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It looks like the extreme sleepiness has went away (thank goodness). I was about to switch to night time injections based on some advice, but now I'm back to (higher than before) energy levels, so this is great.

Waiting patiently on some of the other positive effects, but I know HGH is long game, so I'll be patient, haha
 
It looks like the extreme sleepiness has went away (thank goodness). I was about to switch to night time injections based on some advice, but now I'm back to (higher than before) energy levels, so this is great.

Waiting patiently on some of the other positive effects, but I know HGH is long game, so I'll be patient, haha

I've been taking G-tropin for 5 weeks and for me it went pretty much the same as you. I really started noticing benefits around week 4. Its always subtle changes but other than side effects , the first positive effects I get are injury and workout recovery, and fat loss. My wife started taking a low dose 10 days ago and she is really struggling with the sleepiness now. I'm hoping she can hang on for another week until it subsides.
 
It looks like the extreme sleepiness has went away (thank goodness). I was about to switch to night time injections based on some advice, but now I'm back to (higher than before) energy levels, so this is great.

Waiting patiently on some of the other positive effects, but I know HGH is long game, so I'll be patient, haha
These G's are top quality, I've been recommending them to clients for years now.

Do you plan on pulling blood-work on these anytime soon?
 
These G's are top quality, I've been recommending them to clients for years now.

Do you plan on pulling blood-work on these anytime soon?

Already paid for the test via privatemdlabs. Was going to give the bloods on Friday, but I was halfway through eating a bowl of chicken fried rice when I remembered that this just fucked up my fast.

The plan is the following:
- Begin fast at or before midnight on Sunday
- Reconstitute HGH with 1ml of bacteriostatic water
- Pin 10iu HGH around 9-10am
- Inject directly into my bicep (which has never been injected into before) with a 25g needle
- 3-3.5 hours later, get my blood taken
- Wait for results
 
Already paid for the test via privatemdlabs. Was going to give the bloods on Friday, but I was halfway through eating a bowl of chicken fried rice when I remembered that this just fucked up my fast.
The plan is the following:
- Begin fast at or before midnight on Sunday
- Reconstitute HGH with 1ml of bacteriostatic water
- Pin 10iu HGH around 9-10am
- Inject directly into my bicep (which has never been injected into before) with a 25g needle
- 3-3.5 hours later, get my blood taken
- Wait for results
That is the exact protocol that I suggest and been recommending for years.
You can use a slin pin in the Bi if you have one..

For other readers, please read below for educational purposes about testing methods and how results could vary from one type of testing to the next.

Checking your HGH serum levels through blood work!
(Textbook testing for therapeutic levels vs 4-10ius is far different)



In today's age we are limited to testing methods when testing our HGH serum levels due to expense factors.. Though direct HGH serum blood work seems to be the only practical method we have available when it concerns "Meat Heads on a budget" such as PrivateLabs/labcorp, it's known as a "Crude method" like all blood work, however it's a good indicator of where we came from, where we are, and where we are going!

Before we begin, I want to reiterate the fact that there are different testing methods that will yields different
results and please read about Testosterone and HGH..

The protocol below is focused around HGH, but please read about the types of tests that would still apply for "TESTOSTERONE" serum readings and a more accurate final report..
For Testosterone LONG esters: 4-5 weeks out is best for a more accurate serum reading, this is the gold standard with 3 days after last injection.. The testing assy that is selected will provide a different result thus is it highly recommending to use a sensitive test that is NOT capped (some tests cap off after 1500, LC MS-MS will not cap) , ::LC MS-MS FEMALE TEST CLICK HERE:: <--- cheapest and best option for TESTOSTERONE SERUMS
You do NOT need to be fasted for testosterone levels..

Types of tests:
ECLIA vs LC MS-MS; ECLIA Method which is short for "Electrochemiluminescent Immunoassay".. It’s a fast and affordable method to measure total hormones in your blood. Many labs and hospitals (ER's) use this method because it’s automatic and doesn’t require too much work on a lab technician’s part, it's simply the standard affordable method done by most clinics for blood tests..It's not reliable or entirely accurate..It's simply just a "standard generic method", fast turn around, nothing more, nothing less...It's simply just a fast,quick snap shot for the moment to give almost instant results, so it's somewhat accurate for that sole purpose when it concerns "Just tell me whats going on now, yes or no"...

LC MS-MS Method is short for "liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry". It’s considered the gold standard method by many researchers in measuring small molecules. Its accuracy and consistency is why the CDC is recommending LC/MS to be the standard method used when testing HGH/IGF or even total testosterone. Because LC/MS is more sensitive than ECLIA, doctors typically use this method when testing patients with really low levels with HGH or even again - testosterone levels, and testing individuals such as women and children. While it’s more accurate and sensitive, the LC/MS method is more expensive than ECLIA. And it takes a bit longer to get your results...Always place into great consideration that with the LC MS-MS method it will be more pronounced with measuring specific concentrations..

The truth of the matter is, HGH serum levels only validates it's legitimacy NOT potency because testing results will vary "dramatically" from each individual to the next..Testing HGH levels is a crude method at best, at the same time providing a keen indication on what's taken place.. IGF levels would be the best testing to provide if there is any REAL activity, however this method for HGH serum is decent enough to show something..

Testing for IGF serum levels is one of the better methods to assure the quality, in which will help validate the authenticity of the product!


FYI; Always have a baseline, knowing your baseline is pivotal especially if you have a history with testing and having a complete understanding of what your REAL baseline is, this way comparisons can be applied from prior dates to future instances, or even protocols, as there's numerous variables that may effect results..


Test pricing can range from 55-75$ in some cases for a HGH panel
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/ Testing HGH serum through a blood panel is NOT the current lab standard,IGF levels establish the effectiveness of TRUE HGH levels,and they are seen and recognized by a labs aspect as the RELIABLE standard (depending on time of day,diet,and/or the influence of injection of HGH(exogenous) other then natural levels (endogenous ),However, I'm not suggesting that HGH labs are poor with inaccuracy, in fact I'm going to implementing that it's a GREAT alternative compared to the expensive lab standards, as it can provide overwhelming evidence if your HGH is in fact real HGH..

Now, if your utilizing HGH through subq/IM administration (exogenous influence) your levels will spike approximately 3 hrs after administration, an IFG analysis is completely unnecessary UNLESS you have tested prior for baseline levels and wish to compare, the simple HGH serum test will yield a sufficient readout if in fact your HGH is legit or not, as your HGH serum will stand far outside of the standard reference range.. FACT- This is a proven method to determine a YES or NO.. (Its's suggested to do a pre base line readings on HGH & IGF levels for comparison)
Also, always keep notes when testings, with each pre and after test method..


Preparing for Blood test (6-10ius pre testing)

There's a lot of controversy in regards to fasting vs finding it unnecessary.. There's some truth behind this for great reason, such as fasting enhances growth hormone secretion and amplifies the complex rhythms of growth hormone secretion in men (when testing natural levels), levels can be very infrequent and erratic, especially during a fed state, as many nutrients posses an unpredictable effect on GH release in most people..(metabolization sensitivity will vary).. However, when testing 3hrs after IM injection of HGH fasting has been proven to be irrelevant to serum levels (in some/most patients).In order to rule out and opposing factors that can be questionable with manipulation through serum levels, it is SUGGESTED to fast 6-10 hrs pre-blood drawing so levels are NOT BLUNTED. Carbohydrate intake should be lowered considerably 24 hrs prior, up until 6-10 hrs fast, there after no consumption (glucose may suppress GH release effecting spike levels)..

Injection spot: IMO it is best to use a site that has little to NO scar tissue, and is NOT a frequented injection site of the user. The Bicep is a GREAT option due to more virgin tissue opposed to the delt region as most users opt for that area for oils.

Dosages and Serum levels to expect

6-8ius can yield 15-50 ng/mL as ranges can vary (this has been proven in real life experiences, regardless of the quality, generic or US Pharma grade,some user do NOT respond well with HGH injections, fact this is why it's suggested to keep notes from prior testing) Toss text book reads out the window!

Remain inactive pre-testing

As Further recommendations have it, absolutely no strenuous or rigorous stimulation through activities such as running,walking,or exercising, anything that can stimulation hormonal levels and HGH secretions..
Consumption of water is fine, a glass or 2 will NOT hurt, but limit hrs up until testings..
The usage of alcohol and/or tobacco is entirely prohibited, and not recommended, especially alcohol..cease all consumption 72hrs prior due to the brake down enzymes and glucose levels and pancreases secretions from alcohol..

Recap-

6-10 ius (IM) 3 hrs pre testing (subq administration possess a slower rate with metabolizing in some users, IM has proven a 2-6 fold in levels)
Fasting is recommended, but not necessary (suggested 6-10 hrs pre)
Limit carb intake to absolute minimum
Consumption of water is OK if limited to 1 glass or 2, and not 3 hrs pre testing
No strenuous activities under any circumstances before testing
The use of alcohol and tobacco and other drugs should be completely eliminated 72 hrs prior to testing

Regards,
Vision
 

That is the exact protocol that I suggest and been recommending for years.
You can use a slin pin in the Bi if you have one..

Oh seriously? Do you know the largest gauge we can safely use pinning IM without the needle having a chance of like breaking off or something crazy? Normally I've been pinning oils with 27g subq and HGH with 30g subq. It'd be amazing if I can safely pin into bicep with 30 subq

I keep finding conflicting information here and I've never tried an IM injection.
 
my Log :
normal STH ( GH ) : 0,39 mIU/l
after 10iu of Eurotropin : 56,70 mIU/l

I think it works good

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after 10iu.jpg
 
Oh seriously? Do you know the largest gauge we can safely use pinning IM without the needle having a chance of like breaking off or something crazy? Normally I've been pinning oils with 27g subq and HGH with 30g subq. It'd be amazing if I can safely pin into bicep with 30 subq

I keep finding conflicting information here and I've never tried an IM injection.

I honestly use a 27 with mostly everything and anything.
In my opinion I would go to 27, you're going to feel a little prick, no matter what you use, but it flows beautifully and it's the perfect gauge for both oil and aqueous/suspensions/reconstituted solutions.

If you have never tried IM injection then you can get away with simply doing a Glute injection, which might be a little bit easier for you because you have a lot more room for error and it's a larger muscle group and you might feel more confident, and I know having confidence and what you're doing is uno numero.. going into the bicep for your first time they'd be very intimidating especially if that's your first time IM period..

Let me know the day you're doing this in the Bi, reach out to me and I'll walk you through the entire process, I'll be there with you each step of the way verbally.

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Oh seriously? Do you know the largest gauge we can safely use pinning IM without the needle having a chance of like breaking off or something crazy? Normally I've been pinning oils with 27g subq and HGH with 30g subq. It'd be amazing if I can safely pin into bicep with 30 subq

I keep finding conflicting information here and I've never tried an IM injection.

But keep in mind that the bicep with your Sub-Q and muscle tissue is a lot softer that other areas of your body.it's a walk in the park and very easy if you use a slin.
someone would really need to be pushing through some serious scar tissue going on a hell of an angle in order to brake off a pin. The thought of it sounds scary, however it's very very unlikely..
 
Oh seriously? Do you know the largest gauge we can safely use pinning IM without the needle having a chance of like breaking off or something crazy? Normally I've been pinning oils with 27g subq and HGH with 30g subq. It'd be amazing if I can safely pin into bicep with 30 subq

I keep finding conflicting information here and I've never tried an IM injection.
That's a good protocol. I also highly recommend pinning HGH intramuscularly into your bicep when testing.

The smallest I've used for IM in 27g. However I imagine as long as you pin straight in and dont hit any scar tissue or anything you could even go as small as 31g. But 27g doesn't rly hurt at all. I use a 27g slin pin in my biceps once a week to pin my oils. I've had one issue where I went in weird and the needle bent at a 90 degree angle but still didn't break.
 
Hey guys, I ended up using a 27g needle and pinning the 10ius into my bicep.

Pinned at 7:15am and got the blood taken around 10:20am, so I think we're good.

I'll post the labs once they've arrived
 
Tests came in! Looks like the HGH was literally off the charts at >65.0

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Looks like my IGF-I is actually below the average. Unfortunately this wasn't part of the bloods I took before this (only lipids, test / etc), so I can't compare how it has changed with the HGH.
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Tests came in! Looks like the HGH was literally off the charts at >65.0

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Looks like my IGF-I is actually below the average. Unfortunately this wasn't part of the bloods I took before this (only lipids, test / etc), so I can't compare how it has changed with the HGH.
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Yep without a baseline IGF-1 it’s hard to gauge but even at 2-2.5iu daily I would expect you to be higher than that. That HGH serum being that high is a little concerning as well. That seems too high. I think Vision will have some better insight than me on this though.
 
Tests came in! Looks like the HGH was literally off the charts at >65.0

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Looks like my IGF-I is actually below the average. Unfortunately this wasn't part of the bloods I took before this (only lipids, test / etc), so I can't compare how it has changed with the HGH.
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Oh and only 3 weeks of usage may not have given you enough time to raise IGF levels but typically 3-4 weeks should be plenty.
 
Yep without a baseline IGF-1 it’s hard to gauge but even at 2-2.5iu daily I would expect you to be higher than that. That HGH serum being that high is a little concerning as well. That seems too high. I think Vision will have some better insight than me on this though.

So like, is there any way I could have fucked this up? I injected an entire bottle which should be exactly 10iu following the protocol that everyone seems to agree on.

Yeah the IGF 1 is bothering me, and now I regret not getting a baseline on that. I guess we can see what it looks like ~4 week from now.
 
So like, is there any way I could have fucked this up? I injected an entire bottle which should be exactly 10iu following the protocol that everyone seems to agree on.

Yeah the IGF 1 is bothering me, and now I regret not getting a baseline on that. I guess we can see what it looks like ~4 week from now.

igf1 usually gets higher within 3-4 weeks...
 
So like, is there any way I could have fucked this up? I injected an entire bottle which should be exactly 10iu following the protocol that everyone seems to agree on.

Yeah the IGF 1 is bothering me, and now I regret not getting a baseline on that. I guess we can see what it looks like ~4 week from now.

Well the serum test came back fine. The problem is IGF levels take weeks of usage before they elevate. You are barely 3 weeks in so it could continue to raise. I would retest just IGF-1 levels after another 2-3 weeks of daily usage. You don’t need to do the 10iu injection 3 hours before for IGF levels. Just order the IGF test only and get blood taken fasted in the morning.
 
igf1 usually gets higher within 3-4 weeks...

Yeah it has been 3-4 weeks, so me being below average is weird. I've pinned 2-3 iu a day subq

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Well the serum test came back fine. The problem is IGF levels take weeks of usage before they elevate. You are barely 3 weeks in so it could continue to raise. I would retest just IGF-1 levels after another 2-3 weeks of daily usage. You don’t need to do the 10iu injection 3 hours before for IGF levels. Just order the IGF test only and get blood taken fasted in the morning.

Cool. Will do. At minimum, we've established this stuff knocked the GH test out of the park. I can't find many other bloods people have posted, but I think they're usually lower on the GH Serum test.
 
Yeah it has been 3-4 weeks, so me being below average is weird. I've pinned 2-3 iu a day subq

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Cool. Will do. At minimum, we've established this stuff knocked the GH test out of the park. I can't find many other bloods people have posted, but I think they're usually lower on the GH Serum test.
Testing for IGF is best around 5 weeks or so, 3 weeks is still on the earlier side..
IGF levels is something that takes time to build..

You are within range, and it doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong or you did something wrong with that score at the same time, there's been cases where people have high HGH levels and low igf ue to catabolic conditions or other unknown genetic predisposition, diet, hormones reactions and so on.
At your daily dose that is just about therapeutic like dosages, I wouldn't expect anything super high at 3 weeks in at those levels with IGF, that is why it was suggested to use the full 10iu at 1mL to show HGH serum levels if there was anything questionable with IGF.

those levels are very high with HGH, although its not often we see that, its not uncommon either, we have a few guys that do bloods here and there for us and one is a very high hyper responded and hits high numbers like yours , where others fall around 20's, and myself I always score around 17-20, I had 19.9 on my last bloods and that is good for me, yet I see guys in the 30's and 40's.. different responses, this goes to prove that this is not a one size fits all and we can not always compare bloods with others..
we can speculate all day with possible variables and it will get us nowhere due to no base line bloods.

Here's a quick example of a user that tested HGH here was his response -

Here are my baseline (pretty old now) and my IGF results after one month of use. I am taking 2IUs a day of Eurotropin HGH, split into two 1IU shots and had been doing so for a month when the IGF test was done. I think the results are very good, pushed me out of the normal range and it is only 2IUs! I am going to post a jpg of the second page of the blood test results - the first page was irrelevant, since it was CBC, Liver Functions, etc. IGF went from 99 to 284!

Now had he tested soon, there is a great chance his igf would be lower, who knows.. 4-5 weeks is best, 5 weeks is most ideal for IGF
 
Testing for IGF is best around 5 weeks or so, 3 weeks is still on the earlier side..
IGF levels is something that takes time to build..

You are within range, and it doesn't necessarily mean something is wrong or you did something wrong with that score at the same time, there's been cases where people have high HGH levels and low igf ue to catabolic conditions or other unknown genetic predisposition, diet, hormones reactions and so on.
At your daily dose that is just about therapeutic like dosages, I wouldn't expect anything super high at 3 weeks in at those levels with IGF, that is why it was suggested to use the full 10iu at 1mL to show HGH serum levels if there was anything questionable with IGF.

those levels are very high with HGH, although its not often we see that, its not uncommon either, we have a few guys that do bloods here and there for us and one is a very high hyper responded and hits high numbers like yours , where others fall around 20's, and myself I always score around 17-20, I had 19.9 on my last bloods and that is good for me, yet I see guys in the 30's and 40's.. different responses, this goes to prove that this is not a one size fits all and we can not always compare bloods with others..
we can speculate all day with possible variables and it will get us nowhere due to no base line bloods.

Here's a quick example of a user that tested HGH here was his response -

Here are my baseline (pretty old now) and my IGF results after one month of use. I am taking 2IUs a day of Eurotropin HGH, split into two 1IU shots and had been doing so for a month when the IGF test was done. I think the results are very good, pushed me out of the normal range and it is only 2IUs! I am going to post a jpg of the second page of the blood test results - the first page was irrelevant, since it was CBC, Liver Functions, etc. IGF went from 99 to 284!

Now had he tested soon, there is a great chance his igf would be lower, who knows.. 4-5 weeks is best, 5 weeks is most ideal for IGF

Yep I always like to wait until I’m at 40 days.
 
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