Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
Research Chemical SciencesUGFREAKeudomestic
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsResearch Chemical SciencesUGFREAKeudomestic

Approved Log AE1079s Testosterone - Masteron - Primobolan - HGH - Insulin Log

Ran into some water retention yesterday,

Had a high carb day of 650g.

Lantus at 30iu in the morning
Novorapid 8IU PRE AND POST

Had some more fats later towards the night but I think the fast acting insulin was still present and felt like I definitely stored it within fat cells which has never happened

So learn from this, fats need to be low when insulin is present or you will store excess water in fat cells. It will remove itself after a day + gh being present will speed up that process.
@AE1079 650grams of carbs, what did you end up eating?

I think if you train hard the fats wont be stored, even with insulin.
You have how much hgh in there today?
 
@AE1079 650grams of carbs, what did you end up eating?

I think if you train hard the fats wont be stored, even with insulin.
You have how much hgh in there today?
I ate more so high sodium.

Potatoes, rice, bread, maltodextrin, cereal and some honey
5IU

Tomorrow I’m fasting till 12 as I do every Sunday, to give my digestive system a little reset with some cardio, down to 3IU hgh tomorrow with no insulin.

4L water
 
I ate more so high sodium.

Potatoes, rice, bread, maltodextrin, cereal and some honey
5IU

Tomorrow I’m fasting till 12 as I do every Sunday, to give my digestive system a little reset with some cardio, down to 3IU hgh tomorrow with no insulin.

4L water
@AE1079 honey is perfect, I have multiple clients eating manuka with training

how about potatoes you doing sweet potatoes ?

and 5/2 on hgh?
 
@AE1079 honey is perfect, I have multiple clients eating manuka with training

how about potatoes you doing sweet potatoes ?

and 5/2 on hgh?
Sweet potatoes man yes,

Nah gh everyday, the 5/2 is a outdated practise back in the day as gh was so expensive, so they took two days off to save money 😵, much more affordable now so easy to run it everyday
 
I would talk to you no problem. When I do go commercial gym. They not even look at me. I must look like a mean bastard but I'm soft as butter
Probably judging you thinking all the wrong things about you, I know people have said I look like and A-Hole and intense from a far in the gym, then they talk with me and go wow you are so nice and genuine I'm sorry for judging u without talking with u lol.
 
Sweet potatoes man yes,

Nah gh everyday, the 5/2 is a outdated practise back in the day as gh was so expensive, so they took two days off to save money 😵, much more affordable now so easy to run it everyday
I am glad I caught this post in your log because I was gonna do the 5/2 split instead of everyday.
 
I am glad I caught this post in your log because I was gonna do the 5/2 split instead of everyday.
It’s honestly just a more economical way to use gh, I feel like rest days you can bring it down to half of your dose pre bed only and that can also save you some IUs but taking it out completely for two days isn’t worth it.
 
Sweet potatoes man yes,

Nah gh everyday, the 5/2 is a outdated practise back in the day as gh was so expensive, so they took two days off to save money 😵, much more affordable now so easy to run it everyday
@AE1079 5/2 is actually for receptor sensitivity but if it works better for you, go for that. Why not? :) I'm all for hardcore guys doing it high.
 
@AE1079 5/2 is actually for receptor sensitivity but if it works better for you, go for that. Why not? :) I'm all for hardcore guys doing it high.
Can you show me a study to prove the 5:2 method? I feel like this has been debunked now years ago, Would love to see it. GH is sensitised through the presence of carbs of insulin if I’m not mistaken, and taking insulin or having a carb meal can reset the sensitivity?
 
The 5:2 method was also for all gh releasing peptides to reduce the pituitary from being exhausted,the only way thing I can think of also put do economical reasons is to reduce blood sugar, even then, taking exogenous gh everyday I think won’t create any gh anti bodies in 99.9% genetically unique individuals, if someone has never been exposed to GH endogenously where the body fails to recognise as it self, then I would say a individual would be insensitive. I would agree that there is a ceiling of a dose that you shouldn’t have to go past, as taking more becomes ineffective, and no more IGF1 can be converted. Splitting up the dose instead of taking huge bolus amounts would mitigate this, insulin can re sensitise these receptors acutely, taking exogenous insulin or eating a carb meal will deal with saturation of the GHR. Allowing you to reset the GHR saturation point. Again which can be done acutely.
 
Can you show me a study to prove the 5:2 method? I feel like this has been debunked now years ago, Would love to see it. GH is sensitised through the presence of carbs of insulin if I’m not mistaken, and taking insulin or having a carb meal can reset the sensitivity?
The 5:2 method was also for all gh releasing peptides to reduce the pituitary from being exhausted,the only way thing I can think of also put do economical reasons is to reduce blood sugar, even then, taking exogenous gh everyday I think won’t create any gh anti bodies in 99.9% genetically unique individuals, if someone has never been exposed to GH endogenously where the body fails to recognise as it self, then I would say a individual would be insensitive. I would agree that there is a ceiling of a dose that you shouldn’t have to go past, as taking more becomes ineffective, and no more IGF1 can be converted. Splitting up the dose instead of taking huge bolus amounts would mitigate this, insulin can re sensitise these receptors acutely, taking exogenous insulin or eating a carb meal will deal with saturation of the GHR. Allowing you to reset the GHR saturation point. Again which can be done acutely.
@AE1079 good points you are making but the question is the opposite, I think you mentioned that the 5/2 has been debunked but I dont see how. There is a lot less side effects with 5/2 use that from anecdotal experience but of course 7 day courses for ifbb pros and big guys are fine.
 
Previously 5:2 came out of the community and was previously said that this was due to becoming insensitive towards the gh, this has been debunked by science. Cascading down the chain of GH taken exogenously, we see no evidence of saturation of the the target receptor (GHR), doesn’t work the same as the AR in that case. But really the real reason why this was done like this is to save money, back in the 90s bodybuilders couldn’t even get their hands on pharma gh and was like gold.

To some extent I do agree with a day break to relieve some of the side effects of numbness and water retention caused, it can be quite annoying hard to manage depending on lifestyle. I remember chase irons saying he was taking the full shot of 18IU before bed as per the Genotropin panflet and couldn’t take the sides… had to take a day off. I feel 2-4 IU is pretty well tolerated amongst our community, anything more we can run into issues such as these and higher blood sugar, blood pressure, depending on the individual. I’m finding 5-6IU to be tolerable at this point. Don’t know how some people do more then 6IU per day !
 
Previously 5:2 came out of the community and was previously said that this was due to becoming insensitive towards the gh, this has been debunked by science. Cascading down the chain of GH taken exogenously, we see no evidence of saturation of the the target receptor (GHR), doesn’t work the same as the AR in that case. But really the real reason why this was done like this is to save money, back in the 90s bodybuilders couldn’t even get their hands on pharma gh and was like gold.

To some extent I do agree with a day break to relieve some of the side effects of numbness and water retention caused, it can be quite annoying hard to manage depending on lifestyle. I remember chase irons saying he was taking the full shot of 18IU before bed as per the Genotropin panflet and couldn’t take the sides… had to take a day off. I feel 2-4 IU is pretty well tolerated amongst our community, anything more we can run into issues such as these and higher blood sugar, blood pressure, depending on the individual. I’m finding 5-6IU to be tolerable at this point. Don’t know how some people do more then 6IU per day !
@AE1079 I think its all related to experience, big guys like you with experience thats one thing but most users would 5/2
 
Interesting, even as let's say a 2IU dose ?
@AE1079 most clients I have I have them rest from HGH, long term over the years i see the sides benefits
 
The 5:2 method was also for all gh releasing peptides to reduce the pituitary from being exhausted,the only way thing I can think of also put do economical reasons is to reduce blood sugar, even then, taking exogenous gh everyday I think won’t create any gh anti bodies in 99.9% genetically unique individuals, if someone has never been exposed to GH endogenously where the body fails to recognise as it self, then I would say a individual would be insensitive. I would agree that there is a ceiling of a dose that you shouldn’t have to go past, as taking more becomes ineffective, and no more IGF1 can be converted. Splitting up the dose instead of taking huge bolus amounts would mitigate this, insulin can re sensitise these receptors acutely, taking exogenous insulin or eating a carb meal will deal with saturation of the GHR. Allowing you to reset the GHR saturation point. Again which can be done acutely.
Exactly! I dislike lantus IM or subq because of the long half life so my hgh protocol is: IV AM precardio +6 hours IM preworkout +1 hour Insulin IV after warmup + drink intra 10g or more per IU ( I start drinking during warmup and I drink over half by the halfway point of my session. I try and finish a quarter before the first set.) I finish my intra before the last exercise then I do 15min treadmill and then eat my post worky meal then IV insulin and IV hgh. +4 hours IM HGH prebed. when going above 10-12 IU this has been game changing and keeping watere retention in check. I keep the pre and post doses close because as you said the insulin resets the GHR allowing less down time.
 
Should probably do a update soon haha
Current macros:
Protein: 320g
Carbs: 830g
Fat:60g

Weight: 121kg
Screenshot_20240229_222917_Instagram.jpg
 
My macros today where similar
525 P 540c 60~ f I am not sure but espresso has like around .5g of fat per shot so that's why the ~
 
Back
Top Bottom