dead bodybuilders

[maxwell0612]

Of course there is shady stuff behind the sense no doubt about it! But what sport doesn't? Let's take jay cutler or Ronnie they never did that stuff can we use them as role models instead of our friends? Jay came from the bottom so did Ronnie that's just to mention a few! And than there's Kia who did this g4p shit and gives us a bad name but of course we remember that not the hard working jay who did it the right way!!!

Honestly no one knows what Jay or Ronnie did before they made it. A lot of guys have sugar daddies that no one knows about because these guys are very, very discreet. They know that their relationship with the bb depends on secrecy so they are good at hiding it. You would be surprised at how many pros have done things like g4p before making it. After on national show I did I got a call from a dr. In California, I lived in va at the time. He said I could move in with him, he would pay for all my bb expenses and I could just eat and train. I just couldn't bring myself to consider it even at that, which was my highest point of bb insanity. But, I'm sure he just went down the list until he found a bb desperate enough to accept.

 

[getbig1989]

Honestly no one knows what Jay or Ronnie did before they made it. A lot of guys have sugar daddies that no one knows about because these guys are very, very discreet. They know that their relationship with the bb depends on secrecy so they are good at hiding it. You would be surprised at how many pros have done things like g4p before making it. After on national show I did I got a call from a dr. In California, I lived in va at the time. He said I could move in with him, he would pay for all my bb expenses and I could just eat and train. I just couldn't bring myself to consider it even at that, which was my highest point of bb insanity. But, I'm sure he just went down the list until he found a bb desperate enough to accept.

We will agree to disagree lol I think we are very set on our ways! Bb is a life style just like any other sport! We seeing these guys die so quickly Bc they would be doing other recreational drugs along with there aas!


This post was written by a pro bodybuilder we won't mention his name

STEROIDS AND DEATH:
STEROIDS AND DEATH:

there is realy no death pool from hormones ,, this is the saddest thing about our cult,, some bad apples ruined it for all of us,, atleast 50% of the cult is normal bodybuilders thsat just want to build their body and compete or work as fitness model or just have btter physiqes with or with out hormones...those 50% who choose steroids suffer greatly from the other 50% among us who do narcotics and high doses insulina and diuretics,,they kill themselves and then everyone blame everything on the poor steroids who really only make you healthier,, its quite sad ,, the reputation of steroids among public is so bad due to the bad 50% of us that it failed us all ,, it really did,,

look at true bodybuilders liek zane...like many others...they live to be old and happy ,,many more than zane..many of the 70s and 80s are living to be old ,, look at haney and he used some serious shit but! didnt use narcotics and didnt abuse diuretics and insulina!

it really comes to the bad 50% among us who ruin it to all the good serious bodybuilders,, so many bodybuilders dont even drink!! i know so many bodybuilders who cant even drink alcohol they cant stand it,, they really dont drink ,, then come the other 50%...and fuck it all up with some x and some cocaine and some fast diuretic to get in the club dry ...and insulina to be heavy set,, and some pain killers to num everything and some tynalol and advil to take the headache away ...oh and yes some hormones lol and the poor hormones are the ones who get blames while those 50% sit and drink 6 packs like there is no tomorow and pop x into their mouth and on few diff narcotic meds...

fellas you DO NOT die from steroids ,, PERIOD,, unless you are already having cancer from before...or really really condition from before which is rare ,, even then you usualy dont die

 

[Road Rash]

Competitive bb is absolutely crazy, period. I can tell story after story of dysfunctional bbs because all my friends were bbs and they all were dysfunctional drug users. None had jobs, none went to college except me. Stripping and bouncing was the profession of choice. They all sold drugs, steroids and cocaine, k, e, ect. Who the fuck wants to live that way? Some are names you would recognize but I don't want to out them. However, one was Jason Arntz and he's been all over the news so I can talk about him. I knew him when he was 17. He was a huge dealer and he got caught more than once. A total fuckin typical NJ juice head with no life but bb. And if I had a kid who wanted to be a bb I would beat the shit out of him until he changed his mind.

Ha, perfectly put!

 

[Road Rash]

Get Big, people can AND do die from steroid abuse, and I've been around some of the best gyms in the world for many years. Longer than you've be alive, I can assure you. I know of at least a half dozen cases, two of which were some of my closest friends who died directly from the use and abuse of steroids. Neither one of them did recreational drugs. One died of a stroke in the wrestling ring while on tour in Germany, and the other died of kidney-renal failure. It's irresponsible and unethical to say that steroids are harmless. There are huge risks. That being said, the responsible and judicious use of steroids by otherwise healthy adult men, who follow strict protocols and monitor their health throughout their cycles, should not be an issue. When I see some of the cycles that people promote on this and other sites, I just shake my head. Five, six, seven compounds at once, multiple orals at once, throw in all the other stuff, and it can be a recipe for disaster. If you think otherwise, then I hope the best for you. Many times, these guys haven't followed one of the most important rules of gear usage. Do one compound at a time to know what it does to your particular physiology. Introduce other compounds slowly, one at a time. so that when you stack you can isolate potential issues and problems, and develop an exit strategy in case shit goes sideways. Or not...just go for it! Stack Test, tren, NPP, EQ, Winny, D-bol, Var, Androl, and then throw some peptides and ancillaries on top of it! Do what you like, but don't cry when your seeing your life swirling down the shitter.

 

[M_T pockets]

^^^Good read and I agree^^^

 

[stevesmi]

We will agree to disagree lol I think we are very set on our ways! Bb is a life style just like any other sport! We seeing these guys die so quickly Bc they would be doing other recreational drugs along with there aas!

I still think you are missing the point.. we are talking about responsible steroid use. cycling off and on. running bloodwork. 0% of competitive bodybuilders do all of the above. they stay on atleast moderate doses year round, stacking 4+ compounds.. more like 8 if you count growth etc.

as for steroids alone not killing you, I assure you if you run moderate doses or more year round and make a habit of that eventually it will catch up to you. a lot of them also get into rec drugs, but its because they are in so much emotional and physical pain .. injuries? HA! pop some oxy... my muscles look flat ? HA! pop some nubain. etc etc.

 

[maxwell0612]

The whole thing just spirals out of control when a bb starts competing. No one starts out with the intention of doing the things needed to be done in high level bb. I guess what I'm trying to say is that steroids, ect. Are very addictive as is competitive bb. And bb competitions reward the most fucked up bbs because those are the ones willing to do what it takes. I was absolutely out of my mind. I would take anything if someone said it would help with no research or anything. I took cytadren for my last show on the advice of my drug guru of the day and I still have no fuckin clue what cytadren was supposed to do. 90% of competitive bbs are addicts to multiple things. When your pining aas several times a day it's very easy to pin some Nubain because your not sleeping right from the diet. The last regional level show i did (it was the metropolitan in ny and was crazy quality for a show that level. Victor Martinez won the overall, Caprice Murray, Gennaro Brigante who are both now ifbb pros were also in the show) I got so fuckin dry it was crazy. I was by far the hardest guy in the whole show, Victor was asking me what I took and what I used to dry out. But I could barely stand up without passing out, my whole body would start tingling and shaking at times, I was completely light headed and at one point forgot where I was. But I didn't care because I won my class and that was all that mattered ti me. Again, the whole thing is absolutely crazy.

 

[maxwell0612]

Bump for those considering competing

 

[Polish Rifle]

Maxwell,

Here's a good article on the recent passing of Mike Matarazzo, with quotes from the recently deceased on his steroid abuse:

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2014/08/the-path-you-take-and-consequences-of.html

 

[M_T pockets]

Nice read Polish. Hell thats 3/4 of this forum lol

 

[Polish Rifle]

Ha!

Paul Carter is a good follow on Social Media.

 

[maxwell0612]

Maxwell,

Here's a good article on the recent passing of Mike Matarazzo, with quotes from the recently deceased on his steroid abuse:

http://www.lift-run-bang.com/2014/08/the-path-you-take-and-consequences-of.html

This article should be a sticky on this forum. It sums up the utter stupidity that is competitive bodybuilding.

 

[Casca]

It should be noted that all of these guys mentioned were monster and pushing the envelope in a very fast way. I remember all these guys b4 they were pros. Damn and have the magazines the cover these behemoths.

 

[M_T pockets]

This article should be a sticky on this forum. It sums up the utter stupidity that is competitive bodybuilding.

I agree!!!

 

[maxwell0612]

It should be noted that all of these guys mentioned were monster and pushing the envelope in a very fast way. I remember all these guys b4 they were pros. Damn and have the magazines the cover these behemoths.

Don't kid yourself it's not only mass monsters that are having health problems. I know a guy who wasn't even a competitor just a juice head who didn't come off ever. He wasn't even 200 pounds. He dropped dead on the street. The doctors told his family that he had the organs of a 70 year old and he was in his 30's. I know another non competitor who has a pacemaker at 35 and the idiot is still using aas.

 

[stevesmi]

Don't kid yourself it's not only mass monsters that are having health problems. I know a guy who wasn't even a competitor just a juice head who didn't come off ever. He wasn't even 200 pounds. He dropped dead on the street. The doctors told his family that he had the organs of a 70 year old and he was in his 30's. I know another non competitor who has a pacemaker at 35 and the idiot is still using aas.

yeah I will never understand if you don't make a living off of this why you would even juice in the first place.. makes no sense to me. I guess its insecurity

 

[meathead96]

Thanks polish, that was an eye opening article

 

[getbig1989]

I still think you are missing the point.. we are talking about responsible steroid use. cycling off and on. running bloodwork. 0% of competitive bodybuilders do all of the above. they stay on atleast moderate doses year round, stacking 4+ compounds.. more like 8 if you count growth etc.

as for steroids alone not killing you, I assure you if you run moderate doses or more year round and make a habit of that eventually it will catch up to you. a lot of them also get into rec drugs, but its because they are in so much emotional and physical pain .. injuries? HA! pop some oxy... my muscles look flat ? HA! pop some nubain. etc etc.

What do you mean 0% of bb do that I do that,every one I know here gets bloods and cycle off they may take a trt dose while they clean up from the blast.I don't get what your saying so a few bad apples are going to ruin it for the guys who do it right? Get bloods and cycle off exc exc

 

[Casca]

Don't kid yourself it's not only mass monsters that are having health problems. I know a guy who wasn't even a competitor just a juice head who didn't come off ever. He wasn't even 200 pounds. He dropped dead on the street. The doctors told his family that he had the organs of a 70 year old and he was in his 30's. I know another non competitor who has a pacemaker at 35 and the idiot is still using aas.

I am aware, I was just pointing it out. Just wait til some females start falling off due to the extreme measures they take. Makes eating disorders take second stage.

 

[EER]

Ha!

Paul Carter is a good follow on Social Media.

Lol I use to read his ad Jamie Lewis blog...u do know Jamie did gay for pay...both of those dude have done more juice than prolly 90% of this board.