to get optimum levels immediately. And for that, I'd prefer orals. Also, long ester drugs will not extend the cycle! if anything, they provide a natural "leveling off." Yeah, yeah, I know, Deca is detectable for months after stopping usage, but that's because the metabolites are detectable. It isn not working months later! It does last a little longer but the last shot will stop building any muscle whatsoever a few weeks after you take it.
So that's it. I realize this won't stick. Some people want to believe what they want to believe and will reject evidence, logic, proof, or reason to do so. And there's always some nit wit who wants to argue to try and prove he's smart. Fine. But the reality is what it is.
You can use long esters in a short cycle, and vice versa. I personally see no advantage to short esters short of the fact that they cause a little less water retention making them better the last week prior to a contest -- for all you professional competitors out there.
The very notion that long esters don't kick in for weeks and short cycles require short estersis flat out so dumb, I'm surprised people still believe it. But you know how it goes. Something becomes established bro-science and everyone goes along. I think the fact that so many people are inherently lazy they're just fine with accepting the myth. But it's nonsense.
Follow the reasoning.
A "long" ester peaks after about 48 hours and begins to dissipate after 7 days or so. After 2 weeks it's pretty much out of your system. So obviously, you'll be pinning at least once a week, which means after 7 days, you will always have a constant level of the drug. It doesn't sit around and do nothing waiting to work after a month. it's in and out of your system in two weeks. So the level of 200 mgs of test cyp at day 4 is no different that if you took 50 mgs a day of test prop.
And even with short esters and orals, you won't really see effects for a couple of week. But if you don't see anything by then , you're not trying hard enough! I've always noticed effects pretty quickly. Slight. But noticable. That means it's working.
And I'll remind everyone. Back when steroids were first discussed in Duchaine's book (which I wish I still had because it's worth a lot of money!) 6 weeks was considered a "pro cycle." Today, you have nit wits who are 6 weeks into the cycle asking when it's going to "kick in."
The only benefit to a short ester is to get optimum levels immediately. And for that, I'd prefer orals. Also, long ester drugs will not extend the cycle! if anything, they provide a natural "leveling off." Yeah, yeah, I know, Deca is detectable for months after stopping usage, but that's because the metabolites are detectable. It isn not working months later! It does last a little longer but the last shot will stop building any muscle whatsoever a few weeks after you take it.
So that's it. I realize this won't stick. Some people want to believe what they want to believe and will reject evidence, logic, proof, or reason to do so. And there's always some nit wit who wants to argue to try and prove he's smart. Fine. But the reality is what it is.
You can use long esters in a short cycle, and vice versa. I personally see no advantage to short esters short of the fact that they cause a little less water retention making them better the last week prior to a contest -- for all you professional competitors out there.