Can clomiphene increase testosterone?

[Topps_Baseball88]

I've seen alot of guys fall into a depression with clomid and it's usage

 

[GoldenPlague]

the fallacy right off the bat is you think higher testosterone levels mean more muscle and that just isn't true

even with clomid boosting test levels it still falls short of doing what anabolic steroids do. binding to shbg, boosting protein synthesis, increasing androgenic and anabolic environment and the body and increasing red blood cell count and more

More testosterone actually means more muscles. More testosterone boosts protein synthesis, increases the RBC count, accelerates metabolism, etc...

Yes, I know clomid can't compare with steroids, but I'm looking for the safety way to gain any increase in testosterone.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Clomid can have negative side effects to though

What are the side effects used at doses of 100, 200,or 300 mg a day?

 

[GoldenPlague]

you might be better off just buying a strong testosterone booster in the first place

I'm afraid of gynecomastia. I still don't know if I'm prone or not to gynecomastia. I will need another one moth of refining my body fat levels before I can tell if I have puffy nipples or just fat at the nipple locations.

 

[stevesmi]

More testosterone actually means more muscles. More testosterone boosts protein synthesis, increases the RBC count, accelerates metabolism, etc...

Yes, I know clomid can't compare with steroids, but I'm looking for the safety way to gain any increase in testosterone.

if your test levls are in the tank then that is true because it will seem like a night and day change
test levels going from 100 to 400 is one thing
test levels going from 900 to 1200 is another
and test levels going from 400 to 3800 is a whole nother ball game

but like i already tried to explain if you think taking clomid compares to taking an actual AAS then you will be extremely dissapointed

 

[Mobster]

More testosterone actually means more muscles. More testosterone boosts protein synthesis, increases the RBC count, accelerates metabolism, etc...

Yes, I know clomid can't compare with steroids, but I'm looking for the safety way to gain any increase in testosterone.

You gotta use better logic. We already said that if the idea held ANY water we'd all do it.

I described elsewhere the very skewed theory of receptor affinity. I do well on low doses. Others need more just to begin to get my results. Ditto the idea of using a test booster to get roid like results/ Not gonna happen, What any such product does is optimize your natural levels. There's NOT a huge difference between the amounts produced NATURALLY by a Joe and an athlete. There is between HOW they respond to what they have.

Once you decide to use it'll be many times what is naturally produced by anyone

Now compare so-called natural bodybuilders vs those who are not tested and who DO use PEDs

If you are that concerned with NOT using AAS and optimizing your test levels then get lean (diet and cardio). Be sure to eat clean, wholesome food. Get plenty of sleep. Do not over train. Look at top quality test boosters like HCGenerate.

Go get blood tests inc the test for testosterone (free and bound)

 

[GoldenPlague]

You gotta use better logic. We already said that if the idea held ANY water we'd all do it.

I described elsewhere the very skewed theory of receptor affinity. I do well on low doses. Others need more just to begin to get my results. Ditto the idea of using a test booster to get roid like results/ Not gonna happen, What any such product does is optimize your natural levels. There's NOT a huge difference between the amounts produced NATURALLY by a Joe and an athlete. There is between HOW they respond to what they have.

Once you decide to use it'll be many times what is naturally produced by anyone

Now compare so-called natural bodybuilders vs those who are not tested and who DO use PEDs

If you are that concerned with NOT using AAS and optimizing your test levels then get lean (diet and cardio). Be sure to eat clean, wholesome food. Get plenty of sleep. Do not over train. Look at top quality test boosters like HCGenerate.

Go get blood tests inc the test for testosterone (free and bound)

Yes, I'm aware I can't get any roid-like results if I use just testosterone boosting methods that can't boost my testosterone levels beyond the natural limit. Roid like results require overcoming the natural limit.

I already stated my testosterone levels are lower than they should be, because I was overweight during my puberty, which stunted the HPTA development and led to disruption of testosterone production.

Now, any testosterone increase, even if it's just 100 ng, is welcomed by me.

See these results of clomid use: https://i.postimg.cc/bwGkhL8y/IMG-20231113-192252.jpg

Can I still get such significant results if I don't have hypogonadism? The increase shown in the results is epic, and I would like to get one.

I believe my T levels are somewhere at 500-600 (700 max).

I also want to get some additional facial/beard masculinization, which I know higher T levels can and will give me. Anyway, I will get the masculinization, but it will take time naturally, but I want it now.

 

[Mobster]

Yes, I'm aware I can't get any roid-like results if I use just testosterone boosting methods that can't boost my testosterone levels beyond the natural limit. Roid like results require overcoming the natural limit.

I already stated my testosterone levels are lower than they should be, because I was overweight during my puberty, which stunted the HPTA development and led to disruption of testosterone production.

Now, any testosterone increase, even if it's just 100 ng, is welcomed by me.

See these results of clomid use: https://i.postimg.cc/bwGkhL8y/IMG-20231113-192252.jpg

Can I still get such significant results if I don't have hypogonadism? The increase shown in the results is epic, and I would like to get one.

I believe my T levels are somewhere at 500-600 (700 max).

I also want to get some additional facial/beard masculinization, which I know higher T levels can and will give me. Anyway, I will get the masculinization, but it will take time naturally, but I want it now.

These all sound like 'what I think' vs what I know. When, if ever, did you get your test levels tested?

How old are you?

And there is NO guarantee you'll get more bearded. I talked about this (being hairy vs test levels) in a previous reply using myself as an example

The numbers you HAVE listed (if accurate) are within range of normal (see below). In fact higher regardless of age

Age	Testosterone (nmol/L)	Testosterone (ng/dL)
25–30	14.3–19.9	413–575
30–34	12.4–17.3	359–498
35–40	12.2–16.5	352–478
40–44	12.1–16.4	350–473

 

[Mobster]

Let me give you an example of skewed logic regarding T-levels. It was thought that cons, aka those in prison, by virtue of risk behavior, crimes and the like might have higher than normal T-levels. So a study went into prison (skews not testing out of prison criminals but how many would volunteer then??) and tested cons. In fact they had lower levels than the general population. That was as likely due to a lack of sex and a lack of female accessibility as anything. Indeed it was though that criminal activity is as much about a lack of IQ, issues with schooling, reading etc etc as anything.

That ties in with so-called androgenic signs. IE: being hairy is a sign of high T (and yet others have claimed the same for being bald). Ditto the shape of the chin, sex drive and so on. They are, at best, indicators. Not givens. If it was a given the most violent in society would be those using testosterone (roid rage has never been proven) and those with huge manly jaws and massive beards. Now go look at those who are actually crazy violent. Usually so tiny f'ker with a chip on their shoulder and rarely, if ever, hairy. Not steroid users

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Clomid will increase test levels which is why some prescribed TRT will start with clomid.

 

[GoldenPlague]

These all sound like 'what I think' vs what I know. When, if ever, did you get your test levels tested?

How old are you?

And there is NO guarantee you'll get more bearded. I talked about this (being hairy vs test levels) in a previous reply using myself as an example

The numbers you HAVE listed (if accurate) are within range of normal (see below). In fact higher regardless of age

Age	Testosterone (nmol/L)	Testosterone (ng/dL)
25–30	14.3–19.9	413–575
30–34	12.4–17.3	359–498
35–40	12.2–16.5	352–478
40–44	12.1–16.4	350–473

I have never tested my T levels.

What I want o is increase my T levels to the natural limit.

Even if you have normal T levels, they are normal, not high. I wonder if clomid can increase my T levels to what is the maximum possible in my body without exceeding that limit and causing gynecomastia.

I want to see how I will feel at maximum natural levels before I consider more serious actions.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Let me give you an example of skewed logic regarding T-levels. It was thought that cons, aka those in prison, by virtue of risk behavior, crimes and the like might have higher than normal T-levels. So a study went into prison (skews not testing out of prison criminals but how many would volunteer then??) and tested cons. In fact they had lower levels than the general population. That was as likely due to a lack of sex and a lack of female accessibility as anything. Indeed it was though that criminal activity is as much about a lack of IQ, issues with schooling, reading etc etc as anything.

That ties in with so-called androgenic signs. IE: being hairy is a sign of high T (and yet others have claimed the same for being bald). Ditto the shape of the chin, sex drive and so on. They are, at best, indicators. Not givens. If it was a given the most violent in society would be those using testosterone (roid rage has never been proven) and those with huge manly jaws and massive beards. Now go look at those who are actually crazy violent. Usually so tiny f'ker with a chip on their shoulder and rarely, if ever, hairy. Not steroid users

Yes, you are right about what you said.

Regarding association between baldness and high T, it can happen if follicles are sensitive to dehydrotestosterone and you are genetically predisposed to baldness.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Clomid will increase test levels which is why some prescribed TRT will start with clomid.

But it can't cause gynecomastia, right? Gynecomastia is caused only when T levels exceed the natural limit of the individual's body and clomid can't make the body produce T beyond the natural limit, ok?

Clomid only stimulates production but doesn't add any testosterone on it's own, so it's impossible for gynecomastia and hormonal imbalance to occur?

 

[Ori]

I have never tested my T levels.

What I want o is increase my T levels to the natural limit.

Even if you have normal T levels, they are normal, not high. I wonder if clomid can increase my T levels to what is the maximum possible in my body without exceeding that limit and causing gynecomastia.

I want to see how I will feel at maximum natural levels before I consider more serious actions.

Ok so this is at least slightly more helpful. As the other lads here mentioned, and they have a ton of experience by the way, is it’s hard to give any meaningful input without knowing what it is you actually want to achieve.
You mentioned you want to see how you feel, so I’m guessing you mostly are searching for some performance enhancement, not trying to gain significant mass. If that’s the case you have some good recommendations for peptides so far, that will absolutely have you recovering faster and going that little bit harder in your workouts.
Personally I love BPC-157 and some sort of growth hormone secreting peptide combo like CJC1295/GHRP6, I’ve never had the $$$ to add TB500 to that but it would make the stack even better for sure. As far as PEDs go they aren’t super powerful, but definitely strong enough you will absolutely notice it in many areas.
Some other really interesting recommendations here for you, a lot of stuff I’ve never tried personally but will definitely be looking into myself now.

 

[Mobster]

I have never tested my T levels.

What I want o is increase my T levels to the natural limit.

Even if you have normal T levels, they are normal, not high. I wonder if clomid can increase my T levels to what is the maximum possible in my body without exceeding that limit and causing gynecomastia.

I want to see how I will feel at maximum natural levels before I consider more serious actions.

So forget EVERYTHING until you go get a blood test

 

[GoldenPlague]

So forget EVERYTHING until you go get a blood test

How will a blood test determine if I can or can't use steroids or clomiphene?

I don't think a blood test will be relevant. For example, if the test shows 500ng testosterone, how can we know if this is normal or low?

For some people, 500ng is normal.

For other people, 1000ng is normal.

Once the blood test is done, how can we know if my 500ng testosterone (assuming my T is 500ng) is the normal value and shouldn't actually be 1000ng or more?

 

[Mobster]

How will a blood test determine if I can or can't use steroids or clomiphene?

I don't think a blood test will be relevant. For example, if the test shows 500ng testosterone, how can we know if this is normal or low?

For some people, 500ng is normal.

For other people, 1000ng is normal.

Once the blood test is done, how can we know if my 500ng testosterone (assuming my T is 500ng) is the normal value and shouldn't actually be 1000ng or more?

I presented the stats above. And you've had a bunch of posts about what you think your levels are and your 'need' to be boosted and yet you don't actually know. Work with an endo.

 

[GoldenPlague]

I presented the stats above. And you've had a bunch of posts about what you think your levels are and your 'need' to be boosted and yet you don't actually know. Work with an endo.

Are you sure the stats you presented are accurate? Isn't 500-700ng low? I have heard that a healthy male at age of 20-25 should have 1000-1300ng.

 

[Ori]

How will a blood test determine if I can or can't use steroids or clomiphene?

I don't think a blood test will be relevant. For example, if the test shows 500ng testosterone, how can we know if this is normal or low?

For some people, 500ng is normal.

For other people, 1000ng is normal.

Once the blood test is done, how can we know if my 500ng testosterone (assuming my T is 500ng) is the normal value and shouldn't actually be 1000ng or more?

Because if that was normal for you then that’s what you’d already have.

 

[Mobster]

Present the info.