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Comparing Two Cycles, Blood Work, and Serostim IGF Levels

420mike

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Ok guys, this is going to long winded so quit reading now if you don't have the time.

I have two blood panels here, two seperate cycles, both taken around the 6-7 week marks.

both pinning schedules are the same, half on sunday, other half on thursday

The first cycle was
500mg test e
600mg mast
50mg dbol

Second and current cycle is
500mg test e
600mg deca
50mg drol
serostim hgh 2iu a day

The test e is the same brand from the same batch for both cycles, i had bulk ordered a bunch at one time

  • First Topic, Total Test Levels
As mentioned, same test, same batch, but a huge difference in total test levels
The first cycle my total test was 2700
The current cycle is only 1800

I'm confused as to why there's such a big difference

The only difference i can think of is time of draw. the first draw was about 3 days after last pin, and latest draw was 1 day after last pin. but i wouldn't think there would be that big of difference in just a few days. i didn't think it would swing like that.

  • Second Topic, Serostim and IGF levls
Now I know that a base IGF level with nothing in my body would've been ideal, but considering the very similiar circumstance, same test e dose, draw around mid cycle, that my first blood panel should make a decent base IGF level

as you can see in my first panel, my IGF level was 247, never touched hgh
my second panel, my IGF level was 191, that was being on 2iu a day of hgh for roughly 3 months

I do not believe the hgh is bunk, it was purchased from a trusted source on here and they would've had to do some elaborate counterfeiting, and even if it were, i'm surpised how much lower it is.

I have an unused kit that i'm thinking about selling, as 2iu doesn't seem to be worth it. I just wanted to try it, and by far don't really need it.

  • Third Topic, Liver Values
first cycle was dbol, i ran no liver support
second was drol, am running liv52, tudca, and nac

I was surprised how in check my liver values are on drol. partially makes me believe it may have been bunk, but i've also gained 17lbs in 6 weeks... so maybe not...
My cholesterol is all jacked so that's another sign of good drol. I dunno.

I don't have any real concerns here, just wanted to highlight it in case anyone had any comments

  • Final topic, thyroid
Being on always throws my thyroid all out of whack. when i'm off and get a panel done through the doc it always come in just fine. any suggestions on regulating this better?




Final note, these aren't literally my first and second cycles, just referring to them as that for test reference.

and i couldn't get the images to load in the order i want, but one of the draws is labeled 1st draw, the other is obviously the second draw
 

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bro so basically your igf levels dropped after using hgh?...i mean i hope you not surprised that you can get fake hgh bro...
 
bro so basically your igf levels dropped after using hgh?...i mean i hope you not surprised that you can get fake hgh bro...

crazy huh? yes i'm fully aware you can get fake hgh... who would've thought. but as i stated it'd be quite the hassle to fake serostim. everything was sealed perfectly, the little scan code came back verified on the app, and ISL has a pretty good rep here
 
i have heard before that if your not taking insulin with HGH then its conversion rate to IGF-1 protein is fairly low. running HGH a long time with no insulin might bring you up, or maybe you just had some antibiotics or something.

i dont know how accurate this is as mentioned above either.
 
crazy huh? yes i'm fully aware you can get fake hgh... who would've thought. but as i stated it'd be quite the hassle to fake serostim. everything was sealed perfectly, the little scan code came back verified on the app, and ISL has a pretty good rep here

bro ton of hgh from china is igf1, insulin or just blank powder...or some poison china shit....
 
Usually the simplest option is the correct one, so I'd stick to the "fake HGH" scenario.
 
Thanks for posting these 420mike. Very similar to my situation - verified legit Seros via Serono's app, holos in place unmolested, not expired dates, but not stellar test results. Just leaves me with more questions. But 2 months in at 4iu/day I'm very happy with the results, and in the end that's all that really matters!


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I'm not convinced that igf tests or hgh serum tests are true indicators of real growth, but are related. Did you notice anything from the serostim, for your first time on growth?


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Hmm interesting out stuff was sealed and packages, we don't do any sort of business like that especially
Since my guys run them their selfs


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Thanks TM89
 
Hmm interesting out stuff was sealed and packages, we don't do any sort of business like that especially
Since my guys run them their selfs


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Thanks TM89

I not quite understanding what you're trying to say here. Can you please clarify?


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I not quite understanding what you're trying to say here. Can you please clarify?


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Some people are suggesting our hgh was fake, seros are almost impossible and we would never sell fake anything to begin with. So the fake hgh claims I'm attesting against that's all.


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Thanks TM89
 
I not quite understanding what you're trying to say here. Can you please clarify?


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I think what he's trying to say is that they are resellers of the gh you bought from them.


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I think what he's trying to say is that they are resellers of the gh you bought from them.


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Gotcha I.l need to pay better attention!


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Thanks TM89
 
Some people are suggesting our hgh was fake, seros are almost impossible and we would never sell fake anything to begin with. So the fake hgh claims I'm attesting against that's all.


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Thanks TM89

so how do you explain the igf bloods???

i have sero;s. I use 2-4iu ED, in 4-5wks i jump 70-80pts on a igf test. WTF happened here?
 
so how do you explain the igf bloods???

i have sero;s. I use 2-4iu ED, in 4-5wks i jump 70-80pts on a igf test. WTF happened here?

Well my Reputation among many of you here is outstanding so that should set the mindset first and foremost as you guys some Personally know me. I'd never sell purposely bunk products of any kind. The sero's we got were right from a friend from a clinic, vacuum sealed and the works. Everything checked out, every pouch was sealed as noted. Everything was within dates and everything verified by isl first and then by the app and finally By the customer.

As for what happened here I cannot tell you honestly as we followed protocol when sourcing our product of hgh. If wanted I'll Gladly discuss this with my guys and I can let them know what is going on.

Please just let me know! I'm here to help anyway and every way that I can.


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Thanks TM89
 
I have no doubt that these kits are legit. Not once was I trying to call them out. Why I reacted differently is unknown. Part of me wants to continue running them, part of me says it's not quite worth the cost. 2iu is certainly not enough it seems and that's been mentioned before by others. I'd buy the kits again from them in a hearbeat if i continue to run them, I just don't know if it's worth it at this point.

It also wasn't my intent to make this thread solely about my igf levels. everyone seems to have missed the 3 other issues i listed.

thanks myth for jumping in, it seems a few couldn't comprehend that i didn't buy some generic shit from china...
 
As far as your thyroid is concerned, are taking T3/T4? I take a pharma combo tab from Merck, T3-20mcg, T4-100mcg. One a day keeps levels right. You may want to look into it. PM me if you need source info.


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As far as your thyroid is concerned, are taking T3/T4? I take a pharma combo tab from Merck, T3-20mcg, T4-100mcg. One a day keeps levels right. You may want to look into it. PM me if you need source info.


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i do have some t4 on hand, was told running it helps when on hgh, i just never took any. not sure how to run it the best. as i said before my thyroid always comes back whack when i'm on cycle, but when i'm off it's all good. so i'm a little hesitant to just start screwing my thyroid
 
I'm not convinced that igf tests or hgh serum tests are true indicators of real growth, but are related. Did you notice anything from the serostim, for your first time on growth?


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I wish i had a better answer for you. I really don't know. I've only been on 3 months and thought blood work would be a great indicator of things. they say it really shines after 6months to a year. i'm half tempted to buy some generics and run a higher dose, 4-6iu. same cost, just more, but would be lower quality.

I'll probably just drop it all together honestly.. burn up the last kit i have and be done with it unless i really start to see amazin results
 
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