Can PCT be done only with clomiphene?

[GoldenPlague]

Different people and articles say different things: some say yes, others say no.

Some recommended me I need to use hCG, clomiphene and aromatase inhibitors during the PCT.

Why should I use hCG? hCG is about preventing testicular atrophy. Once clomiphene begins restoring natural testosterone production, testicles will also be restored, right?

As for aromatase inhibitors, I was told there will be estrogen rebound and it can cause gynecomastia. How is this possible? When I stop injection synthetic testosterone, after the end of the half-life and the active half-life, there won't be testosterone in my body, meaning no aromatization can happen. So, what will cause estrogen rebound in this case?

Am I correct to assume using only clomiphene for PCT is ok?

 

[HybridLabs]

Don't use hcg for pct. Hcg is suppressive. It's only handy to use prior to beginning a pct to get your testes active again. But its not needed tbh for a first cycle pct.

Nolva and clomid are the best for pct yes.

You can use clomid alone or together with nolva.

 

[Ori]

Different people and articles say different things: some say yes, others say no.

Some recommended me I need to use hCG, clomiphene and aromatase inhibitors during the PCT.

Why should I use hCG? hCG is about preventing testicular atrophy. Once clomiphene begins restoring natural testosterone production, testicles will also be restored, right?

As for aromatase inhibitors, I was told there will be estrogen rebound and it can cause gynecomastia. How is this possible? When I stop injection synthetic testosterone, after the end of the half-life and the active half-life, there won't be testosterone in my body, meaning no aromatization can happen. So, what will cause estrogen rebound in this case?

Am I correct to assume using only clomiphene for PCT is ok?

Hybrid Labs got you covered with some really solid advice

 

[GoldenPlague]

Don't use hcg for pct. Hcg is suppressive. It's only handy to use prior to beginning a pct to get your testes active again. But its not needed tbh for a first cycle pct.

Nolva and clomid are the best for pct yes.

You can use clomid alone or together with nolva.

Why should hCG be used at all, if not for cosmetic purposes? As far as I know, the only reason to use hCG during a cycle is to prevent testicular atrophy.

Anyway, won't my testes restore after the end of the cycle, even if I don't use hCG?

What is the difference between using clomid and nolvadex, and only clomid (clomiphene)? Why should I use an anti-estrogen after the cycle, when my testosterone will be mostly absent anyway, making aromatization near to impossible?

 

[stevesmi]

people who push hcg in pct or because it 'primes the balls' are morons. i don't like to insult people at all but when you are spreading misinformation that hurts people you deserve to be called out

i've explained a million times why hcg is a bad idea but i will do it again really quick

hcg is synthetic pregnant female urine, which is why most of the time when you test it with a pregnancy stick you get a positive test, its a great way for you to play a trick on your spouse for april fools too lol

anyway hcg when taken by males was found to mimic LH in the body which is very cool because that means it feeds the leydig cells. but what isn't cool is that it will also signal your pituitary glands to become suppressed. so all you are doing when you use hcg in pct is DELAYING recovery. guys back in the day started to realize this who were actually getting bloodwork done and they would refer to this with comments saying 'don't use too much hcg in pct, it can de-sensitive your nuts'.. well they figured it out early on but had the terminology wrong. when i used hcg i noticed my LH would drop on it and my total test and estrogen would rise on it, so i started to dig into why that was happening and learned what it actually does vs. the bro science. then guys like me started to come around and explaining it on forums and now most smart people know not to go near hcg in pct

however you still have morons pushing to use hcg in pct because they think that it is making their balls bigger, that must mean they are recovering.. WRONG. I remember when Rich Piana put out a video telling people to use hcg in pct because it works for him (atleast he thought it was) and the video garners something like 5M views (yikes!) .. again remember it signals your leydig cells to wake up, but it also is slapping you from behind by suppressing your pituitary glands at the same time which is giving you false hope. Rich thought because his balls got bigger and he got more hornier that meant he was recovering SMH. oddly enough all those brilliant minds are either dead or are on TRT for life because their bright pct ideas didn't work out.

the truth is the purpose of pct is to provide you a soft landing and help balance hormones and support your organ health, along with other things like help you out with psychological motivation to keep training. THATS IT. pct does NOT do a thing to boost recovery of your HPTA, only your own body can do that. so you must come OFF ALL HORMONES, which includes HCG if you are to recover properly. by using hcg in pct it is equivalent to using a small dose of testosterone, which will make you 'feel better' but will also set you back

 

[GoldenPlague]

the truth is the purpose of pct is to provide you a soft landing and help balance hormones and support your organ health, along with other things like help you out with psychological motivation to keep training. THATS IT. pct does NOT do a thing to boost recovery of your HPTA, only your own body can do that. so you must come OFF ALL HORMONES, which includes HCG if you are to recover properly. by using hcg in pct it is equivalent to using a small dose of testosterone, which will make you 'feel better' but will also set you back

So if restoring natural testosterone production and the HPTA function is entirely dependent on the body, not on the PCT, is there an actual point of doing PCT at all?

I heard in no proper PCT is done, gains will be lost due to low testosterone and high cortisol, which is a catabolic state. True or false?

 

[stevesmi]

So if restoring natural testosterone production and the HPTA function is entirely dependent on the body, not on the PCT, is there an actual point of doing PCT at all?

I heard in no proper PCT is done, gains will be lost due to low testosterone and high cortisol, which is a catabolic state. True or false?

dude i just explained in my post the purpose of pct

thats like asking is there a point of jumping out of an airplane with a parachute vs. no parachute? i mean you are gonna get to the ground either way so whats the point?

PCT purpose is to give you a SOFT LANDING vs. a hard landing

pct is your parachute and no pct will be a miserable experience. you know those guys in the gym who blow up on cycle and then lose it all off cycle and dont' even train? those are the guys not doing a pct. and they end up worse then before. so pct is pretty damn important

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Different people and articles say different things: some say yes, others say no.

Some recommended me I need to use hCG, clomiphene and aromatase inhibitors during the PCT.

Why should I use hCG? hCG is about preventing testicular atrophy. Once clomiphene begins restoring natural testosterone production, testicles will also be restored, right?

As for aromatase inhibitors, I was told there will be estrogen rebound and it can cause gynecomastia. How is this possible? When I stop injection synthetic testosterone, after the end of the half-life and the active half-life, there won't be testosterone in my body, meaning no aromatization can happen. So, what will cause estrogen rebound in this case?

Am I correct to assume using only clomiphene for PCT is ok?

@GoldenPlague why dont you stop talking about PCT, are you going to start a LOG or not? without a log we cant answer you.

 

[Mobster]

So if restoring natural testosterone production and the HPTA function is entirely dependent on the body, not on the PCT, is there an actual point of doing PCT at all?

I heard in no proper PCT is done, gains will be lost due to low testosterone and high cortisol, which is a catabolic state. True or false?

False. The No1 and No2 reasons for losing gains is zero adjustment to diet and training. How else do you explain anyone who did or did not do a PCT getting bigger? Remember people (mostly men) have been using steroids for 70 years and some part of that was before they knew what a PCT or an AI was.

 

[HybridLabs]

Why should hCG be used at all, if not for cosmetic purposes? As far as I know, the only reason to use hCG during a cycle is to prevent testicular atrophy.

Anyway, won't my testes restore after the end of the cycle, even if I don't use hCG?

What is the difference between using clomid and nolvadex, and only clomid (clomiphene)? Why should I use an anti-estrogen after the cycle, when my testosterone will be mostly absent anyway, making aromatization near to impossible?

I just said hcg isn't needed bro. Don't use it.

Don't use an AI during pct either.

Just use clomid or nolva or both

 

[MONSTRO]

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[Vadim Fedorov]

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you talk talk talk talk talk
why don't you start your log already !

 

[2Thick]

you are wasting your own time by not starting a log
not sure what you're waiting for start it today and let's get this going

 

[e2]

you keep making new threads asking the same questions
you can just start up a log Journal and you would get the best answers and we can follow your results

 

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[Ulter]

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[chesty]

get your cycle going and then when you pct we can guide you
no reason to keep asking what to use, we answered it already

 

[ROIDDERS]

a cycle is important. hcg is not used in pct
it is used mostly on cycle only

 

[ceo]

bros you can keep posting threads or you can start a log
the choice is yours. We want you to succeed just like everyone else