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Critique my cycle before I start - Epistane/PCT

Dtmiscool

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Hello,

Recently new member, found a few decent sources through here, just want to check the outline of my cycle before going ahead with you experienced users.

5ft 8"
150lbs
Training for approx 2 years
26 years old

Ok so now those brief stats are out of the way, lets get straight into it.. Ill be running havoc/epistane for 4 weeks followed by an appropriate PCT.

Competitive Edge Labs Cycle Assist shall be dosed at recommended dose of 4 caps am and 4 caps pm throughout the entire cycle, inclusive of PCT.

Havoc shall be run as follows:
Week 1: 30mg
Week: 2: 30mg
..and so on, 30mg ED for 4 weeks straight.


PCT: (I have nolvadex and aromasin on hand)

nolvadex shall be ran as 20/20/10/10
armasin 25mg E3D from week 5-7, then cease use for the last week, where nolvadex shall be ran alone at 10mg ED on week 8.

Aromasin I am still unsure of how to run, some advocate it during cycle at 12.5mg EOD and adjust from there, whilst some advocate it just for PCT to help with estrogen rebound issues. Others do not recommend it at all until symptoms occur, so I am very open on how this should be dosed.

Thoughts and advise would be highly appreciated as this is my first cycle and would like to do everything I possibly can right, money isn't really an object, I'd rather put my health first. I would prefer not to shut myself down through letro if aromasin will be just as good.

So without further adue, give me your thoughts men??

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I also forgot to mention I shall be running the usual fish oils @ 4g per day and a multi.

I have some generic OCT supps also, such as DAA, etc. But I am almost sure these won't be needed if the above it provided.
 
Your cycle looks good. I personally would use the liver aid n2guard from n2bm.com instead of Cycle assist, but that's up to you.

Run the aromasin at 12.5mg EOD throughout your cycle and mini PCT. I would also add a good natural testosterone booster to your mini PCT like HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com.

This is how I would run everything:

Week 1-4
Havoc 30mg/day
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Weeks 5 - 6
nolvadex 20mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com 5 capsules/day

Weeks 7 - 8
nolvadex 10mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com 5 capsules/day
 
Thanks for the feedback, nice to know I have pretty much everything nailed.

Any reason for running aromasin EOD whilst on cycle?

From what I've seen, havoc has anti-E properties, at least the pre methylated type did.

I wouldn't want to crush my estrogen production.
 
Whilst I respect your input, I've pretty much decided already that I feel like I want to give this a go, for experience at least. Call it impatience if you will, but I'm curious to see what gains can be made in such a short space of time.

I also forgot to mention I'm sitting at around 10.5% bf.
 
Whilst I respect your input, I've pretty much decided already that I feel like I want to give this a go, for experience at least. Call it impatience if you will, but I'm curious to see what gains can be made in such a short space of time.

I also forgot to mention I'm sitting at around 10.5% bf.

Follow the plan Muskate gave you then. That will be the best layout. I get the impatient part...you wouldn't be the first!


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Follow the plan Muskate gave you then. That will be the best layout. I get the impatient part...you wouldn't be the first!


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Thanks brother. The only question I ha e from the layout Muskate has given is running aromasin 12.5m EOD whilst on cycle, when from my understanding, Epistane has anti estrogen properties as it is.

Would you still recommend running an AI along with it?
 
Thanks brother. The only question I ha e from the layout Muskate has given is running aromasin 12.5m EOD whilst on cycle, when from my understanding, Epistane has anti estrogen properties as it is.

Would you still recommend running an AI along with it?

As long as it is legit epi, no ai needed brother. Good catch! Epi can actually lower estrogen. It's one of those compounds people either love or hate.


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@muskate has given you a good layout. Follow it, and you won't go wrong. As for the aromasin, while havoc does have anti-estrogen properties, those are not even nearly to being enough for on-cycle estrogen control. Hence the need for aromasin on cycle.
 
Appreciate all the feedback! Been preloading all of last week, started my first dose around 30 minutes ago. Maybe I'll make a log if anyone is interested in this on these forums??
 
Your cycle looks good. I personally would use the liver aid n2guard from n2bm.com instead of Cycle assist, but that's up to you.

Run the aromasin at 12.5mg EOD throughout your cycle and mini PCT. I would also add a good natural testosterone booster to your mini PCT like HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com.

This is how I would run everything:

Week 1-4
Havoc 30mg/day
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

Weeks 5 - 6
nolvadex 20mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com 5 capsules/day

Weeks 7 - 8
nolvadex 10mg/day
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
HCGenerate ES from n2bm.com 5 capsules/day

Also would suggest having aromasin all the way throughout, you do not want to risk the gyno issue
 
Appreciate the response! I've took this on board and shall do as you all advise.

Aromasin was the only thing I was unsure of dosage and timings, because everyone doses or advocates differently. But this seems to be the genuine consensus so far of 12.5mg EOD.

This also may sound silly but I have 2(mg tabs, splitting them down the middle and taking EOD should be fine right?

Regards.
 
Appreciate the response! I've took this on board and shall do as you all advise.

Aromasin was the only thing I was unsure of dosage and timings, because everyone doses or advocates differently. But this seems to be the genuine consensus so far of 12.5mg EOD.

This also may sound silly but I have 2(mg tabs, splitting them down the middle and taking EOD should be fine right?

Regards.

12.5mg EOD is a good dosage for aromasin.

I think you meant to say you have 25mg tabs? Then yes, that is correct. Break the tablets in half and use 1/2 a tablet every other day.
 
That is what I meant, silly phone.

Much appreciated guys. Second day on and still feel fine, a little hungrier today than normal.
 
That is what I meant, silly phone.

Much appreciated guys. Second day on and still feel fine, a little hungrier today than normal.

Cool. Keep us posted here - we are always glad to see logs and the progress people make!
 
That is what I meant, silly phone.

Much appreciated guys. Second day on and still feel fine, a little hungrier today than normal.

You might as well keep this updated and log your cycle!
 
3rd day on today, still at 30mg/day. No change in how I feel or any improvements inside the gym. Not expecting much until week 2 - 4.

My throat does feel sore this morning, almost like a cold coming on. A bit of congestion maybe? Wondering if it's ok to take any flu capsules whilst taking my doses. Silly question really, but some my liver is going to be taking a hit, I was unsure?

Let's hope I don't get ill, that would seriously suck.
 
Appreciate the response! I've took this on board and shall do as you all advise.

Aromasin was the only thing I was unsure of dosage and timings, because everyone doses or advocates differently. But this seems to be the genuine consensus so far of 12.5mg EOD.

This also may sound silly but I have 2(mg tabs, splitting them down the middle and taking EOD should be fine right?

Regards.

Yes, you can split 20mg tab into two and take it EOD
 
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