Dboll expert cycle

[griknispo]

I will start Dboll use next month.

It will be a 1-5 week use: Dboll 20 mg a day (5mg 4x a day - 6 to 6 hrs) +Tamoxifeno 10 mg a day

Then i will start week 6-10 with:
Deposteron 200mg twice a week (400mg per week) + Trembolona 75mg twice a week (150mg a week)

TPC:
Tamoxifeno 10mg a day 11-14
Clomid 20mg a day 11-12
Dboll 10 mg a day (5mg 2x a day) 11-14

My big question is: Do i really need to use a testosteron togheter with Dboll in the first 5 weeks?

My goal is not to gain a lot of weight, but a moderate gain in the first 5 weeks, and in week 6-10 i want to give some quality to my gains.

the bodybuilders of 70's - 80's used to integrate Dboll with deca durabolin without any testosteron togheter. But considerating Dboll is a 17aa derivated from testo, use more testo as a "base" would be reduntant and supress even more the natural production of testosteron

 

[gearhead]

bro you should start testosterone from day 1 and you need to drop the nolva and replace with an AI like aromasin...

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

bro you should start testosterone from day 1 and you need to drop the nolva and replace with an AI like aromasin...

yea bro...listen to gearhead. You need a test base to run with dbol. If not, you will gain tons of water and side effects with little in keepable gains. I would run test for 12 weeks, dbol for the first 4, and make sure you have an AI like aromasin from ag-guys.com at 10mg every other day. Then follow with the perfect pct.

 

[muskate]

1. You need to run the dbol with a testosterone base

2. Replace the nolvadex with aromasin

3. You need a liver aid when using the dbol as it is extremely liver toxic. I recommend n2guard from n2bm.com at 7 capsules/day
http://needtobuildmuscle.com/store/N2-Guard-Tudca-Back-Order-p322.html

4. DO NOT include dbol in your PCT. Your PCT will be essentially useless incorporating dbol in it because the dbol with suppress your natural testosterone production.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone 400mg/week
aromasin 10mg every other day

weeks 1 - 5
dbol 20mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[LevButlerov]

I will start Dboll use next month.

It will be a 1-5 week use: Dboll 20 mg a day (5mg 4x a day - 6 to 6 hrs) +Tamoxifeno 10 mg a day

Then i will start week 6-10 with:
Deposteron 200mg twice a week (400mg per week) + Trembolona 75mg twice a week (150mg a week)

TPC:
Tamoxifeno 10mg a day 11-14
Clomid 20mg a day 11-12
Dboll 10 mg a day (5mg 2x a day) 11-14

My big question is: Do i really need to use a testosteron togheter with Dboll in the first 5 weeks?

My goal is not to gain a lot of weight, but a moderate gain in the first 5 weeks, and in week 6-10 i want to give some quality to my gains.

the bodybuilders of 70's - 80's used to integrate Dboll with deca durabolin without any testosteron togheter. But considerating Dboll is a 17aa derivated from testo, use more testo as a "base" would be reduntant and supress even more the natural production of testosteron

This is quite a mess of a cycle. First of all, it is not a good idea to use DBol without a test base, as the results won't be sustainable. Secondly, you need to use a good liver protecting supplement (such as N2Guard) with oral steroids, as they are all liver toxic. Then you also need to run an AI from the first day of the cycle, and Tamoxifen (Nolva) should be used in PCT, not on cycle. The best AI for cycling is Aromasin.

Then, 4 weeks of trenbolone won't give you any results, only side effects. You need to run it for at least 10 weeks together with testosterone. Finally, your PCT is extremely weak - run the perfect PCT if you want to get recovered, and keep your gains. Without a good PCT you will have a very hard time recovering, and will lose a big part of your gains.

 

[stevesmi]

the bodybuilders of 70's - 80's used to integrate Dboll with deca durabolin without any testosteron togheter. But considerating Dboll is a 17aa derivated from testo, use more testo as a "base" would be reduntant and supress even more the natural production of testosteron

this is true, however back then they had no AI's so they had no choice in the matter.

for me I do not think dbol/test is a good stack at all, way too much water retention and a lot of estrogenic sides to worry about. I would much rather someone run var or tbol instead

 

[griknispo]

I'm 26 years old, 1,75m, 91 kg and i'm clean/ natural this past 3 years.

My goal is to go from 91 to 95-98kg with 8-10% bf.

I went to an endocrinologist today and he explained somethigns and changed anothers:

Dboll is an 17aa, so it is basicaly a modified testo but with a low androgen level (40 - 60) ... if i use a testo like deposteron or durateston 1-10 weeks and dboll 1-5 weeks i would have in the end 5 weeks of testo supression. So it does not worth too.
Also if a use deposteron + trembolona just for 5 weeks i would get just the bad part.
So i will do a Dboll use for 5 weeks as a quick start and then 1-10 weeks of low dose depo + trembo

See bellow:

Week 1-5
D-boll 20mg a day with + aromasin 5mg every day + liver protection.
**In this case Dboll will act like a quick starter with dirt gains and liquid retention.


Weeks 6-15 (total 10 weeks_:
Deposteron 200mg/week
Trembo: 150mg/ week (75mg twice)
**Due to half- life of this ae's i will have:

Depo x week's:

1) 200 mg > 2)200mg + 100mg 3) 200mg + 100mg + 50mg 4)200mg + 100mg + 50mg + 75 mg

Conclusion: since week 2-3 i will have 300mg to 350mg and in week 5-6 i will have 393,75mg (theorical), very close to 400mg recomendated per week to a secure minimum level to anabolism. Since i would have gain a lot of weight and water with dboll this 10 week low level testo will be enought to keep part of the initial gains. ( i will probably lost 25% to 30% of the initial dboll gains).

Trembolona will be used in a secure level to, since i would have gain weight in the beging with dboll, trembo will do waht a trembolona do.

How i used a deposteron with a big half life ... i will start my pct 4x deposteron half life ... so it will be 24 to 28 days after the last aplication.

During this 28 days ( 4 weeks):

Week's 16-17-18:
Dboll 10 mg a day + aromazin + liver protection

Week 19:
Dboll 5 mg a day + aromazin + liver protection

Week 20:

***Begining of standar pct (clomid + tamoxifeno) + HCG 250UI 3-3 days

CONCLUSION:

I did 1-10 weeks LOW DOSE durateston + trembolona use 3 years ago and went from 75 to 85 without significant colaterals and it was great.

Butt this thing of add Dboll in the beginig and in the gap of the end of this cicle and the beging of tpc is a thing i see few times...

I WILL DO MEDICAL EXAMS in the end of this week and will do everything togheter with my endocrino ...

I will post results here too, if you want to go togheter with me and see results, pro's and con's.

After i beging it i will post some pics of before and after.

 

[LevButlerov]

It is pointless to use dbol as a kick start if you don't run the test at the same time. What will end up happening, is that you dbol will be out of the system, and the test will not start working for some time. The point in using a kickstarter is to start both steroids at the same time, so that one will be working whilst the other one is beginning to work.

 

[muskate]

No no no no. Your endocrinologist is wrong. Putting ANY exogenous steroid into your body will suppress your natural HPTA and testosterone production. Dbol alone will suppress you.

Follow the cycle I outlined above. I am speaking from years of experience and research.

 

[Mikhail]

well you wont die without testosterone since you getting Tamoxifeno but it is pointless to do, no big results even you may encounter some libido decrease and anxiety. And Tamoxifeno is better for Post cycle therapy not in cycle so get rid of it and take something else. i would highly recommend Testosterone otherwise dont do it at all is pointless. And who told you that you will gain a ton of weight if you take testosterone? LOL think that when you will stop cycle most of weight you gained it will get lost cuz is just water weight so in the end you will see only the quality you gained once you discontinue testo + db ... read carefully the above comments and you will be fine

 

[MikeSnow]

much better options than dbol, but 10mg a day seems way too little man.. bump it up to at least 40

 

[MikeSnow]

dbol alone is a waste imo, run it with some test