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If the mountain wont come to Mohammed then Mo will jog on over to the mountain... and interview Nelson. Yeah god damn... there's a modern miracle known as PM'ing a guy. I also wanted to do something as a thank you for all Needtobuildmuscle does. Finally, I'm a nosy prick and so digging into the background of working with Dan et al back in the day might be cool too.

I've a few bits to get us started and will add to it as I go on. I'll forward any serious questions (and ignore the rest - like it or lump it - it's how it is)

N2Guard
Nelson mentioned a previous co-owner of N2BM I wont mention but I was more interested in the product development and some of the ingredients.

I started by talking about the product development stage.
Nelson: Well, I'd been studying, both through research and personal experience which natural ingredients worked best in regard to specific conditions. Anyway, we talked about a product that would work to prevent and protect against steroid side effects that would be superior to anything on the market. Strictly for hardcore juicers! That included stuff to protect liver, blood pressure, water retention, etc.

So I put together the ingredients that I thought was best. (As opposed to how most other companies work which is just throw together a few ingredients they heard are popular). There's some great substances in N2GUARD that most companies still don't even know about. (Though a few have ripped off).


I talked about product testing (which can cost serious money - like $100,000+). I also referred to what had been, for years, the standard go-to to compare N2Guard against - Liv-52

Honestly, testing for "protective effects" is next to impossible to gauge. It would literally cost tens of thousands of dollars because it would require monitoring over an extended period of time. So I took the research from things like LIV 52 and found out that it was the chicory which as the most effective ingredient. (Even though there is still some research how it works). So, I put THAT ingredient in N2GUARD. Then there are the others that already have established research such as Tudca which helps to remove bile. And one that nobody had was pikroliv which is now used by nephrologists because it actually regenerates liver cells. This is shit that most supplement makers have no idea about.

More to come (as long as he keeps replying). Contact me with questions.

You can buy N2Guard HERE (click it)
 
In regards to testing, anecdotal testing has been done extensively with N2Guard. I've personally seen around 100+ bloodwork panels before and after n2guard use, liver values were much better after ALT/AST. Creatinine and kidney values were much better after too. My view is what is needed in more detail is cholesterol support.

I have suggested a new formula to N2BM that I'm formulating for liver support that has fully built in cholesterol support basis, I hope they take me up on the offer. I submitted it already. Lets hope, in time, my formula, which is more advanced than n2guard, will become the new n2guard in the industry. I'm here to help guys use cycle support properly with new formulas and new methods.

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I like this interview but did nelson get into the details about why he said "bye" and left?

He said bye because he doesn't understand how the new generation X/Z guys operate and how the discussion flows. It is up to him to adapt and learn.
 
He said bye because he doesn't understand how the new generation X/Z guys operate and how the discussion flows. It is up to him to adapt and learn.

I think he said bye because he couldn't take the heat. He wanted to start shit then to moderate all bros who disagree with him.
 
This is a good interview but I wish it was the old Nelson with thick skin and heart that I used to respect and love.
 
I like what you are doing here but I thought he left the forum? seems like he is using the PM system to enrich himself without contributing back to the community and posting on the forum. That isn't what I was told when I became a moderator that was allowed. everyone should contribute equally, you don't get to take advantage of the forum and say how awful it is, but also stab us all in the back and take advantage of us either
 
bro Nelson not guy who developed n2guard, trevor kouritizian designed it. Nelson stole the formula while they were in bed affair. the story troo, confirmed with trevor. everyone gonna flame me saying i making it up, but trevor and me go way back from time working oil fields out west. he from alberta and i worked in montana same company drilling oil

Not one word of this is true. Not one.

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I like what you are doing here but I thought he left the forum? seems like he is using the PM system to enrich himself without contributing back to the community and posting on the forum. That isn't what I was told when I became a moderator that was allowed. everyone should contribute equally, you don't get to take advantage of the forum and say how awful it is, but also stab us all in the back and take advantage of us either

Re read what I typed. I contacted him. I'm asking the questions. Me. And I'm on the forum. Heck, we've had a bunch of people NOT on the forum on our podcasts. Same deal.

Plus you're NOT a moderator. Says so right there next to your name.

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In regards to testing, anecdotal testing has been done extensively with N2Guard. I've personally seen around 100+ bloodwork panels before and after n2guard use, liver values were much better after ALT/AST. Creatinine and kidney values were much better after too. My view is what is needed in more detail is cholesterol support.

I have suggested a new formula to N2BM that I'm formulating for liver support that has fully built in cholesterol support basis, I hope they take me up on the offer. I submitted it already. Lets hope, in time, my formula, which is more advanced than n2guard, will become the new n2guard in the industry. I'm here to help guys use cycle support properly with new formulas and new methods.

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He said bye because he doesn't understand how the new generation X/Z guys operate and how the discussion flows. It is up to him to adapt and learn.

That'll be interesting to see.

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I asked him about his spell at T-Mag aka Testosterone.net
Yes, I meant TC. T-mag wasn't in an office. The internet was new and we were all working from home, though I'd get together with some of the guys on the east coast -- Dan, Charles Polliquin, et al. All had a quirky aspect to their personality. I really liked some of the guys, though some of the science guys in the industry were monumental dicks with monumental egos to match. I was hired for my perspective -- which was as a historian and expert on training principles, but it was "Steroids For Health" that put me, and the site, on the map. (Even though I was never a big juicer). The original premise of the site was to be a men's magazine that spoke openly about bodybuilding and steroids and TC wanted everyone to contribute on a variety of topics. Unfortunately, most of the other guys couldn't write about any topic besides bodybuilding.

Meanwhile, I went all out and started writing about everything from film, technology to politics -- and that kinda backfired because it made me look like a co-editor and TC didn't like that. I was originally promised a partnership, and then it was reneged becasue TC did an about face and just wanted to be a site that sold supplements, and...well, we went our separate ways.


Having published a small magazine myself (MuscleMob - hence my online name) and writing to and swapping subscriptions with other magazines (MuscleMag, The Beef etc) I'm all to familiar with the simple fact that magazines cannot survive, even online, without those supplement adverts.

I'm gonna dig and see if we can get him to spill some stories on Dan Duchaine
 
I was hired for my perspective -- which was as a historian and expert on training principles, but it was "Steroids For Health" that put me, and the site, on the map.

bro historian but thinks EQ and tren vet drugs :rolleyes:
bro training principles but has smaller biceps then my 11 year old son :confused:

bro they probably hired him cause he the only person that wanted job and he probaly begged them.. like that kid in high school who begs to be waterboy for football team adn they let him do it cause they feel bad.

this interview should be comedy skitch, send in to SNL. keep going, this shit is funny
 
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I actually do like the products they are very good wether on or off cycle
 
Not one word of this is true. Not one.

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Re read what I typed. I contacted him. I'm asking the questions. Me. And I'm on the forum. Heck, we've had a bunch of people NOT on the forum on our podcasts. Same deal.

Plus you're NOT a moderator. Says so right there next to your name.

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That'll be interesting to see.

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I asked him about his spell at T-Mag aka Testosterone.net
Yes, I meant TC. T-mag wasn't in an office. The internet was new and we were all working from home, though I'd get together with some of the guys on the east coast -- Dan, Charles Polliquin, et al. All had a quirky aspect to their personality. I really liked some of the guys, though some of the science guys in the industry were monumental dicks with monumental egos to match. I was hired for my perspective -- which was as a historian and expert on training principles, but it was "Steroids For Health" that put me, and the site, on the map. (Even though I was never a big juicer). The original premise of the site was to be a men's magazine that spoke openly about bodybuilding and steroids and TC wanted everyone to contribute on a variety of topics. Unfortunately, most of the other guys couldn't write about any topic besides bodybuilding.

Meanwhile, I went all out and started writing about everything from film, technology to politics -- and that kinda backfired because it made me look like a co-editor and TC didn't like that. I was originally promised a partnership, and then it was reneged becasue TC did an about face and just wanted to be a site that sold supplements, and...well, we went our separate ways.


Having published a small magazine myself (MuscleMob - hence my online name) and writing to and swapping subscriptions with other magazines (MuscleMag, The Beef etc) I'm all to familiar with the simple fact that magazines cannot survive, even online, without those supplement adverts.

I'm gonna dig and see if we can get him to spill some stories on Dan Duchaine

I would be interested in more Dan Duchaine discussion. I found Dan to be an industry leader before there were industry leaders.
 
bro historian but thinks EQ and tren vet drugs :rolleyes:
bro training principles but has smaller biceps then my 11 year old son :confused:

bro they probably hired him cause he the only person that wanted job and he probaly begged them.. like that kid in high school who begs to be waterboy for football team adn they let him do it cause they feel bad.

this interview should be comedy skitch, send in to SNL. keep going, this shit is funny

Remember what admin told you? Need a reminder?
 
This is great stuff. Love N2Guard and have been using it for years.

The idea that Trevor designed it is funny......I like the dude but he was probably 13 years old when N2Guard came out.
 
On the changes at T-Mag:
The thing with me and TC was more a matter of my role becoming diminished in favor of people who were bigger ass kissers. And honestly, I was doing a lot of work as a musician (and part time work as an actor) and the bodybuilding stuff was feeling old and stale so ...it all worked out for the best.

On me arguing with the creator of a video on what Clickbait is:
Wilt Chamberlin the world's strongest man? Some shit is so silly you just have to ignore it. (If it doesn't effect you directly).

On, as per another post (and comments here) how knowledge doesn't always mean huge muscles
As for the writing -- yeah, Flex magazine had some terrific writers! Really, really talented people. But they weren't necessarily experts in bodybuilding or had great physiques.

Back to Muscle Media and those times:
Then there are the chemistry nerds (an ironic off-shoot from the Muscle Media crowd) who loved the topic of drugs and nutrient manipulation and the biology of muscle growth but knew nothing about how to best use drugs, they didn't diet , didn't lift and looked like shit. Anthony Roberts is a guy a lot of people hated because he was so gruff but I thought he was smart as hell. Meanwhile, Lyle McDonald is a fat fuck with the mentality of an 11 year old. Bill Roberts was a horrible person. The nicest guy I ever met was Robert Kennedy from MuscleMag. A true gentleman. Total class.

I'll add that Bob Kennedy was a top fella. He once sent me £100 to give away as a prize for a challenge at a seminar I did (grip strength related).

On Dan Duchaine:
Dan was a character. He was a curious intellectual guy who was more intrigued with the POSSIBILITY of muscle growth than actually working out. I think he liked me because I had a common sense/creative approach to steroids, though he also liked the guys who knew the chemistry because he himself was self taught in that area and felt he could learn from them. (Even though some were real douchebags) I did a radio interview a few years back with some of the other guys in the industry who knew him and they talked about his obsession with porn and suicide shit like that. I just said that everyone has their dark side and that at face value, Dan was a good guy who made a name for himself (aided by Bill Phillips who gave him the title of "The Steroid Guru".) by having the guts to do something that was never before attempted. He spoke about these drugs for cosmetic purposes and as common as that may be now, it was a huge innovation at the time. Oddly enough, A LOT of what he said was wrong. But...he was the first to do it. And that deserves props.

That last comment is interesting. Guys here accuse Nelson of not being with it and yet we had a post just this week talking about how dosing opinions on one item have changed
 
The idea that Trevor designed it is funny......I like the dude but he was probably 13 years old when N2Guard came out.

bro that what make it even more disturbing story. imagine difference in age between the two. ewwwwwww.
 
bro that what make it even more disturbing story. imagine difference in age between the two. ewwwwwww.

Try not making up the stories then. Or listening to stupid shit
 
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