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There are so, so many quality UGLs operating in Australia at the moment - has there ever been a time like this in Aus?

It also tells me that PED demand is at an all time high, which creates a large market to share from - would it be safe to assume that?
We're certainly spoiled for choice at the moment. If you go back a decade there were only a handful of well known labs - Anabolic Innovations (AI), Ministry of Steroids (MOS), and UGL OZ (the label) were the house hold names back then, then through the mid 2010s-2020 the two biggest online players in the Aus scene were Alphabeast and AusJuice (🤧). Alphabeast eventually got busted and AusJuice shut down in 2020 which meant a lot of labs were trying to capitalise on the gap left in the market. Unfortunately lots of scammers surfaced during that same period which sent the Aus domestic scene into a whirl wind with no one trusting anyone so it set the whole scene back and many labs failed to get any significant market share as a result. Although a couple of gems were born out of that period too such as Eagle1, Aussie Apex and @Shelby Corp.

Over the last 12 months in particular I think we've seen a huge influx of new labs and the Aussie scene is absolutely thriving again. The community is all banded together and there's also a professional etiquette amongst sources/labs. It's genuinely a small space so everyone knows everyone and the competition is great as it keeps us all accountable and honest and always striving to deliver the best we can. The space is big enough for everyone so we all prefer to prop each other up instead of bringing each other down. I haven't seen the Aus scene like ths in a very long time. Keen to see what the New Year has in store for us all :)

AJ
 
1) Are all UGL labs buying the steroid raw’s from the same company in China or is there various sellers each selling differing quality of raws? All the AUS sources currently seem to have great quality gear and you can buy from any of the members on here and know you’re getting good quality gear (This lead me to think of this question).

2) If a product is underdosed, in this instance we’ll use dbol, is this purely due to the supplier (in AUS - ‘Lab X’) incorrectly dosing the product, or is it possible for raws from china to be underdosed thus Lab X continues to make the compound as per normal however it ends up being underdosed.

Thanks.
 
1) Are all UGL labs buying the steroid raw’s from the same company in China or is there various sellers each selling differing quality of raws? All the AUS sources currently seem to have great quality gear and you can buy from any of the members on here and know you’re getting good quality gear (This lead me to think of this question).
There are a lot of suppliers in China but many of them act as agents and are sourcing from the same subset of manufacturing facilities. So while we're likely speaking to different reps / businesses, we're also likely to be accessing the same selection of raws from the handful of plants that are actively manufacturing them.

2) If a product is underdosed, in this instance we’ll use dbol, is this purely due to the supplier (in AUS - ‘Lab X’) incorrectly dosing the product, or is it possible for raws from china to be underdosed thus Lab X continues to make the compound as per normal however it ends up being underdosed.

Thanks.
There are some labs that will intentionally underdose their products in order to get more out of their raws and there are labs that are dosing completely accurately only later to find that the product falls short of the mark due to an issue with raw quality. There have been more than a few instances where I've fallen short of the mark - absolutely unintentionally and purely due to the quality of the raw - but I use that as a datapoint for subsequent batches and overdose accordingly to get it where it needs to be. The main thing is just being open and transparent and communicating these discrepancies to customers. This is why I publish all test results whether they're good or bad. I've found that the community is a lot more understanding if you're just up front with them. After all, we're operating in an unregulated market and raw quality is going to differ at the best of times, it's just the nature of the game. It's unrealistic to think everything is going to be perfect 100% of the time.

In saying that, with how convenient and readily available even simple PED test kits are, if you're intentionally underdosing a product and misleading customers then it won't be long until you're found out. Before Janoshik came along and the prevalence of our Aussie PED test kits, customers had to deal with the 'get bloods and trust me bro' or those notoriously unreliable Labmax kits. There's been a lot of advancements in at-home reagent testing and it's super easy to send off samples for HPLC testing if you're after a deeper analysis. I remember not too long ago that we were frothing at the ability to run something through mass-spec. Bottom line: if a lab is intentionally being shitty and underdosing their products, they're on borrowed time until the community eventually calls you out on it. We've come a long way in terms of testing.

AJ
 
There are a lot of suppliers in China but many of them act as agents and are sourcing from the same subset of manufacturing facilities. So while we're likely speaking to different reps / businesses, we're also likely to be accessing the same selection of raws from the handful of plants that are actively manufacturing them.


There are some labs that will intentionally underdose their products in order to get more out of their raws and there are labs that are dosing completely accurately only later to find that the product falls short of the mark due to an issue with raw quality. There have been more than a few instances where I've fallen short of the mark - absolutely unintentionally and purely due to the quality of the raw - but I use that as a datapoint for subsequent batches and overdose accordingly to get it where it needs to be. The main thing is just being open and transparent and communicating these discrepancies to customers. This is why I publish all test results whether they're good or bad. I've found that the community is a lot more understanding if you're just up front with them. After all, we're operating in an unregulated market and raw quality is going to differ at the best of times, it's just the nature of the game. It's unrealistic to think everything is going to be perfect 100% of the time.

In saying that, with how convenient and readily available even simple PED test kits are, if you're intentionally underdosing a product and misleading customers then it won't be long until you're found out. Before Janoshik came along and the prevalence of our Aussie PED test kits, customers had to deal with the 'get bloods and trust me bro' or those notoriously unreliable Labmax kits. There's been a lot of advancements in at-home reagent testing and it's super easy to send off samples for HPLC testing if you're after a deeper analysis. I remember not too long ago that we were frothing at the ability to run something through mass-spec. Bottom line: if a lab is intentionally being shitty and underdosing their products, they're on borrowed time until the community eventually calls you out on it. We've come a long way in terms of testing.

AJ
Not to mention IMed here in OZ can check bloods quite cheaply by giving us the ability to pick and choose what we want tested!! For instance I chose to test Testosterone by itself. Cost around $40 and 30 mins collecting bloods at the pathology place. Results emailed next day. Definitely confirmed the quality of product!
 
Not to mention IMed here in OZ can check bloods quite cheaply by giving us the ability to pick and choose what we want tested!! For instance I chose to test Testosterone by itself. Cost around $40 and 30 mins collecting bloods at the pathology place. Results emailed next day. Definitely confirmed the quality of product!
Absolutely correct my bro. Both iMed and Roidsafe.com.au are great options - both are super convenient and hassle free.

AJ
 
There are a lot of suppliers in China but many of them act as agents and are sourcing from the same subset of manufacturing facilities. So while we're likely speaking to different reps / businesses, we're also likely to be accessing the same selection of raws from the handful of plants that are actively manufacturing them.


There are some labs that will intentionally underdose their products in order to get more out of their raws and there are labs that are dosing completely accurately only later to find that the product falls short of the mark due to an issue with raw quality. There have been more than a few instances where I've fallen short of the mark - absolutely unintentionally and purely due to the quality of the raw - but I use that as a datapoint for subsequent batches and overdose accordingly to get it where it needs to be. The main thing is just being open and transparent and communicating these discrepancies to customers. This is why I publish all test results whether they're good or bad. I've found that the community is a lot more understanding if you're just up front with them. After all, we're operating in an unregulated market and raw quality is going to differ at the best of times, it's just the nature of the game. It's unrealistic to think everything is going to be perfect 100% of the time.

In saying that, with how convenient and readily available even simple PED test kits are, if you're intentionally underdosing a product and misleading customers then it won't be long until you're found out. Before Janoshik came along and the prevalence of our Aussie PED test kits, customers had to deal with the 'get bloods and trust me bro' or those notoriously unreliable Labmax kits. There's been a lot of advancements in at-home reagent testing and it's super easy to send off samples for HPLC testing if you're after a deeper analysis. I remember not too long ago that we were frothing at the ability to run something through mass-spec. Bottom line: if a lab is intentionally being shitty and underdosing their products, they're on borrowed time until the community eventually calls you out on it. We've come a long way in terms of testing.

AJ
On this note, I’m currently using the Stenabolic that tested a little low, and frankly it is still awesome, just seems to be such an awesome compound that the small under dose isn’t noticeable to me as the user, am still 100% happy with my purchase 👍
 
is primo something you believe is still widely faked or has over the years gotten better in terms of being the actual product due to many people being so hesitant to buy due to the scams?
 
On this note, I’m currently using the Stenabolic that tested a little low, and frankly it is still awesome, just seems to be such an awesome compound that the small under dose isn’t noticeable to me as the user, am still 100% happy with my purchase
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I hear you! I'm currently running the SR-9009 myself and getting absolutely shredded on it. It's the first time I've used it (and certainly won't be the last).
is primo something you believe is still widely faked or has over the years gotten better in terms of being the actual product due to many people being so hesitant to buy due to the scams?
Primo E raws are consistently in low supply and are one of the most expensive to source. It's a constant challenge getting any sizeable amount of it. My understanding is that it can only be manufactured in very specific (climate controlled) conditions too which adds to its rarity since these conditions make it a seasonal-based product in the regard. To secure stock for our Primo batches, I had to back order a cache of Primo E raws and waited almost 8 weeks for my full order to be fulfilled since there was very little available at the time - even at the time of my order finally being shipped out, our raws rep had estimated that there was lucky to be 20kg of it China-wide (at least through his connections at the major manufacturing plants that produces these Primo raws).

In saying that, I think people are naturally skeptical when it comes to Primo E because of how much of the fake stuff used to be in circulation. People are wise enough to that grift now that they'd only make this type of purchase from a reputable and credible source. Again this goes back to a $20 PED test, but that's how quick and easy it is to determine if your Primo is actually Primo: https://pedtestaustralia.com/product/primobolan-e/

So if someone is trying to pass Mast off as Primo like they would've done in the old days, they're going to get exposed very quickly. Consumers have a lot more in their arsenal in ways of testing methods than they did back in the day when the space was being flooded with counterfeit items.

But to answer your questions: Yes, Primo raws are still difficult to source and are expensive and can also be sold at a premium due to these factors - so that is generally enough of a motivator for scummy labs to try take advantage and turn a quick buck by selling something else as Primo but they wouldn't get away with it for long. Not like they were able to in the past at least.

AJ
 
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I hear you! I'm currently running the SR-9009 myself and getting absolutely shredded on it. It's the first time I've used it (and certainly won't be the last).

Primo E raws are consistently in low supply and are one of the most expensive to source. It's a constant challenge getting any sizeable amount of it. My understanding is that it can only be manufactured in very specific (climate controlled) conditions too which adds to its rarity since these conditions make it a seasonal-based product in the regard. To secure stock for our Primo batches, I had to back order a cache of Primo E raws and waited almost 8 weeks for my full order to be fulfilled since there was very little available at the time - even at the time of my order finally being shipped out, our raws rep had estimated that there was lucky to be 20kg of it China-wide (at least through his connections at the major manufacturing plants that produces these Primo raws).

In saying that, I think people are naturally skeptical when it comes to Primo E because of how much of the fake stuff used to be in circulation. People are wise enough to that grift now that they'd only make this type of purchase from a reputable and credible source. Again this goes back to a $20 PED test, but that's how quick and easy it is to determine if your Primo is actually Primo: https://pedtestaustralia.com/product/primobolan-e/

So if someone is trying to pass Mast off as Primo like they would've done in the old days, they're going to get exposed very quickly. Consumers have a lot more in their arsenal in ways of testing methods than they did back in the day when the space was being flooded with counterfeit items.

But to answer your questions: Yes, Primo raws are still difficult to source and are expensive and can also be sold at a premium due to these factors - so that is generally enough of a motivator for scummy labs to try take advantage and turn a quick buck by selling something else as Primo but they wouldn't get away with it for long. Not like they were able to in the past at least.

AJ
(And on the note of Primo), here are the HPLC results for our most recent batch if anyone is interested :)

Platinum Primobol 200Primo E @ 202.93 mg/mL (101%)View Report

AJ
 
Any of you guys think about doing a Test with no Benzyl Benzoate & no Benzyl Alcohol for those fragile people who think they might be sensitive to these chemicals?
 
1) I've found that Masteron has significantly grown in popularity. It was commonly only associated with cutting cycles, and while it does indeed shine in that department, many have come to realise that its benefits extend beyond just achieving a shredded physique and that the misconception that it's only effective at very low body fat percentages is not entirely true. Its ability to promote lean muscle mass with minimal side and the quality of the gains are not just solid but sustainable.
  1. Muscle Hardening: One of the primary benefits is its ability to enhance muscle hardness and density. It can provide a chiseled look to the muscles, making them appear more defined.
  2. Lean Muscle Mass: It can contribute to the development of lean muscle mass. While not as potent in terms of muscle gain as some other steroids, the quality of the muscle gained is often considered superior.
  3. Fat Loss: It can aid in fat loss, especially when combined with a calorie-controlled diet. Its impact on the reduction of body fat can contribute to a more sculpted physique.
  4. Minimal Water Retention: Unlike some other steroids, Masteron tends to cause minimal water retention. This means that the gains achieved during a cycle are more likely to be dry and lean.
  5. Estrogen Control: It has anti-estrogenic properties, meaning it can help control estrogen levels in the body. This can be particularly beneficial during cutting phases when estrogen-related water retention is a concern.
  6. Increased Strength: Users often report an increase in strength during mast cycles, contributing to more effective and intense workouts.
  7. Improved Endurance: Many will note an improvement in endurance and recovery, allowing for more extended and more productive training sessions.
  8. Mild Side Effects: Compared to some other steroids, Masteron tends to have fewer and milder side effects. This can make it a more tolerable option for some users.
What's also fascinating is that you're now seeing Mast being introduced into basic 'sports TRT' protocols and has applications beyond traditional bodybuilding contexts. Its versatility makes it a valuable tool for various fitness goals and is something that you're now seeing people run year round.

2) MENT (Trestolone Acetate) is also something I'm now hearing a lot more about and I've found a lot of people are chasing it as alternative to the regular 19nors options. It is highly anabolic which obviously means it's great for muscle growth but is also known for its positive impact on libido and sexual function - it can enhance sexual desire and performance. I've seen people refer to it as "Tren Lite" since you get many of the same benefits with less of the sides typically associated with Tren, though I suspect that depends mostly on the individual.

The production of HGH in China has seen a significant improvement, and the introduction of generics into the market has been a game-changer. What's particularly noteworthy is that these generic versions are not only more accessible but also surprisingly effective. They consistently perform well in tests and can hold their own against many of the pharmaceutical-grade items available, all while coming in at a fraction of the cost. The improvement in quality is exciting, especially considering that HGH has historically been associated with a hefty price tag. With these new generics entering the scene, users can now get their hands on HGH at a price point that was previously unimaginable.

Honestly, It's a game-changer for those looking to incorporate HGH into their routines without breaking the bank.

AJ
Your definately correct about ment! Its my favourite compound now. I did start getting bad gyno a week after taking it but i added masteron and the gyno disappeared completely. Currently running 25mg of ment eod with 400mg of masteron and 20mg of anavar daily and feel amazing no sides!
 
Good evening Evo brothers and sisters,

I saw one of the US sources posting something similar in the US section so I thought it would be a cool little way to get the discussions going in the Aussie section.

This is an AMA (Ask Me Anything). It can be anything related to products, what it's like being an Aussie based vendor or anything specific about our services and operations (within reason, obviously we can't disclose anything that would compromise our operational security or the likes), the Aus domestic steroid and training scene, or anything else you want to ask that you've never had the opportunity to in the past...

What's something you always wanted to ask a lab or other members of the Aussie community?

No question is a stupid question.... ask us anything! 💪

Hopefully some of the other awesome Aussie vendors are willing to contribute too...

@HybridLabs (Hybrid Labs)
@Genesis Labs (Genesis Labs)
@Evo Genetics (Evo Genetics)
@b.i.g. (Notorious Labs)
@Body_enhancements (Body Enhancements)
@AlphaLabs (Alpha Labs)
@Shelby Corp (Shelby Corp / Happy)
@package10 (Package10)

Plus all other members of the Aussie community.... let's get these discussions thriving ;)

AJ
Will you ever start selling ment bro? I no longer have a source and only have 1 vial left. I really think people should start looking into it instead of tren
 
Will you ever start selling ment bro? I no longer have a source and only have 1 vial left. I really think people should start looking into it instead of tren
Shelby has Ment 100mg I think is about $140
 
Any of you guys think about doing a Test with no Benzyl Benzoate & no Benzyl Alcohol for those fragile people who think they might be sensitive to these chemicals?
I wouldn't, no. Not only is it a solvent and the primary mechanism used to stabilise a formulation (it prevents batches from crashing), but it is also an excipient and intentionally used in these types of medical applications to help with absorption. You could get away with no BA but for what benefit? It's there to mitigate risks of bacterial growth. Personally I brew with ratios of 2/20 (2% BA / 20% BB) which is generally what's considered to be industry standard although you'll see marginal variations between some brewers every now and then (ie: 1/18). From the end user's perspective, they really wouldn't notice the difference.

But pretty much every standard brew is going to be made up of these 4 simple parts:

Raws, BB, BA and the carrier oil.

If there's actually people out there that are too fragile for BB/BA then they probably shouldn't be pinning at all :)

Will you ever start selling ment bro? I no longer have a source and only have 1 vial left. I really think people should start looking into it instead of tren

Definitely on the product road map brother. Will look at introducing it in the New Year.

AJ
 
I wouldn't, no. Not only is it a solvent and the primary mechanism used to stabilise a formulation (it prevents batches from crashing), but it is also an excipient and intentionally used in these types of medical applications to help with absorption. You could get away with no BA but for what benefit? It's there to mitigate risks of bacterial growth. Personally I brew with ratios of 2/20 (2% BA / 20% BB) which is generally what's considered to be industry standard although you'll see marginal variations between some brewers every now and then (ie: 1/18). From the end user's perspective, they really wouldn't notice the difference.

But pretty much every standard brew is going to be made up of these 4 simple parts:

Raws, BB, BA and the carrier oil.

If there's actually people out there that are too fragile for BB/BA then they probably shouldn't be pinning at all :)



Definitely on the product road map brother. Will look at introducing it in the New Year.

AJ

Regarding not using BB and BA, there is this vid of Vig Steve talking about using this & commenting that its like butter. Maybe it's like butter...... until it gives you an infection?
EDIT: Just listened again and sounds like the bottle is used within a week of brewing, so perhaps this reduces risk of infection.

 
Love this thread idea

- How often do you see seizure’s happen when posting goods ?
Are there certain times it’s more likely eg holiday periods or just at random as far as you can tell ?

- what’s the most amount of Oils someone has ordered in one go ?
(Always wows me the amount some order at once)
 
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