Blood work review first cycle

gunelanie4987 · Dec 7, 2023

Hey guys I hope you are well. Earlier this year I commenced my first anabolic steroid cycle after training naturally for several years.

I have been training consistently since I was 16 and just wanted to get past my natural limit. I had thought about trying anabolics for a long time but managed to hold off until this year. I ran a 12 week long cycle.

I began with 200 test e and 200 mast E for the first 4 weeks of my cycle.

5 weeks into my cycle I increased the dosage to 250 test e 250 mast E and added in NPP at 100mg. I would Inject twice per week on Sunday and Thursday.

Overall I had a good experience being an enhanced lifter. I had always been fascinated by the pharmacological aspect of bodybuilding and it felt good to talk to other enhanced bodybuilders and learn about their experiences using certain compounds. I gained a good amount of strength from my cycle however I did not put on the amount of muscle that I thought I would. I grew but my first cycle humbled me and made me realise Anabolics while effective are not a magic pill. You still need to put in the work to achieve the results.

My pct protocol cosisted of Nolva and clomid
Clomid at 50mg EOD
20 MG nolva Everday I ran my PCT for 6 weeks. I got blood work 6 weeks after completing PCT.

I got blood work done recently and my Testosterone is very low. My LH and FSH have been crashed. I am debating implimenting a new PCT protcol that my friend has reccomended. My friend has suggested implementing a PCT protocol including HCG to restore my normal test levels.

PCT protocol that I am considering running
First 2 weeks
50 Clomid per day
40 Nolva per day.
1000 IU of HCG 3 times per week

week 3 and 4 25mg Clomid
20 mg nolva
and 500IU HCG on Monday and Friday.

end of PCT week 5
10MG nolva per day.

What are your thoughts on this protocol do you think it would be likely to restore my natural testosterone production? I have experienced side effects as a result of my low test such as brain fog, irritability and increased anxiety. I don't believe I have lost much muscle as my strength has remained close to what it was on the cycle.

Do you think I should PCT even if I want to cycle again or should I just consider running TRT with HCG. I love bodybuilding and enjoy being enhanced. I am 26 years old and feel that I still have gains left in the tank. I want to go about this in the healthiest way possible. I don't want to jeopardise other aspects of my life just to achieve more muscle. I would like to have a family later in life if I can.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post looking forward to hearing your suggestions/ advice.

LevButlerov · Dec 7, 2023

gunelanie4987 said:
Hey guys I hope you are well. Earlier this year I commenced my first anabolic steroid cycle after training naturally for several years.

I have been training consistently since I was 16 and just wanted to get past my natural limit. I had thought about trying anabolics for a long time but managed to hold off until this year. I ran a 12 week long cycle.

I began with 200 test e and 200 mast E for the first 4 weeks of my cycle.

5 weeks into my cycle I increased the dosage to 250 test e 250 mast E and added in NPP at 100mg. I would Inject twice per week on Sunday and Thursday.

Overall I had a good experience being an enhanced lifter. I had always been fascinated by the pharmacological aspect of bodybuilding and it felt good to talk to other enhanced bodybuilders and learn about their experiences using certain compounds. I gained a good amount of strength from my cycle however I did not put on the amount of muscle that I thought I would. I grew but my first cycle humbled me and made me realise Anabolics while effective are not a magic pill. You still need to put in the work to achieve the results.

My pct protocol cosisted of Nolva and clomid
Clomid at 50mg EOD
20 MG nolva Everday I ran my PCT for 6 weeks. I got blood work 6 weeks after completing PCT.

I got blood work done recently and my Testosterone is very low. My LH and FSH have been crashed. I am debating implimenting a new PCT protcol that my friend has reccomended. My friend has suggested implementing a PCT protocol including HCG to restore my normal test levels.

PCT protocol that I am considering running
First 2 weeks
50 Clomid per day
40 Nolva per day.
1000 IU of HCG 3 times per week

week 3 and 4 25mg Clomid
20 mg nolva
and 500IU HCG on Monday and Friday.

end of PCT week 5
10MG nolva per day.

What are your thoughts on this protocol do you think it would be likely to restore my natural testosterone production? I have experienced side effects as a result of my low test such as brain fog, irritability and increased anxiety. I don't believe I have lost much muscle as my strength has remained close to what it was on the cycle.

Do you think I should PCT even if I want to cycle again or should I just consider running TRT with HCG. I love bodybuilding and enjoy being enhanced. I am 26 years old and feel that I still have gains left in the tank. I want to go about this in the healthiest way possible. I don't want to jeopardise other aspects of my life just to achieve more muscle. I would like to have a family later in life if I can.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post looking forward to hearing your suggestions/ advice.

dylangemelli · Dec 7, 2023

NEVER use HCG in pct.. its not only suppressive but also estrogenic which are both clearly not good for recovery... in the future, this is what a proper pct should look like

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well… N2Guard plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on…N2Guard helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.

clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20
aromasin (adjust as needed)
N2Guard
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

both clomid and nolva should be ran EVERYDAY

its too late now but you used steroids too young and have put yourself in a not so great position moving forward...

Mobster · Dec 8, 2023

What's your age?

stevesmi · Dec 8, 2023

so a few points.

1. i wish you had listened to my podcasts on what pct is and what is all about. i would listen to that
2. never listen to 'friends' when it comes to this stuff. your friend is wrong
3. you never use hcg in pct because although i'm sure your friend used it and he felt better, it will only set you back because it is SUPPRESSIVE
4. understand what pct is. pct doesn't kickstart your hpta, prime your balls or any other bro science nonsense. the purpose is to give you a soft landing
5. in this case your pct is wrong from start to finish. way too much clomid and nolva. so of course you feel like ass. if you are going to use both you need to run them at sensible dosages. 12.5mg clomid and 10mgs nolva max per day and even that is high. and you MUST stack in a very strong T booster to offset any side effects of these drugs.
6. it will take you 2x the amount of time you were on steroids to recover. and that doesn't count the ester clearance. so run a correct pct and be patient. your body will bounce back

25homes · Dec 8, 2023

bro no HCG its just not a good idea

ceo · Dec 8, 2023

bros can't go wrong with that pct but leave out the hcg
listen to the advice above and get up a log

ROIDDERS · Dec 8, 2023

Very important that you're tracking your blood work and how you feel during pct
this is why a log Journal is important to post up

chesty · Dec 8, 2023

we can guide you along and help you get the most out of your PCT
just make sure you get your info up as soon as possible

Ulter · Dec 8, 2023

time to get the right info
stop listening to friends
get a log up NOW

StevenDarwinMD · Dec 8, 2023

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e2 · Dec 8, 2023

your friend is showing his ignorance by telling you to use hcg when its the worst thing you can do right now
make sure you allow your body time to come back

2Thick · Dec 8, 2023

you will bounce back man
no way you are shut down for life
a log is the solution so we can track your progress

Vadim Fedorov · Dec 8, 2023

start up a pct log
log your daily training and diet
that's going to be the best thing you can do

MONSTRO · Dec 8, 2023

we know nothing about you besides what you wrote
you need proper pct
only reason to stay on is if you are like me and turning pro

gunelanie4987 · Dec 8, 2023

MONSTRO said:
we know nothing about you besides what you wrote
you need proper pct
only reason to stay on is if you are like me and turning pro

I would love to become a pro but I have horrible genetics for building muscle. I’ve been able to build an ok base because I’m so addicted to working out.

Are you against people staying on gear even if it makes them happy? I always wanted a muscular physique since I was a child.

LevButlerov · Dec 9, 2023

gunelanie4987 said:
I would love to become a pro but I have horrible genetics for building muscle. I’ve been able to build an ok base because I’m so addicted to working out.

Are you against people staying on gear even if it makes them happy? I always wanted a muscular physique since I was a child.

@gunelanie4987 if staying on gear makes you happy, show us your log and we go from there

Topps_Baseball88 · Dec 9, 2023

Personally I'd take breaks in between to give the body rest otherwise you are constantly at redline and u can only take so much abuse

gunelanie4987 · Dec 9, 2023

What are your thoughts on using cardarine and osterine as apart of a pct protocol? I don’t have any experience with sarms I always considered them to be a waste of time so I opted to use actual anabolics for my first cycle.

I was thinking of adding in cardarine, osterine and mk677 as apart of my pct.

Do you have any experience using sarms as apart of your pct?

ballin2504 · Dec 9, 2023

Topps_Baseball88 said:
Personally I'd take breaks in between to give the body rest otherwise you are constantly at redline and u can only take so much abuse

Absolutely brother

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