Adding Proviron to TRT

[ElevenBravo77]

Hey guys,

I've been on TRT for close to 2 years now. Yes, it was doctor prescribed but I have recently dropped my doc and am self-administering. Doc had me at 150mg a week but I felt like I was running higher than needed. I've gotten it dialed in on my own and 75mg a week puts my test levels around 800 5 days after injection.

I've put on more body fat than ever the past couple years but have recently dropped down close to 15%. I've thought about blasting once I'm back down to 10-12%.

I'd like some opinions on adding Proviron to my TRT now. I know it's pretty mild and doesn't aromatize so the sides are minimal. Would there be much benefit or should I wait until I have dropped some more fat?

Here are my stats:
5' 9"
185 lbs
15-17% bf

15 years of lifting, off and on due to injury. No AAS use other than TRT. Currently on a moderate cut looking to drop another 5% bf while maintaining or gaining a little muscle.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Tell us more about your current training routine and diet...

 

[dylangemelli]

you can add it, yes... i wouldnt stay on it too long.. 12-14 weeks at a time but ive done it several times on trt with no issue whatsoever

 

[ElevenBravo77]

I have been lifting pretty solid for last 5 years without injury. I train 4-5 days a week ranging from heavy sets of 3-5 to hypertrophy sets of 8-12.

I wouldn't consider myself really strong but for a normal 42 year old guy I'd say I'm fairly average.

Bench 275
Deadlift 385
Squat 305

Haven't tried to add much more weight on squat and deadlift because of previous lower back injury.

I recently got back on IF and don't count calories. I eat in 4-6 window daily and it consists of mostly lean protein, green veggies and complex carbs. I did backslide a little during the holidays eating a little junk food but I'm back in line now.

 

[buddhabuilder]

I agree with Dylan as far as length of time. I’ve used Proviron for 12 week cycles while on trt and really noticed the increase in free Testosterone in the facts that I got leaner and had higher libido...

 

[P0N]

You can definitely run Proviron on TRT, just don't stay on it perpetually.

 

[ElevenBravo77]

Thanks guys, definitely don't plan on staying on it too long. I was thinking of running 50mg for 10-12 weeks.

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Thanks guys, definitely don't plan on staying on it too long. I was thinking of running 50mg for 10-12 weeks.

That's 50mg a day, obviously.

 

[P0N]

That sounds perfectly fine

 

[harrywho]

It may or may not reduce Ur estrogen too much, that's the only thing I can think of. That's very person specific.

I think that's why some love proviron and say its killer for libido and others dnt have much great to say about it in that department.

Add in 6 weeks tbol 50mg.
Or 10 weeks anavar.
If u wanted.
Would be great addition with no worries about estro and fuk all sides.

 

[Nismo99]

If someone is on TRT where suppression and rebound of natural T is a non-issue, what is the reasoning behind not running Proviron indefinitely along with the TRT? Proviron is not liver toxic at all at therapeutic doses from everything I've read.

 

[ElevenBravo77]

It may or may not reduce Ur estrogen too much, that's the only thing I can think of. That's very person specific.

I think that's why some love proviron and say its killer for libido and others dnt have much great to say about it in that department.

Never had any issues with libido. My wife has been complaining since I got on TRT because I was already a horny mofo lol.

Even at 75mg test a week, I'm taking 10mg Aromasin eod to keep my estrogen in check. If I do add proviron I'll probably reduce or stop Aromasin for a few weeks and get bloods.

Add in 6 weeks tbol 50mg.
Or 10 weeks anavar.
If u wanted.
Would be great addition with no worries about estro and fuk all sides.

I've thought about throwing some other things in the mix but I know a lot of people are against AAS at 15+% body fat. I know steroids aren't for weight loss but what I really need is something to help with energy levels and muscle maintenance while I'm cutting this last 5% bf.

Once I hit 10-12%, I think I'm going to run a test only blast at 300mg for 12 weeks. I know I'll add some fat and water weight so I really want to cut this fat first.

 

[harrywho]

Never had any issues with libido. My wife has been complaining since I got on TRT because I was already a horny mofo lol.

Even at 75mg test a week, I'm taking 10mg Aromasin eod to keep my estrogen in check. If I do add proviron I'll probably reduce or stop Aromasin for a few weeks and get bloods.



I've thought about throwing some other things in the mix but I know a lot of people are against AAS at 15+% body fat. I know steroids aren't for weight loss but what I really need is something to help with energy levels and muscle maintenance while I'm cutting this last 5% bf.

Once I hit 10-12%, I think I'm going to run a test only blast at 300mg for 12 weeks. I know I'll add some fat and water weight so I really want to cut this fat first.

Don't listen to everyone. Depends on the individual.
In Ur case if ur eating clean, doing what Ur doing, lots of cardio n stuff it will only help shed body fat.

Lets be real adding anavar or tbol will deff give you energy and drive to smash it harder, you'll get better results all round. Just eat clean, do cardio with every training session.

Its not like Ur adding drol or dbol and gonna eat burgers like I hear some people do...

That's my 2 cents. With what you've told me, and my advice for you specifically, I'd say go for it. Tbol the cheaper option.
You'll really see some changes then, compared with just proviron alone.

And if u already need ai at that test dose maybe don't adjust the ai... See how u go. But at least with tbol or anavar that won't have any effect on estro so u can still get bloods and see what the proviron is doing to estrogen If much of anything. But yeh proviron will lower shbg so more free test which may mean more estrogen. So just leave Ur ai dose n see.

 

[harrywho]

And my other thought was, if ur dialed in nicely on trt at 75mg and ai, Id prob not worry about trying 300 test... You'll have to fuk with Ur ai dose... Hormones will swing... And test doesn't produce that much results really... Like, if ur hormones are awesome and level, just throw in non aromatising compounds and leave Ur trt dose.
So tren, tbol, Anavar, umm winstrol...

That's my other 2 cents. See how u go.

 

[ElevenBravo77]

Don't listen to everyone. Depends on the individual.
In Ur case if ur eating clean, doing what Ur doing, lots of cardio n stuff it will only help shed body fat.

Lets be real adding anavar or tbol will deff give you energy and drive to smash it harder, you'll get better results all round. Just eat clean, do cardio with every training session.

Its not like Ur adding drol or dbol and gonna eat burgers like I hear some people do...

That's my 2 cents. With what you've told me, and my advice for you specifically, I'd say go for it. Tbol the cheaper option.
You'll really see some changes then, compared with just proviron alone.

And if u already need ai at that test dose maybe don't adjust the ai... See how u go. But at least with tbol or anavar that won't have any effect on estro so u can still get bloods and see what the proviron is doing to estrogen If much of anything. But yeh proviron will lower shbg so more free test which may mean more estrogen. So just leave Ur ai dose n see.

Thanks bro, I may look into adding some Tbol.

I definitely train hard and I eat pretty clean. When I do have some less healthy foods, they are home cooked to keep it as clean as possible. My "cheat" meals are 93% lean hamburger, hot wings, sweet potato fries (both in air fryer, no oil), things like that.

I take my health and fitness seriously but I think you have to enjoy life and food as well. I'm not a chicken breast and broccoli for every single meal kind of guy. I limit sugar intake, stay away from processed foods and watch unhealthy fats. It works for me. I may never get to 6-8% body fat eating this way but that's not my goal.

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And my other thought was, if ur dialed in nicely on trt at 75mg and ai, Id prob not worry about trying 300 test... You'll have to fuk with Ur ai dose... Hormones will swing... And test doesn't produce that much results really... Like, if ur hormones are awesome and level, just throw in non aromatising compounds and leave Ur trt dose.
So tren, tbol, Anavar, umm winstrol...

That's my other 2 cents. See how u go.

I'll give this some thought as well. It seems the general recommendation is always a test only cycle/blast.

 

[buddhabuilder]

If someone is on TRT where suppression and rebound of natural T is a non-issue, what is the reasoning behind not running Proviron indefinitely along with the TRT? Proviron is not liver toxic at all at therapeutic doses from everything I've read.

As with anything, diminishing returns with tolerance...

 

[harrywho]

Thanks bro, I may look into adding some Tbol.

I definitely train hard and I eat pretty clean. When I do have some less healthy foods, they are home cooked to keep it as clean as possible. My "cheat" meals are 93% lean hamburger, hot wings, sweet potato fries (both in air fryer, no oil), things like that.

I take my health and fitness seriously but I think you have to enjoy life and food as well. I'm not a chicken breast and broccoli for every single meal kind of guy. I limit sugar intake, stay away from processed foods and watch unhealthy fats. It works for me. I may never get to 6-8% body fat eating this way but that's not my goal.

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I'll give this some thought as well. It seems the general recommendation is always a test only cycle/blast.

Sounds pretty good man.

Well, ur on trt... So you're on test. U could leave Ur trt as is... And say run 200 to 400 tren, 50mg tbol. That's a blast and that's good.
If u run 400 tren .25 caber e3d. And no ups and downs with estrogen.
Test doesn't have to be hi to make amazing gains and look great.
Tren and other compounds will bring all that.

You could experiment with test only 500, but you'd throw Ur balanced trt out of whack while experimenting with the right ai dose. And you'd get much less gains than the above. And most likely much more sides if u have estro swings. That's all.