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PSL vs. Domestic Supply?

does psl still provide international shipping? I know that a lot of post companies closed their offices because of coronavirus and most international shops don't ship now
 
Yea but that’s not what we were talking about. We were talking about your price being $40 more

When you said it was the same price.

Can you admit that was not true?

I disagree with you - I didn't know about discount. I don't have account in their shop to see it. and also - what about other payment methods? no discount - the price is the same)
 
Both are GREAT companies that have great quality. Members do not have to worry when wishing to pick from either one when quality is a concern..

It is true that this company PSL offers 15% off using BTC for all orders inter or domestic.. and it is also true that DS has killer primo too. they even have some nice oil base drol in tea seed oil (thats good stuff)

with the current prices and things, the world is going through touch times so I think price should be least of worries.. think about quality at this moment.. 2 great options, both killers in quality.
you win either way, each company has advantages and disadvantages over each other, this is the same for ALL companies in every aspect of sales..

what should be very important is letting members answer the questions for other members.. Sources should not be comparing themselves to an other, that is for the member/customer base and potential clients to hold discussions in order to avoid threads from becoming nit-picks and tit-for-tat.

The cardinal rule that all matters hinge on, sources shouldn't compare themselves to others, even on other message forums sources should stay out of other sources sub-forums..

To the OP.. You have no worries man.. you're in good hands either way, I promise!
 
Both are GREAT companies that have great quality. Members do not have to worry when wishing to pick from either one when quality is a concern..

It is true that this company PSL offers 15% off using BTC for all orders inter or domestic.. and it is also true that DS has killer primo too. they even have some nice oil base drol in tea seed oil (thats good stuff)

with the current prices and things, the world is going through touch times so I think price should be least of worries.. think about quality at this moment.. 2 great options, both killers in quality.
you win either way, each company has advantages and disadvantages over each other, this is the same for ALL companies in every aspect of sales..

what should be very important is letting members answer the questions for other members.. Sources should not be comparing themselves to an other, that is for the member/customer base and potential clients to hold discussions in order to avoid threads from becoming nit-picks and tit-for-tat.

The cardinal rule that all matters hinge on, sources shouldn't compare themselves to others, even on other message forums sources should stay out of other sources sub-forums..

To the OP.. You have no worries man.. you're in good hands either way, I promise!



I'm agree with this - customers take a decision which one use
 
مميزات ارخص شركة صيانة تنظيف افران بالرياض
ارخص شركة صيانة افران بالرياض نظرًا للاستخدام المتكرر للأفران في أغراض الطهي المتعددة، يتراكم عليها الكثير والكثير من
البقع الناتجة عن تساقط الدهون، والزيوت، وبقايا
الطعام، الأمر الذي يتطلب مزيد من الجهد والوقت من قبل سيدة المنزل، مما يعرضها للتعب والمشقة، ولا يتم الحصول على نظافة حقيقة ومن هنا تتعرض
بعض مكونات الفرن وأجزائه إلى التلف، مما يسبب حدوث كوارث كالحرائق تعرض جميع المقيمين في المنزل للخطر والدمار ، ومن هنا تضطر سيدة المنزل
إلى الاستعانة بــ أفضل شركة صيانة أفران بالرياض التي تعمل في مجال صيانة الافران منذ فترة ليست قليلة الأمر الذي يجعلها تمتلك خبرات ومهارات بلا
حدود، ناهيك عن امتلاكها طاقم وفريق عمل من أفضل وأمهر المختصين والخبراء والفنيين في مجال الصيانة والتصليح لكافة أنواع الأفران، ناهيك عن السمعة
الطيبة والأمانة والمصداقية التي من الضروري أن تحظى بها شركات الصيانة.
أهمية الاستعانة بأفضل شركة صيانة افران في الرياض :
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<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">صيانة افران بالرياض</a>
<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">اصلاح افران بالرياض</a>
<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">تصليح افران غاز بالرياض</a>
<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">تصليح افران الغاز بالرياض</a>
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<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">تصليح افران الرياض</a>
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<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">تنظيف افران الغاز بالرياض</a>
<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">صيانة فرن جليم غاز بالرياض</a>
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<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">تنظيف افران بالرياض</a>
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<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">وكيل جليم غاز بالرياض</a>
<a href="https://msd-norge-as.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b1%d9%8a%d8%a7%d8%b6//">صيانة الافران بالرياض</a>
على الرغم من أنه ليس أكثر الأجهزة المنزلية تعقيدًا، إلا أن الفرن بالتأكيد من أهم الأجهزة المتواجدة داخل المطبخ، لذلك لا يوجد منزل بالمملكة العربية
بشكل عام، أو بالرياض بشكل خاص لا يوجد به فرن، في الأفران المنزلية لا غنى عنها في كل منزل، حيث يتم استخدامه في طهي وإعداد الطعام، والأفران
المنزلية هي أكثر الأجهزة المنزلية استخدامًا بشكل عام، ناهيك عن وجودها داخل المنزل لفترات ليست قليلة وتعرضها بشكل دائم للعوامل الجوية، الأمر
الذي يعرضها في كثير من الأحيان إلى التلف نتيجة وجودة الكثير والكثير من الأضرار التي تؤثر تأثير سلبي على مدى جودة وكفاءة وأداء الفرن.
لذا فمن الضروري الحفاظ عليها، وصيانتها بشكل دوري ومستمر حتى تستمر في العمل بشكل جيد وفعال، ولا شك أن صيانة وتصليح الأفران بمختلف
أنواعها يحتاج إلى بعض المكونات الأساسية والتي لا يمكن اتمام المهمة بدونها من أجل الحصول على نتائج حقيقية ومرغوب فيها، ولكي يتم الحصول على
تلك النتائج لابد من الاستعانة بأقوى شركة صيانة الافران بالرياض التي تمتلك كافة المقومات الأساسية والرئيسية التي تمكنها من إنهاء المهمة وتقديم
الخدمة على أكمل وجه وتتمثل تلك المقومات في الآتي:
ارقام شركات صيانة افران
ارخص شركة صيانة افران بالرياض
تصليح افران بالرياض
اشركة تصليح افران بالرياض
افضل شركة صيانه افران بالرياض
صيانة افران بالرياض
اصلاح افران بالرياض
تصليح افران غاز بالرياض
تصليح افران الغاز بالرياض
صيانة افران الغاز بالرياض
اصلاح افران بالرياض
تصليح افران الرياض
شركة صيانة افران بالرياض
شركة تنظيف افران بالرياض
شركة تنظيف افران الغاز بالرياض
شركة تنظيف الافران بالرياض
ارخص شركة تنظيف بالرياض
تنظيف افران الغاز بالرياض
صيانة فرن جليم غاز بالرياض
صيانة افران جليم غاز في الرياض
تنظيف افران بالرياض
رقم صيانة جليم غاز بالرياض
وكيل جليم غاز بالرياض
صيانة الافران بالرياض
 
Man both are good but PSL prices are better. Even with international shipping I have seen personally some crazy ass shipping times. Meaning very close to local shipping within a few days. That being said customs can always mess things up but so far I haven’t seen anything longer than 10 days.
 
Domestic supply is our forum sponsor so please give them your business as much as possible, this forum depends on sponsors and besides I 1000% endorse their products and service 1000% person A+++
 
Domestic supply is our forum sponsor so please give them your business as much as possible, this forum depends on sponsors and besides I 1000% endorse their products and service 1000% person A+++

Well I think this is where some heads are going to bump and it's going to be a pretty big boom..

I'm about to drop a nuke pretty soon because some things are getting really silly around here.. it's a free market man.

but I can also say something right now that would be a game-changer that changed the whole dynamics of everything around here..

The politics need to stop..

If someone wants to ask a question about a source that is user-friendly and is pretty well known in the neighborhood, I think they ought to have the freedom to do so without the other politics with a pack of wolves jumping in..

I could say something right now that could change the whole dynamics of everything around here... This is already screenshot so I can change the dynamic anywhere I want at any other platform.. the politics need to seriously stop!

There is other sources that are known to be very friendly around these parts that also have a lot of communication with people from these parts, should I keep going?
 
I’ve had great experience with PSL. Ran bloodwork on their products. PSL is absolutely outstanding.
 
I think there is confusion in this thread. PSL was a long time sponsor of evo and I never once bashed them or any other former sponsor. In fact I still have their gear leftover which I used

All I was saying is right now ds is our sponsor so we should throw them business along with our other sponsors you see in the banners. PSL is also a good one too. Not saying otherwise. otherwise. Just clearing that up.
 
There doesnt need to be any politics going on etc. Companies all have their reps and I would think it to be quite strange if reps were not loyal to their brands they are repping... Most peple that are repping companies do so because they truly believe in their products. There are good and bad sources out there period... The good ones have more longevity, more good user feedback etc.. Noone is perfect and i dont care what the company, there will be a complaint here and there throughout time, thats just reality however the ones that minimal issues are the ones you can see stay around the longest... Domestic Supply and PSL BOTH have been around a very long time and carry long standing reputations for being excellent... Both have been on EVO for some time now and its nice to have strong options so lets all keep that in mind and be thankful we have good options to pick from as forum sponsors... There's no need for any fighting, bickering etc... Thats all unnecessary and we need to remember, ESPEciALLY during these times, that we should work on co existing and getting along and putting past issues aside and more so working together as one...
 
There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE - when PSL was sponsor here - no other sources were able to write on EVO. my account was banned and I was not allowed to write anything.
Where was your "free market" at that time?
I was that "a source that is user-friendly and is pretty well known in the neighborhood" because I am on the market much longer than most sources. why were you against me and my clients to write anything on EVO?
why didn't you stop the politics when you were sponsor?)
 
There is ONE BIG DIFFERENCE - when PSL was sponsor here - no other sources were able to write on EVO. my account was banned and I was not allowed to write anything.
Where was your "free market" at that time?
I was that "a source that is user-friendly and is pretty well known in the neighborhood" because I am on the market much longer than most sources. why were you against me and my clients to write anything on EVO?
why didn't you stop the politics when you were sponsor?)

You will see in my post history for anyone to read it is public Access nowhere will you ever see me tarnish or speak down of any laboratory.
Nowhere will you see me telling people that they should use our services over anyone else's.
Know where you will see me trying to monopolize and telling members that we are the only source that should ever be used.

The only time you will ever see that I had anything to say about a source is probably a handful of times when there was NAP's representative coming into the community.
They have no business here. They have not had business here for many many many many many years.

I don't believe in the politics because I can show hyperlinks right now which is proof that I made a purchase through another sponsor in a different community, I am even in their subform speaking very highly of them and they are one of the leaders in this market and here I am openly supporting and endorsing them, in fact some of PSL even came inside the same topic and agreed.

Why would I post a thread about using the service of another sponsor that clearly is unrelated to us?

What would I have to gain?

I can show you threads we're I have participated with other sponsors with doing campaigns of giving back to others.

There is zero competitive agenda.

Find one post that I have made in all of my history in any of the communities where I slandered a competitor or said anything about not using their services?
You won't find it because it does not exist..

I do not tell people to use our services over someone else in fact if you read post #25 in this thread I told people that they will have great success even if they used your services.

I even asked you several several weeks ago to join a campaign with me with giving away free products as a gesture to the members in this community as a gesture to give back to a special member that has been dedicated and committed did this community.
Why would I ask you to join forces on doing such a kind gesture? Because I have no competitive attitude towards you or anyone else in this market..

If you go on to isarms you will see a thread the I manufactured where I asked quite a few sponsors to join me in a mission with giving back to other people..
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That doesn't sound like politics to me.. that sounds more like humbleness, appreciation, and most of all gratefulness.

I even reached out and contacted you to let you know I was willing to even make a purchase through your services and running one of your products the show with gesture the unwilling to be extremely cooperative and most of all trying to build a trusting business relationship..

You asked me why... By saying to me don't I have enough products..

Clearly you missed my point..

I'm done here have a good day everyone and happy Easter.

People should be more humble and grateful for what they have around them and in their lives, rather than waking up every day competing for 1st place.. because at the end of the day when the chess game is over the pawn goes back into the same box as the king..

There's an awful lot of comparisons in this entire thread from you DS in which people should use you over anybody else, you even mentioned numerous times about pricing and shipping. Stop forcing the sales and let your service speak for itself ;)
I promise you it would be a much better look..

I'm out!!!!!!

So much for leading by example
 
You will see in my post history for anyone to read it is public Access nowhere will you ever see me tarnish or speak down of any laboratory.
Nowhere will you see me telling people that they should use our services over anyone else's.
Know where you will see me trying to monopolize and telling members that we are the only source that should ever be used.

The only time you will ever see that I had anything to say about a source is probably a handful of times when there was NAP's representative coming into the community.
They have no business here. They have not had business here for many many many many many years.

I don't believe in the politics because I can show hyperlinks right now which is proof that I made a purchase through another sponsor in a different community, I am even in their subform speaking very highly of them and they are one of the leaders in this market and here I am openly supporting and endorsing them, in fact some of PSL even came inside the same topic and agreed.

Why would I post a thread about using the service of another sponsor that clearly is unrelated to us?

What would I have to gain?

I can show you threads we're I have participated with other sponsors with doing campaigns of giving back to others.

There is zero competitive agenda.

Find one post that I have made in all of my history in any of the communities where I slandered a competitor or said anything about not using their services?
You won't find it because it does not exist..

I do not tell people to use our services over someone else in fact if you read post #25 in this thread I told people that they will have great success even if they used your services.

I even asked you several several weeks ago to join a campaign with me with giving away free products as a gesture to the members in this community as a gesture to give back to a special member that has been dedicated and committed did this community.
Why would I ask you to join forces on doing such a kind gesture? Because I have no competitive attitude towards you or anyone else in this market..

If you go on to isarms you will see a thread the I manufactured where I asked quite a few sponsors to join me in a mission with giving back to other people..
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That doesn't sound like politics to me.. that sounds more like humbleness, appreciation, and most of all gratefulness.

I even reached out and contacted you to let you know I was willing to even make a purchase through your services and running one of your products the show with gesture the unwilling to be extremely cooperative and most of all trying to build a trusting business relationship..

You asked me why... By saying to me don't I have enough products..

Clearly you missed my point..

I'm done here have a good day everyone and happy Easter.

People should be more humble and grateful for what they have around them and in their lives, rather than waking up every day competing for 1st place.. because at the end of the day when the chess game is over the pawn goes back into the same box as the king..

There's an awful lot of comparisons in this entire thread from you DS in which people should use you over anybody else, you even mentioned numerous times about pricing and shipping. Stop forcing the sales and let your service speak for itself ;)
I promise you it would be a much better look..

I'm out!!!!!!

So much for leading by example

Again - my account was blocked when you became sponsor here. It was only unblocked when I became sponsor here. Your account aren't block now. I am not afraid of any competitors.
Happy Easter)
 
I think there is confusion in this thread. PSL was a long time sponsor of evo and I never once bashed them or any other former sponsor. In fact I still have their gear leftover which I used

All I was saying is right now ds is our sponsor so we should throw them business along with our other sponsors you see in the banners. PSL is also a good one too. Not saying otherwise. otherwise. Just clearing that up.

I greatly appreciate you for clearing that up I apologize if I came off a little sassy but I'm going to be honest they really did take me back for a minute and it felt like a kick in the balls.. I understand you're the representative and you have a job to do.. but myself running a company I have even used other sources and posted my reviews on them I know it's a different strategy and you do not have to adapt to mine.. but the whole notion of being biased can sometimes make someone's image appear just a little bit too vague..

Clarifying that there was also and is also another source that is user-friendly around these parts goes a long way because it shows that you're not biased, but at the same time making the reference that someone should take into great consideration a specific source that you refer is more understandable.. it just sounded like all of a sudden we were chopped liver..

If you notice inside of Post 25 I even devised the original poster that regardless of what company he chooses he's going to be taken care of because both companies are outstanding..

Furthermore I have three threads going up right now and two different communities a products that I literally purchase with my own finances from one of the largest competitors in this market,and I'm helping them out by giving them true honest reviews by showing fellow readers that not all representatives are biased with shoving the same products down people's throats, it's not wrong and it's not bad and it's not against policies the openly recognized that there is some pretty solid companies out there that are all like-minded.. I even created a free giveaway cycle with this sponsor over at isarms, we joined together as a brotherhood to give away to someone I even tried to establish that DS, maybe joining forces for a little bit by donating products to give away to a current member here that is deserving of it as a free cycle log.. for reason he declined, I was also messaging the sponsor about making a purchase with one of his products because I was really interested, that didn't go over too well..

I'm just confused on all the resistance in all the hatred but all the while I'm trying to bring people together..
 
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