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@aussie.muncher var does the same to me and my tendons man.
Its bad dude every time I felt gtg after a week off Id train or go for a walk and it would feel like my tendons about to snap. Var is out for me in the future. What do you use in its place mate?
Yep I switched back to TRT already, Ill get my health good again and in a 3-6 months try doing this better.
Great advice man and I have saved this one into the memory banks for the future. I'll never give up man its not an optionMy 2c bro, the stack is fine but where some issues were introduced is - first cycle should have been focused on seeing how your body responds to testosterone. Seeing how you respond to aromatization and learn the best way to control e2 that suits your body's response. Nandrolone in first cycle, 19nors sides are tricky regardless as individual response varies significantly from person to person and deca being such a long ester is always going to problematic trying to cut it out if and when sides show up. Npp would have been a better option for your first run with Nandrolone as when problems come about you could have cut it a lot quicker. Last one is the var, not sure if you had bloods dont prior and seen where your organ health way at but this always a must. Biggest thing brother is you introduced 3 variables, larger dose test/19nor/oral, on a first run so was will always be an issue seeing which compound caused you the drama or if they all contributed. Heal up and rest the body come back and try just a higher test cycle maybe? Learn how much training your body can handle whilst getting enough recovery. Try different nutritional approaches in the meantime to see your bodies response. Don't give up though bro just reset, readjust and try again. All the best legend
Thanks for the feedback.
Im back on 1ml test-e per week split in 2. And I already feel alot better.
I wasn't silly and listened to my body, I cut the var 2 weeks early as well during cycle, also used aromain and Nolvadex to try and control the estrogen, I even dropped test and deca dosage but I think once the symptoms showed up it was to late. No matter what I did things got worse but now I am feeling better on TRT, time to recover and regroup. I learned a lot from this.
Do you get blood tests?
My first cycle was 300 test and 400 primo i purposely picked gear i knew was low sides easy to mange and give me a hassle free cycle, i was worried to much that what you went through i would go through and i didnt want any of that, so i took the low and slow approach.
AI i would have deployed day 1 and did an eod protocol with that and made sure my numbers stabilized well within range.
Even with experience if you take years off never jump into the deep end of the pool, 19nors are incredibly hard and fickle, npp would have been the better choice.
Plus i would have cut that test dose in half, better starting out conservative then going for the home run, majority of these sides could have been prevented and avoided.
I wish you a speedy healthy and better recovery brother.
AI i would have deployed day 1 and did an eod protocol with that and made sure my numbers stabilized well within range.
Even with experience if you take years off never jump into the deep end of the pool, 19nors are incredibly hard and fickle, npp would have been the better choice.
Plus i would have cut that test dose in half, better starting out conservative then going for the home run, majority of these sides could have been prevented and avoided.
I wish you a speedy healthy and better recovery brother.
@aussie.muncher t takes courage to share your experience, especially when things don't go as planned. You made the right call prioritizing your health and ending the cycle early. Side effects like those are serious, and no amount of gains is worth jeopardizing your well-being.
Howdy Lads
Thought I'd pop in and give an update.
Its not good.
I am only on TRT right now everything else was stopped as per my last post.
I can't get my kidney and liver to function correctly and its causing me big drama's, no matter how much minerals and water I consume I am still constantly dehydrated among a whole array of other problems, to many to fully cover in my weak state.
It's been rough, I am 4kg Lighter then when I started this cycle and most days can not train, had to cut back protein as well to help my liver recover.
Going to get full blood work done next week and I will post the results here.
Thought I'd pop in and give an update.
Its not good.
I am only on TRT right now everything else was stopped as per my last post.
I can't get my kidney and liver to function correctly and its causing me big drama's, no matter how much minerals and water I consume I am still constantly dehydrated among a whole array of other problems, to many to fully cover in my weak state.
It's been rough, I am 4kg Lighter then when I started this cycle and most days can not train, had to cut back protein as well to help my liver recover.
Going to get full blood work done next week and I will post the results here.
@aussie.muncher welcome back to the EVO family
I think your issue is lack of electrolytes and proper food IMO.
what level of electrolytes you taking in? what foods?
I don't get a lot of electrolytes from food as my body doesn't tolerate carbs and sugars well, I have some carbs in the form of broccoli etc but my diet is pretty much keto.@aussie.muncher welcome back to the EVO family
I think your issue is lack of electrolytes and proper food IMO.
what level of electrolytes you taking in? what foods?
For electrolytes I have 1/4 teaspoon of Baja Gold salt in the morning and again in the evening.
@aussie.muncher you can easily take sodium potassium magnesium electrolyte powder, try that. Salts alone are not enough.
