Another guy freaking out about gyno thread.

[Conqueeftador69]

Hi guys

I've just came off my third cycle (6 weeks ago), completed pct (2 weeks ago) and suddenly i've noticed a flare up in the nips like never before, small nodules under both. I did labs at the end of my pct (2 weeks ago) and all my levels (test, prolactin, E2) were normal. And within the last two weeks is when they've flared up. I'm going to run some more labs this week to see if anything has changed but I was hoping someone might have any advice in the meantime, I'm slightly confused how I have sudden gyno flare up when all levels seem normal. Below is some further info that might help. Thanks!


I've always had a bit of gyno since I was a kid (fatty tissue, never hard nodules). None of my cycles have ever been too crazy, e.g my last cycle was 12 wks 400mg test, 400mg EQ with a touch of anavar at the end.

Visually you can tell, the nipples protrude and the lumps are like little peas, they don't hurt however.

29 y/o
6ft2
220lbs
13% BF


Thanks in advance for any help.

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+ I've continued to run nolva at 40mg a day even after pct to try combat this.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hi guys

I've just came off my third cycle (6 weeks ago), completed pct (2 weeks ago) and suddenly i've noticed a flare up in the nips like never before, small nodules under both. I did labs at the end of my pct (2 weeks ago) and all my levels (test, prolactin, E2) were normal. And within the last two weeks is when they've flared up. I'm going to run some more labs this week to see if anything has changed but I was hoping someone might have any advice in the meantime, I'm slightly confused how I have sudden gyno flare up when all levels seem normal. Below is some further info that might help. Thanks!


I've always had a bit of gyno since I was a kid (fatty tissue, never hard nodules). None of my cycles have ever been too crazy, e.g my last cycle was 12 wks 400mg test, 400mg EQ with a touch of anavar at the end.

Visually you can tell, the nipples protrude and the lumps are like little peas, they don't hurt however.

29 y/o
6ft2
220lbs
13% BF


Thanks in advance for any help.

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+ I've continued to run nolva at 40mg a day even after pct to try combat this.

I would keep using nolvadex 40mgs ed and redo blood work. BUT you can have a real issues with diet and training causing estrogen E2 issues via feedback.

I would like to see your LOG journal of your off cycle training, cardio, diet, supplements exactly what you're eating and what you're training like and supplementing like, we need to see it in detail.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your diet, training details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/
top left, you see: +POST NEW THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Diet Training post cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/s-gentz-cycle-training-log-86383.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/first-time-tren-log-87653.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-revenge-transformation-log-2023-a-88570.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log-86174.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/contest-peak-cycle-year-85007.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-cycle!-84662.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/summer-bulking-cycle-85543.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/lefr34k-s-training-log-85141.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/pigsy-s-training-log-83248.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/echos-hgh-log-cycle-85429.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/my-cycle-log-85538.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/dozers-journey-stage-cycle-84184.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/s-gentz-contest-prep-log-87619.html

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi guys

I've just came off my third cycle (6 weeks ago), completed pct (2 weeks ago) and suddenly i've noticed a flare up in the nips like never before, small nodules under both. I did labs at the end of my pct (2 weeks ago) and all my levels (test, prolactin, E2) were normal. And within the last two weeks is when they've flared up. I'm going to run some more labs this week to see if anything has changed but I was hoping someone might have any advice in the meantime, I'm slightly confused how I have sudden gyno flare up when all levels seem normal. Below is some further info that might help. Thanks!


I've always had a bit of gyno since I was a kid (fatty tissue, never hard nodules). None of my cycles have ever been too crazy, e.g my last cycle was 12 wks 400mg test, 400mg EQ with a touch of anavar at the end.

Visually you can tell, the nipples protrude and the lumps are like little peas, they don't hurt however.

29 y/o
6ft2
220lbs
13% BF


Thanks in advance for any help.

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+ I've continued to run nolva at 40mg a day even after pct to try combat this.

Welcome to evolutionary.org!

Looks like we've got a case of pesky gyno to deal with. It's never a great feeling to notice small nodules under your nips, especially after completing a decent cycle and post cycle therapy (PCT). But fear not my friend, we'll get to the bottom of this.

First things first, it's great to hear that all your levels (test, prolactin, E2) were normal at the end of your PCT, although it's certainly curious that the flare up has only occurred within the last two weeks. Running some more labs this week to see if anything has changed is definitely a step in the right direction.

Now, as you mentioned, you've always had a bit of gyno since you were a kid due to fatty tissue. However, this seems to be a different story with hard nodules popping up out of nowhere. It's possible that the nodules were always there but have only become more noticeable due to a decrease in the surrounding fatty tissue as a result of your cycle and PCT.

But let's not jump to conclusions just yet. The fact that you've mentioned your last cycle consisted of 12 weeks of 400mg test, 400mg EQ, and a touch of anavar could certainly be a contributing factor to the sudden gyno flare up. It's important to note that everyone's body reacts differently to different substances, even if your levels appear to be normal. It's possible that your body is simply more sensitive to estrogen, which could have manifested in the form of gyno nodules.

In any case, it's important to keep a Log Journal diary on evolutionary.org forums so we can actually asses the situation more clearly, please start the Log now.

 

[Mobster]

How long was your cycle cos you did a 4 week PCT

 

[25homes]

Hi guys

I've just came off my third cycle (6 weeks ago), completed pct (2 weeks ago) and suddenly i've noticed a flare up in the nips like never before, small nodules under both. I did labs at the end of my pct (2 weeks ago) and all my levels (test, prolactin, E2) were normal. And within the last two weeks is when they've flared up. I'm going to run some more labs this week to see if anything has changed but I was hoping someone might have any advice in the meantime, I'm slightly confused how I have sudden gyno flare up when all levels seem normal. Below is some further info that might help. Thanks!


I've always had a bit of gyno since I was a kid (fatty tissue, never hard nodules). None of my cycles have ever been too crazy, e.g my last cycle was 12 wks 400mg test, 400mg EQ with a touch of anavar at the end.

Visually you can tell, the nipples protrude and the lumps are like little peas, they don't hurt however.

29 y/o
6ft2
220lbs
13% BF


Thanks in advance for any help.

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+ I've continued to run nolva at 40mg a day even after pct to try combat this.

sure the nolva good that should take care of it...if not gonna need letro but its dangerous can shut down hard.. Id get some nolva and letro from @domestic-supply.com just to be safe

 

[dylangemelli]

What did you run for pct?

 

[Conqueeftador69]

Thanks for the advice, I'll start tracking everything and make a log!

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HCG for 10 days, 40mg nolva for 2 weeks then down to 20mg nolva for 2 weeks

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sure the nolva good that should take care of it...if not gonna need letro but its dangerous can shut down hard.. Id get some nolva and letro from @domestic-supply.com just to be safe

I have retro on hand just didn't want to start taking an AI if my E2 levels weren't especially high

 

[Conqueeftador69]

How long was your cycle cos you did a 4 week PCT

It was a 12 week cycle, all my cycles have ever been 12 weeks

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sure the nolva good that should take care of it...if not gonna need letro but its dangerous can shut down hard.. Id get some nolva and letro from @domestic-supply.com just to be safe

I have Letro on hand just didn't want to take an AI if my E2 levels aren't high

What did you run for pct?

10 days of HCG and 40mg of nolvadex for 2 weeks, then 20mg for 2 weeks

 

[stevesmi]

hcg is never to be ran in pct. that is a huge mistake that a lot of people make.

hcg can most certainly increase your chances of gyno

 

[Conqueeftador69]

hcg is never to be ran in pct. that is a huge mistake that a lot of people make.

hcg can most certainly increase your chances of gyno

Why is that? From my research it suggested that it's a good tool to help kickstart natural test production?

If that is the case it would make sense as to why I have gyno on this pct as it's the first time I've used it. I'm tempted to jump right on AI to help combat it? But I didn't want to until I was sure my e2 levels are high.... but e2 levels have to be high to be producing gyno symptoms right?

 

[Mobster]

For a 12 week cycle I'd do at least 2 more weeks. Look at our Perfect PCT sticky

 

[Conqueeftador69]

For a 12 week cycle I'd do at least 2 more weeks. Look at our Perfect PCT sticky

New to the forums, where can I find that? Thanks

 

[s.gentz]

New to the forums, where can I find that? Thanks

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[Conqueeftador69]

For a 12 week cycle I'd do at least 2 more weeks. Look at our Perfect PCT sticky

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

Wow...makes the Nolva only pct look awful

 

[stevesmi]

Why is that? From my research it suggested that it's a good tool to help kickstart natural test production?

If that is the case it would make sense as to why I have gyno on this pct as it's the first time I've used it. I'm tempted to jump right on AI to help combat it? But I didn't want to until I was sure my e2 levels are high.... but e2 levels have to be high to be producing gyno symptoms right?

whoever said that hcg 'kickstarts natural test production' is either trying to sell you hcg or they are fucking morons lol .. i will explain why

hcg mimics LH so it will signal your pituitary glands to stay shut down. it does NOT kickstart a damn thing man. all it does is signal your leydig cells to start producing more test which then converts to estrogen. what a great idea right? except it isn't. that feedback loop will prevent your body from even recovering. essentially you are just staying on hormones and delaying recovery.

here is the thing. because their balls plump on it and you feel better on it, people assume that it is doing great things in your body. but it isn't at all man. quite the contrary. you notice the people who push hcg for pct all have 1 thing in common right? they are all on TRT for life. obviously their strategy failed

people who are pushing hcg for pct in my mind are criminally negligent and very very stupid people for misleading people just to make a sale

 

[Conqueeftador69]

For a 12 week cycle I'd do at least 2 more weeks. Look at our Perfect PCT sticky

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

whoever said that hcg 'kickstarts natural test production' is either trying to sell you hcg or they are fucking morons lol .. i will explain why

hcg mimics LH so it will signal your pituitary glands to stay shut down. it does NOT kickstart a damn thing man. all it does is signal your leydig cells to start producing more test which then converts to estrogen. what a great idea right? except it isn't. that feedback loop will prevent your body from even recovering. essentially you are just staying on hormones and delaying recovery.

here is the thing. because their balls plump on it and you feel better on it, people assume that it is doing great things in your body. but it isn't at all man. quite the contrary. you notice the people who push hcg for pct all have 1 thing in common right? they are all on TRT for life. obviously their strategy failed

That makes sense.. definitely explains the sudden gyno. Would you recommend I take an AI right away (Letrozole)? Even though my E2 levels were normal as of 2 weeks ago? Or wait to get labs done again this weekend. Thanks for the help

 

[Fatboy26]

You’re in safe hands brother. I was wondering how long to spent off in-between cycles. I made many mistakes many many years ago through ignorance and utter stupidity. I’m a different Person today though.
You’ll be just fine following these guys directive, just don’t leave it. Stay on top of it.

 

[stevesmi]

That makes sense.. definitely explains the sudden gyno. Would you recommend I take an AI right away (Letrozole)? Even though my E2 levels were normal as of 2 weeks ago? Or wait to get labs done again this weekend. Thanks for the help

so there are a few points on gyno

we know it is caused by estrogen BUT you don't have to have high estrogen levels to get it, you can simply be extremely sensitive to ANY amount of estrogen conversion. this is why teens get it who never touched steroids, but also adults too who get estrogen rebound etc.

your best bet is avoiding aromatizing compounds going forward, yes that includes test. the whole reason they invented other steroids that aromatize far less than test is for this reason. to limit estrogen

also when it comes to how to handle gyno my philosophy is simple. nip it in the bud right away at all costs. so yeah i would run an AI. nolva +letro is the #1 most succesful gyno treatment. but it can be harsh overall. but i would rather you feel moody or depressed for a few weeks then end up needing a 12K surgery to remove tits

 

[Conqueeftador69]

so there are a few points on gyno

we know it is caused by estrogen BUT you don't have to have high estrogen levels to get it, you can simply be extremely sensitive to ANY amount of estrogen conversion. this is why teens get it who never touched steroids, but also adults too who get estrogen rebound etc.

your best bet is avoiding aromatizing compounds going forward, yes that includes test. the whole reason they invented other steroids that aromatize far less than test is for this reason. to limit estrogen

also when it comes to how to handle gyno my philosophy is simple. nip it in the bud right away at all costs. so yeah i would run an AI. nolva +letro is the #1 most succesful gyno treatment. but it can be harsh overall. but i would rather you feel moody or depressed for a few weeks then end up needing a 12K surgery to remove tits

Great points. My next cycle I was planning on taking compounds that aromatize less, but the idea of not having a test base worries me.

When it comes to the letro, what would you recommend is a good course for gyno? 2.5mg ED for 10 days? My concern is then coming off and estrogen bounces back hard

Thanks for the help man

 

[big_rich]

I had gyno flare up from my last cycle. This was my first run with raloxefene. I had a nice size lump under my right nipple and it is almost completely gone. I am very happy with ralox and will continue using as my go to for gyno. Research it. Psl carries it also if you decide to give it a go.

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