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[Tiger Salman Khan]

Welcome to evo....great start to the log............

 

[bigblue1377]

welcome to the evolutionary.org family! Glad you have been reading the forums and learning.

You look great the base is awesome. I'll try to answers your questions 1 by 1.

But before I do, this is just a START of your log you know that right? we need you to keep updating the weights for training as you train like bench press what weight what reps you did thats crucial to see how strong you get or weak. And diet will need to be updated as you go as diets dont stay the same.



300mgs testosterone is a good start 150mgs monday 150mgs thursday.



I would use 5mgs aromasin Monday 5mgs wed 5mgs friday thats all you need with 300mgs test.




Aromasin and ostarine not needed in pct, only use them week 1-2 of pct
aromasin 5mgs 2x/week week 1-2
ostarine 12.5mgs ed week 1-2
after drop them for week 3-6 of your pct and stay with clomid nolvadex hcgenerate



where did you hear that n2generate is not in stock (HCGenerate which is n2generate) is in stock on n2bm.com the original maker of it
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT-c37?product_id=82

lets get started on more log updates with weights and a lot more actual detail

Thanks for the advice, I'll edit the thread with those changes and implement them into the cycle as well as the PCT. As for the LOG, I will keep it updated once I start in about a month. I'll post some numbers up as well as changes to diet and blood work about a month into the cycle. Speaking of blood work, is there a recommended source that will hit all of the recommended markers?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Thanks for the advice, I'll edit the thread with those changes and implement them into the cycle as well as the PCT. As for the LOG, I will keep it updated once I start in about a month. I'll post some numbers up as well as changes to diet and blood work about a month into the cycle. Speaking of blood work, is there a recommended source that will hit all of the recommended markers?

dont edit the thread, only ADD New posts (as replies) to the thread, as editing will confuse new members and others watching your log, start posting your DIET and training updates now as replies

i would check steves or dylans threads i think dylan has letsgetchecked coupon so does steve

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for the advice, I'll edit the thread with those changes and implement them into the cycle as well as the PCT. As for the LOG, I will keep it updated once I start in about a month. I'll post some numbers up as well as changes to diet and blood work about a month into the cycle. Speaking of blood work, is there a recommended source that will hit all of the recommended markers?

check out my signature always for link to my bloodwork thread, it has a link to an article i wrote that tells you exactly what to get and has a link to where to get it and a coupon code.

here is the link https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/bloodwork-private-md-5695.html

 

[bigblue1377]

Looks like I can't make edits to the original thread so I'll just post updates here and probably a final version right before the start of the cycle. As of right now, I'll make the changes mentioned by NPCCclassic and I've also removed MK677 from my regimen and switched it to HGH 191aa gray tops 120 iu. I plan on started with 2 iu ED and possibly bumping up to 3. Few reasons why: my skin gets a little crazy when my hormones are tampered with, my sleep gets interrupted from years of being a first responder and waking up to calls in the middle of the night (even when not at work). I've read many books on sleep and have tried to optimize it best I can but can only do so much. The HGH will help get me quality sleep when I'm not at work. I'm also hoping it helps with appetite as I often have a difficult time putting down the food I need. If anyone has any thoughts or recommendations regarding this please let me know.

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Understood, thanks. Also thank you to everyone else for their questions, recommendations, and encouragement!

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dont edit the thread, only ADD New posts (as replies) to the thread, as editing will confuse new members and others watching your log, start posting your DIET and training updates now as replies

i would check steves or dylans threads i think dylan has letsgetchecked coupon so does steve

Understood, thanks. Also thank you to everyone else for their questions, recommendations, and encouragement!

(I'll get the hang of this forum thing eventually I promise lol)

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check out my signature always for link to my bloodwork thread, it has a link to an article i wrote that tells you exactly what to get and has a link to where to get it and a coupon code.

here is the link https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/bloodwork-private-md-5695.html

Awesome thank you. I just got blood work done recently and it all came back great. Will use your link for bloodwork when it's time.

 

[bigblue1377]

bros 300mgs test is a good cycle but diet needs fish oil and omega 3 fats

I'm currently taking a fish oil supplement post breakfast. Label states 2600 mg of fish oil, 750mg EPA, 750 DHA, and 150 DPA per 2 capsules. Recommendation is twice a day but I've only been doing it once per day. Do you recommend more than this?

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Replied to another user but: I'm currently taking a fish oil supplement post breakfast. Label states 2600 mg of fish oil, 750mg EPA, 750 DHA, and 150 DPA per 2 capsules. Recommendation is twice a day but I've only been doing it once per day. Do you recommend more than this? My sleep isn't the best due to work. Hoping the HGH can get my sleep on track for at least 6 months.

Supplements:

Athletic Greens
Vitamin D3
Fish Oil
Creatine HCl
Jocko Joint Warfare
Preworkout
Whey protein

 

[bigblue1377]

Agreed. Thats a lot of time in the gym and stress on the body. Could almost be cut in half. I don't think I'd be able to sustain that workload very long. I've found over the last few months that less is more.

Those are good numbers. But do less exercises per session

I'm definitely in the gym for a long time so I will try to do less exercises. It's something I'll struggle with because if I feel like I have more juice in the tank and stop, it makes me think I'm not working hard enough. I can only imagine how much harder that'll be with test and such on board.

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those are impressive lifts. will be following

you are doing great, this is a good start

bro big blue yo legit!

Welcome aboard

great start to the log

300mgs test is the hot stuff and hcgenerate on n2bm.com right now
lets keep train in detail going

respect for starting the log bigblue

you already pumped i love the log

g2g log for sure
lets see more omega 3 in your diet and hows yoru sleep? yoru supps?

APPROVED LOG

well big blue has landed nice to see you man perfect log start
300mgs test is the sweetest spot you got it sports-TRT

osta and aromasin is week 1-2 in pct
300mgs test is fine 2 shots and 5mgs aromasin EOD 3 days/week
check n2bm.com for hcgenerate
and keep log updated and post more updates

Respect for logging brother

log.

Will follow. Loce when people are consistent and open to learn.

Welcome to evo....great start to the log............

nice info man stick to 300mgs test but get more trianing deatails

Thank you all!

 

[RickRock]

Welcome brother. Nice introduction

 

[25homes]

Hello all. Firstly I just wanted to thank everyone here for all of the work and time put into these forums and website. I've been using these forums for the last few years as I started to dabble into PEDs. A little bit about me and my background...

I’ve been active my whole life. I have a physical job as a First Responder. I started lifting weights about 17 years ago and haven't stopped. I workout 5 days a week. I've done various forms of exercise: bodybuilding, powerlifting, crossfit, circuit training, long distance running, hiking, etc. My goal has been to gain about 5 pounds of muscle every year. I've been able to do that for a long time and broke through several plateaus naturally. About two years ago, I finally hit a wall where I wasn't able to gain any weight or break through any strength barriers. I did my first cycle which was MK677 and Ostarine followed by the same cycle several months later. I also did another cycle earlier this year with Anavar at 20mg a day and MK677. These cycles were all about two months long and followed by a simple PCT regimen. I gained about 5 pounds per cycle which I was pretty happy with. Bloods checked before and after. Slightly elevated liver enzymes at first but resolved over a few months. No other issues. Now I'm looking at doing my first cycle with test and hoping to start mid August or September. My goal is simply to add lean muscle and get to about 10% or lower BF.

Stats:

34 years old
Height - 6'4"
Weight - 250 lbs
BF - 15%
Bench - 350
Military press - 205
Squat - 515
Deadlift - 535

Current Pic

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I've tried a lot of different workouts. This is Jim Stoppani's full body shortcut to size workout with some slight modifications that has become one of my favorites over the years. It focuses on a primary muscle group but you end up doing a few sets of every muscle throughout workout. Periodization style so every week the rep ranges decrease as weight goes up. Reps go as low as 3-5 in the final week. All workouts start with dynamic stretching and light warmup and finish with a sauna/steam room session with about 15 minutes of static stretching. Cardio is done about five days a week and ranges from running, stairmaster, swimming, or other sports and ranges from 15-60 minutes. Sorry I can't get the format to come out as clean as I have on the original document.

Workout plan

Exercise Sets Reps

Day 1
Bench Press 4 15-20
Reverse-Grip Bench Press 3 15-20
Incline Dumbbell Flye 3 15-20
Cable Crossover 3 15-20
Reverse-Grip Lat Pulldown 3 15-20
Dumbbell Upright Row 3 15-20
Barbell Behind-Back Shrug 3 15-20
Standing Calf Raise 3 15-20
Seated Calf Raise 3 15-20
Dumbbell Kickback 3 15-20
Behind-Back Cable Curl 3 15-20
Barbell Wrist Curl 3 15-20
Rope Cable Crunch 3 15-20

Day 2
Deadlift 4 15-20
Barbell Bent-Over Row 3 15-20
Wide-Grip Lat Pulldown 3 15-20
Standing Lat Pulldown 3 15-20
Straight-Arm Pulldown 3 15-20
Dumbbell Bench Press 3 15-20
Step-Up 3 15-20
Prone Dumbbell Rear Delt Raise 3 15-20
Prone Incline Dumbbell Shrug 3 15-20
Cable Toe Raise 3 15-20
Dumbbell Overhead Tri Ext. 3 15-20
Dumbbell Concentration Curl 3 15-20
Dumbbell Reverse Wrist Curl 3 15-20
Hip Thrust 3 15-20
Crunch 3 15-20

Day 3
Military Press 4 15-20
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3 15-20
Cable Front Raise 3 15-20
Standing Cable Rear Delt 3 15-20
Dumbbell Shrug 3 15-20
Straight-Arm Pushdown 3 15-20
Dumbbell Row 3 15-20
Walking Lunge 3 15-20
Leg Press Calf Raise 3 15-20
Cable Cross-Over Low pulley 3 15-20
Close-Grip Bench Press 3 15-20
Barbell Preacher Curl 3 15-20
Dumbbell Wrist Curl 3 15-20
Cable Woodchopper 3 15-20

Day 4
Triceps Pressdown 3 15-20
Barbell Lying Triceps Extension 3 15-20
Overhead Cable Tri. Ext. High 3 15-20
Barbell Curl 3 15-20
Incline Dumbbell Curl 3 15-20
High Cable Curl 3 15-20
Barbell Hack Squat 3 15-20
Cable Flye 3 15-20
Straight-Arm Pulldown 3 15-20
Cable Lateral Raise 3 15-20
Cable Shrug 3 15-20
One-Leg Standing Calf Raise 3 15-20
Barbell Reverse Wrist Curl 3 15-20
Cable Oblique Pushdown 3 15-20

Day 5
Squat 4 15-20
One-Leg Leg Press 3 15-20
Leg Extension 3 15-20
Romanian Deadlift 3 15-20
Lying Leg Curl 3 15-20
Incline Dumbbell Press 3 15-20
Seated Cable Row 3 15-20
Seated Calf Raise 3 15-20
Dumbbell Shoulder Press 3 15-20
Barbell Shrug 3 15-20
Reverse-Grip Triceps Pressdown 3 15-20
Hammer Curl 3 15-20
Behind-Back Wrist Curl 3 15-20
Cable Roundhouse Elbow 3 15-20

Diet

3400 calories
289g Protein
360g Carbs
83g Fat

Meal 1: Athletic greens, 3 eggs, 1 cup egg whites, 1 sausage, 1 tomato, 2 english muffins, 1 tbsp jelly, 1 cup of orange juice. Vitamin D3 & Omega 3s post meal.

Calories - 1010
Protein - 60g
Carbs - 114
Fat - 32

Meal 2 post workout: 2 scoops whey protein + 1 banana

Calories - 355
Protein - 54g
Carbs - 35g
Fat - 0.4

Meal 3: 8 oz chicken breast, 2 cups cooked white rice, avocado + small amount of sauce of some sort

Calories - 850
Protein - 60g
Carbs - 102g
Fat - 30g

Meal 4: 8 oz chicken breast (or other protein source), 2 cups cooked white rice, avocado + small amount of sauce of some sort

Calories - 850
Protein - 60g
Carbs - 102g
Fat - 30g


Meal 5: 2 scoops whey protein

Calories - 250
Protein - 54
Carbs - 7.5
Fat - 0

Planned Cycle

MK677 - 20 mg 4 months (start of cycle all the way through PCT)
Anavar - 20mg kickstart one month
Test Enanthate - 300 mg a week for 10 weeks (2x 150mg doses per week)
Aromasin - 20mg a week for 10 weeks
N2Guard - 7 caps per day (from start of cycle to end of PCT)

PCT - Following PCT sticky exactly

N2Generate ES
Cardarine
Ostarine
Clomid
Nolva
N2Guard
Aromasin?

Few questions I have:

Is 300mg a good amount of test to run for the first cycle? What’s the best way to run that? 150mg on Monday & 150mg on Thursday for example?
Is the Aromasin dosage correct? I’ve seen logs where that is run every day or other day so please help me dial in the amount and frequency.
Is Aromasin required for PCT? I’ve seen people stating it is not required in PCT.
N2Generate is currently out of stock. What else is recommended in place of this for PCT?

I’m open to any and all advice! Thank you!

will be following

 

[RoidRage69]

Way to many sets and exercises. You will have shoulder surgery in no time. Do a 3 day split focusing in the three main lifts. Squat, bench, and deadlift. Quality over quantity. Your body will thank you.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I'm currently taking a fish oil supplement post breakfast. Label states 2600 mg of fish oil, 750mg EPA, 750 DHA, and 150 DPA per 2 capsules. Recommendation is twice a day but I've only been doing it once per day. Do you recommend more than this?

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Replied to another user but: I'm currently taking a fish oil supplement post breakfast. Label states 2600 mg of fish oil, 750mg EPA, 750 DHA, and 150 DPA per 2 capsules. Recommendation is twice a day but I've only been doing it once per day. Do you recommend more than this? My sleep isn't the best due to work. Hoping the HGH can get my sleep on track for at least 6 months.

Supplements:

Athletic Greens
Vitamin D3
Fish Oil
Creatine HCl
Jocko Joint Warfare
Preworkout
Whey protein

Fish oil is like 14 grams per tbsp so thats 14000mg you need to take per day at least.

And your supplements when you taking?

 

[bigblue1377]

Fish oil is like 14 grams per tbsp so thats 14000mg you need to take per day at least.

And your supplements when you taking?

Woah that's way more than I thought. Which fish oil supplement are you taking?

I'm taking Athletic Greens first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, Vitamin D3 and fish oil right after breakfast. Creatine HCl with my preworkout. Protein post workout and Joint supp after dinner.

 

[LevButlerov]

Woah that's way more than I thought. Which fish oil supplement are you taking?

I'm taking Athletic Greens first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, Vitamin D3 and fish oil right after breakfast. Creatine HCl with my preworkout. Protein post workout and Joint supp after dinner.

Yes 1 tbps of fish oil is 14 grams, 14 grams is 14,000mg is you need 14,000mgs of fish oil omega 3 per day.

can you start updating your diet training? waiting on more

 

[bigblue1377]

Yes 1 tbps of fish oil is 14 grams, 14 grams is 14,000mg is you need 14,000mgs of fish oil omega 3 per day.

can you start updating your diet training? waiting on more

I'm keeping diet and training basically the same until I start the cycle in a few weeks. I'll be adding some more fish oil and easing off a few sets or exercises (based on recommendations here). Are you wanting me to post exact numbers for all of my exercises that I posted in my original thread?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I'm keeping diet and training basically the same until I start the cycle in a few weeks. I'll be adding some more fish oil and easing off a few sets or exercises (based on recommendations here). Are you wanting me to post exact numbers for all of my exercises that I posted in my original thread?

would be good to see actual weights you do and numbers, even now, you should start adding all this now dont wait to start the cycle

 

[bigblue1377]

Update to log 1 month into cycle:

Hey bros. One month into my very first cycle. I would say it's going okay, at best, some of which is my fault and some just bad luck. Definitely learning some things along the way. Anyway, I started pinning 300mg a week and was feeling fine. About two weeks in, my dick completely stopped working, I was insanely fatigued, joint pain, weakness. My lifts were decent, I would say maybe 5% more power than normal (I think it was mostly the Anavar at this point). I got a little concerned, talked to my bodybuilder buddy and he thought I was crashing my estrogen with the AI so I stopped completely for two weeks. I started feeling better for a period of time but my nipples started getting sensitive, had a lot of water retention and a few other symptoms. I figured my estrogen was high at this point but I waited to do bloods as I wanted to see what my estradiol would be at if I used no AIs. Well as you can see from the bloods, it was high indeed. I got back onto the AIs at 5mg EOD. Nipple sensitivity went away and I'm feeling better overall again. I will post bloods with questions, progress pic, and lifts. Please provide any input you may have, even if not directed at my questions.

1) Is this a normal test number for someone pinning 300mg a week? It seems to be on the high end of a TRT dose and I'm only doing a 10 week cycle. Is my body just not reacting to the test as well or is it possibly the quality of the actual product? The only thing I notice is that after pinning, the area is sore for at least 5 days. I've tried both quads and glutes and same issue. I also don't really "feel" like I'm on steroids if that makes sense. If anything, I felt more of that when I was on Anavar. I am definitely gaining size but my power still feels pretty much the same (maybe 5% more as mentioned earlier). I still haven't exceeded my natural numbers in any of the main lifts. I'd like to bump my dose up to 500mg a week and see how I feel (also I miscalculated and ordered WAY more test than I actually need).

2) anything else of concern here? I'm aware that cholesterol gets screwed up on cycle so I'm assuming this is normal?

3) IGF 1 of 362. I was surprised to see this number because I thought the HGH I got was bad product. I started with an HGH dose of 2 IUs a day but honestly my recovery this entire month feels the same as natty or possibly even worse which has got me confused. I literally felt 3x better when just on Anavar and MK677 in terms of recovery. However, I will say that my skin does feel better and I haven't had any major breakouts which I definitely thought I would have being on test. My sleep has gotten noticeably better though so that's been a major improvement.

4) And now for the possible wrench in the entire system. My Monocytes and Eosinophils are elevated. While on cycle, I've caught two minor bugs and also had Blastocystis Hominis (parasitic infection in the digestive tract) which had me on the toilet frequently for at least a week. I don't get sick often and have never had a parasite so this is either bad luck or my body isn't agreeing with this stuff, or a combination of both haha.

4) Estradiol of 172. I'm aware that's very high. Part of this was experimenting and now that I know how my body reacts to the test, what low estrogen and high estrogen feels like, I'll be better off in the long run and can adjust my dosages accordingly. I've already started taking the AI again and will do bloods for testosterone and estradiol in about 3 weeks and go from there. I saw a formula that stated you multiply test x .004 x 10 and that will give you an estradiol number that is okay. In my particular case, it would be 44. I know it's higher than the range but if test is elevated, I'm assuming estrogen can also be slightly elevated as there needs to be some kind of ratio between the two. Thoughts?


5) Anything else y'all see that should be addressed?

This first month was a little rough for multiple reasons. I'm starting to feel good again and I think this next month or two should go pretty smooth and where I make the majority of my gains.

Progress pic:

6) Currently sitting at 261, up from 250 at around the same body fat. My diet, cardio, training are all pretty much the same. I backed off the cardio a tiny bit while being sick. I'd like to bring my body fat down to the point where I have a six pack. Do you guys think this is a good time to do that? If so, what should I change to accomplish that? Or should I just keep packing on the weight and cut after the cycle?

Sorry for all the questions. Will also post lift numbers soon. Thank you all for getting this far and really appreciate all the input!

 

[Supertiredwantfood]

Nice log. Also I agree with roidrage - that many exercises is just so much. If it works for you it works for you - but I used to do 4 sets of maybe 7-8 exercises for a long time and saw huge progress when I went down to 4 sets of 5 exercises, 2-3 focused on compound lift. Your body can't grow if you don't give it a chance to recover properly. Quality of reps and technique gets poorer the longer the workout too due to fatigue.

 

[stevesmi]

261 and you are pretty lean. That is very impressive. Why weren't you a tight end in the NFL with those stats?

 

[LevButlerov]

Update to log 1 month into cycle:

Hey bros. One month into my very first cycle. I would say it's going okay, at best, some of which is my fault and some just bad luck. Definitely learning some things along the way. Anyway, I started pinning 300mg a week and was feeling fine. About two weeks in, my dick completely stopped working, I was insanely fatigued, joint pain, weakness. My lifts were decent, I would say maybe 5% more power than normal (I think it was mostly the Anavar at this point). I got a little concerned, talked to my bodybuilder buddy and he thought I was crashing my estrogen with the AI so I stopped completely for two weeks. I started feeling better for a period of time but my nipples started getting sensitive, had a lot of water retention and a few other symptoms. I figured my estrogen was high at this point but I waited to do bloods as I wanted to see what my estradiol would be at if I used no AIs. Well as you can see from the bloods, it was high indeed. I got back onto the AIs at 5mg EOD. Nipple sensitivity went away and I'm feeling better overall again. I will post bloods with questions, progress pic, and lifts. Please provide any input you may have, even if not directed at my questions.


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1) Is this a normal test number for someone pinning 300mg a week? It seems to be on the high end of a TRT dose and I'm only doing a 10 week cycle. Is my body just not reacting to the test as well or is it possibly the quality of the actual product? The only thing I notice is that after pinning, the area is sore for at least 5 days. I've tried both quads and glutes and same issue. I also don't really "feel" like I'm on steroids if that makes sense. If anything, I felt more of that when I was on Anavar. I am definitely gaining size but my power still feels pretty much the same (maybe 5% more as mentioned earlier). I still haven't exceeded my natural numbers in any of the main lifts. I'd like to bump my dose up to 500mg a week and see how I feel (also I miscalculated and ordered WAY more test than I actually need).

2) anything else of concern here? I'm aware that cholesterol gets screwed up on cycle so I'm assuming this is normal?


View attachment 16100

3) IGF 1 of 362. I was surprised to see this number because I thought the HGH I got was bad product. I started with an HGH dose of 2 IUs a day but honestly my recovery this entire month feels the same as natty or possibly even worse which has got me confused. I literally felt 3x better when just on Anavar and MK677 in terms of recovery. However, I will say that my skin does feel better and I haven't had any major breakouts which I definitely thought I would have being on test. My sleep has gotten noticeably better though so that's been a major improvement.

4) And now for the possible wrench in the entire system. My Monocytes and Eosinophils are elevated. While on cycle, I've caught two minor bugs and also had Blastocystis Hominis (parasitic infection in the digestive tract) which had me on the toilet frequently for at least a week. I don't get sick often and have never had a parasite so this is either bad luck or my body isn't agreeing with this stuff, or a combination of both haha.

View attachment 16102

4) Estradiol of 172. I'm aware that's very high. Part of this was experimenting and now that I know how my body reacts to the test, what low estrogen and high estrogen feels like, I'll be better off in the long run and can adjust my dosages accordingly. I've already started taking the AI again and will do bloods for testosterone and estradiol in about 3 weeks and go from there. I saw a formula that stated you multiply test x .004 x 10 and that will give you an estradiol number that is okay. In my particular case, it would be 44. I know it's higher than the range but if test is elevated, I'm assuming estrogen can also be slightly elevated as there needs to be some kind of ratio between the two. Thoughts?


5) Anything else y'all see that should be addressed?

This first month was a little rough for multiple reasons. I'm starting to feel good again and I think this next month or two should go pretty smooth and where I make the majority of my gains.

Progress pic:
View attachment 16104

6) Currently sitting at 261, up from 250 at around the same body fat. My diet, cardio, training are all pretty much the same. I backed off the cardio a tiny bit while being sick. I'd like to bring my body fat down to the point where I have a six pack. Do you guys think this is a good time to do that? If so, what should I change to accomplish that? Or should I just keep packing on the weight and cut after the cycle?

Sorry for all the questions. Will also post lift numbers soon. Thank you all for getting this far and really appreciate all the input!

@bigblue1377 many things we need to address like your ALT AST are you taking organ liver support like n2guard?

and why did you back off the cardio? with your cholesterol numbers you should boost cardio

and we need to get at least weekly updates from you bro diet training come on

 

[Mobster]

I agree with lev - once a month ain't cutting it