Deca / Test Cycle + Extras

[D34DP00L]

Hey there,

I’ve mainly been doing Test Cycles (over 2 years), but have recently taken a 6 month hiatus from it all. I’m getting back into it and after my last cycle some 6 months ago of Deca & Test going well I’ve decided to do another.

I’ve also thought about front loading Dbol to get it started on a 16 week cycle and adding Proviron to mitigate Deca dick and such, but every time I read things about Proviron I get conflicting answers.

Currently 178CM (5’10”) and 86KG (189LB) and looking to just go for the mass side of things. Diet isn’t too bad as it’s pretty much all dictated by meal prep and MyMuscleChef meals to calorie count.

It’ll be the usual 500mg Test E, 400mg Deca p/week kinda cycle unless there’s a better way. I’m open to opinions. I train 5-6 days a week.

 

[stevesmi]

if you don't want to run proviron than add masteron for the cycle at 250mg a week. that will take care of the issue

 

[D34DP00L]

if you don't want to run proviron than add masteron for the cycle at 250mg a week. that will take care of the issue

I’m not adverse to taking it at all, but at what frequency should I be taking it?

 

[awm1981]

Proviron would be 50mg/day the entire cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

i generally always recommend 50 mg per day for the full cycle...

 

[D34DP00L]

Proviron would be 50mg/day the entire cycle.

i generally always recommend 50 mg per day for the full cycle...

Is there any advantage to taking 50mg over say 25mg? Is the benefit actually worth the double dosage? I’m new the stacking side of things, so just looking to get the right info before blowing a grand or so.

 

[D34DP00L]

Proviron would be 50mg/day the entire cycle.

i generally always recommend 50 mg per day for the full cycle...

Is the benefit really worth taking double the dosage? I’m new to adding stuff to a regular stack, so just wanting to get all the info beforehand.

 

[Mobster]

1) No one needs to front load
2) 6 months off... how long have your cycles been previously?

 

[D34DP00L]

1) No one needs to front load
2) 6 months off... how long have your cycles been previously?

No more than 12 weeks. One was 12 weeks then cruised for a bit. Then jumped back in for another 12 then had a fair bit between, then had a Deca/Test cycle. Once that was done I came off for 6-7 months.

 

[awm1981]

Is the benefit really worth taking double the dosage? I’m new to adding stuff to a regular stack, so just wanting to get all the info beforehand.

You can start at 25mg but 50mg is the sweet spot especially if running 400mg+/week of deca.

 

[D34DP00L]

You can start at 25mg but 50mg is the sweet spot especially if running 400mg+/week of deca.

Ahh I see. Gonna be an expensive 16 week cycle taking 50mg a day, I’ll see how I go for the first few weeks running 25 and then jump to 50. Or is the benefit of starting at 50 and staying there worth the extra dosh?

 

[awm1981]

I mean really up to you there is no harm starting at 25mg then increasing or if you are happy at 25mg just stay there.

 

[D34DP00L]

I mean really up to you there is no harm starting at 25mg then increasing or if you are happy at 25mg just stay there.

I’m still new to Proviron and there’s conflicting stuff out there in it. What should I see from taking 25mg a day of it? Any obvious changes?

 

[awm1981]

For me I pick up vascularity and helps with sex drive.

I combats deca dick too that some people get.

Deca can convert to DNH which proviron is a DHT and helps free up test in your body.

 

[D34DP00L]

For me I pick up vascularity and helps with sex drive.

I combats deca dick too that some people get.

Deca can convert to DNH which proviron is a DHT and helps free up test in your body.

Sounds like a trade off well worth the money. I’ll try 25mg for the first week and then up to 50 and see if it’s a noticeable difference. Thanks again for the advice and insight.

 

[awm1981]

Sounds like a trade off well worth the money. I’ll try 25mg for the first week and then up to 50 and see if it’s a noticeable difference. Thanks again for the advice and insight.

Yea def worth running. Its oral masteron so all the hardening and vascularity gains along with the slight AI properties and lowering of SHBG (which free up more test) that you get with injectable mast you get with proviron.

Proviron isnt liver toxic either which is nice!

 

[awm1981]

For me I pick up vascularity and helps with sex drive.

I combats deca dick too that some people get.

Deca can convert to DNH which proviron is a DHT and helps free up test in your body.

 

[Redawg]

For me I pick up vascularity and helps with sex drive.

I combats deca dick too that some people get.

Deca can convert to DNH which proviron is a DHT and helps free up test in your body.

If proviron has slight AI properties can this enable you to reduce your AI dose while on cycle w test/deca. I’m on the same cycle now with sust500/deca 400 (Pharmacom/DS) and taking Arimidex 12.5 eod. No problems with deca dick or gyno, week 8 of 14 begins today. Should I add proviron to ensure test is free (and also the vaso/hardening benefits). I feel like I’m overthinking things and I’m overwhelmed with info to the point of paranoia about it all. I was taking 20mg Rad-140 ed in the hopes of prostate protection (in my 40s) but started feeling drained a week after implementing Rad so I dropped it and feeling better a week after.
PS - anyone know how you get PSL to respond to emails?

 

[awm1981]

If proviron has slight AI properties can this enable you to reduce your AI dose while on cycle w test/deca. I’m on the same cycle now with sust500/deca 400 (Pharmacom/DS) and taking Arimidex 12.5 eod. No problems with deca dick or gyno, week 8 of 14 begins today. Should I add proviron to ensure test is free (and also the vaso/hardening benefits). I feel like I’m overthinking things and I’m overwhelmed with info to the point of paranoia about it all. I was taking 20mg Rad-140 ed in the hopes of prostate protection (in my 40s) but started feeling drained a week after implementing Rad so I dropped it and feeling better a week after.
PS - anyone know how you get PSL to respond to emails?

So you may be able to reduce your AI but only bloods will tell.

If you havent had any issues with deca dick or anything then you dont need it but I find its helpful.

PSL you can message macedog or vision here as well if you need help.

 

[Redawg]

Thank you bro! First deca cycle and only 2nd cycle ever.

I don’t have enough posts to send private messages apparently, but I mentioned my problem in the reviews section hoping Vision or Macedog would see and respond. Packages said to scratch off foil and verify code at Euro pharm website. No foil on box though just message to scratch foil...weird but maybe easy explanation.

Thanks again dude

 

[cbbram]

looks ok to me

 

[RickRock]

Priviron is worth running at 50mg. 25 mg won't do much at all. Proviron is pretty weak even at 50mg. Its no comparison to masteron at all. Masteron blows it out of the water which is why I personally prefer masteron with deca and not proviron. Its a much better and more effective combo

 

[D34DP00L]

Yea def worth running. Its oral masteron so all the hardening and vascularity gains along with the slight AI properties and lowering of SHBG (which free up more test) that you get with injectable mast you get with proviron.

Proviron isnt liver toxic either which is nice!

Good to know. I’m taking Milk Thistle and such for liver strain. I can’t get access to N2 Guard here unfortunately otherwise I’d jump on it.

For me I pick up vascularity and helps with sex drive.

I combats deca dick too that some people get.

Deca can convert to DNH which proviron is a DHT and helps free up test in your body.

Would be nice to pick up a little more vascularity. Since dropping 50KG a few years ago I’ve picked up a bit, but more is better for aesthetics I guess. As for Deca dick, I didn’t really have a problem, but anything preventative measure is great.

If proviron has slight AI properties can this enable you to reduce your AI dose while on cycle w test/deca. I’m on the same cycle now with sust500/deca 400 (Pharmacom/DS) and taking Arimidex 12.5 eod. No problems with deca dick or gyno, week 8 of 14 begins today. Should I add proviron to ensure test is free (and also the vaso/hardening benefits). I feel like I’m overthinking things and I’m overwhelmed with info to the point of paranoia about it all. I was taking 20mg Rad-140 ed in the hopes of prostate protection (in my 40s) but started feeling drained a week after implementing Rad so I dropped it and feeling better a week after.
PS - anyone know how you get PSL to respond to emails?

So you may be able to reduce your AI but only bloods will tell.

If you havent had any issues with deca dick or anything then you dont need it but I find its helpful.

PSL you can message macedog or vision here as well if you need help.

Thank you bro! First deca cycle and only 2nd cycle ever.

I don’t have enough posts to send private messages apparently, but I mentioned my problem in the reviews section hoping Vision or Macedog would see and respond. Packages said to scratch off foil and verify code at Euro pharm website. No foil on box though just message to scratch foil...weird but maybe easy explanation.

Thanks again dude

Priviron is worth running at 50mg. 25 mg won't do much at all. Proviron is pretty weak even at 50mg. Its no comparison to masteron at all. Masteron blows it out of the water which is why I personally prefer masteron with deca and not proviron. Its a much better and more effective combo

Alright, I’ll cop the extra costs involved as the consensus seems to be that 50mg is a good starting spot for it.

I appreciate all the info.

 

[1Michaelv]

I'd run 250-300mg test a week and 250mg deca.

At your size you don't need roughly double that amount.

FOOD is anabolic. I can grow like crazy if I eat alot and get enough sleep - without steroids. The difference is the steroids accelerate the rate of growth and cause more of my caloric surplus to turn into muscle - so I don't gain nearly as much fat on steroids as when natty.

You don't need that much gear.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I love how deca works on me so I would do test at 200mg and deca at 400-600mg per week. Proviron is a must for me so I would do 50mg per day. I do not typically kick start any cycles so that would be my layout. Of course with cardarine in there at 20mg per day as well.

 

[Tazz]

why can’t you get access to N2BM products?

 

[D34DP00L]

I love how deca works on me so I would do test at 200mg and deca at 400-600mg per week. Proviron is a must for me so I would do 50mg per day. I do not typically kick start any cycles so that would be my layout. Of course with cardarine in there at 20mg per day as well.

Hey guys, me again. Never ended up getting on cycle due to the lockdowns in my country and yada yada yada bullshit bullshit.

Going off of what Masonic has said here, I was thinking of doing the following. Tell me if I’m retarded or off base. I’m still around the same weight, have leaned out to about 83kg now with home workouts and such, but this cycle will begin once gyms open back up.

Deca - 600mg (3mL) a week.
Sus250 - 250mg (1mL) a week.
Mast E - 200mg (1mL) a week.
Cardarine - 20mg ED

I’d basically be pinning 2.5mL twice a week. Ass is gonna be sore, but hopefully worth it.

I’m in my 30’s now and have contemplated moving towards HGH as well. Could be stupid, could be worthwhile. Seems the older blokes (late 30’s early 40’s) are getting good results mixing in with their regular cycles.

With all that in mind. Thoughts?

 

[awm1981]

Hey guys, me again. Never ended up getting on cycle due to the lockdowns in my country and yada yada yada bullshit bullshit.

Going off of what Masonic has said here, I was thinking of doing the following. Tell me if I’m retarded or off base. I’m still around the same weight, have leaned out to about 83kg now with home workouts and such, but this cycle will begin once gyms open back up.

Deca - 600mg (3mL) a week.
Sus250 - 250mg (1mL) a week.
Mast E - 200mg (1mL) a week.
Cardarine - 20mg ED

I’d basically be pinning 2.5mL twice a week. Ass is gonna be sore, but hopefully worth it.

I’m in my 30’s now and have contemplated moving towards HGH as well. Could be stupid, could be worthwhile. Seems the older blokes (late 30’s early 40’s) are getting good results mixing in with their regular cycles.

With all that in mind. Thoughts?

Looks pretty good!

On HGH run you HGH blood serum test and IGF test and see where you are. Just adding HGH if your body is making enough isnt going to drastically help unless you plan on using a ton and using insulin (which i dont recommend!)

 

[D34DP00L]

Looks pretty good!

On HGH run you HGH blood serum test and IGF test and see where you are. Just adding HGH if your body is making enough isnt going to drastically help unless you plan on using a ton and using insulin (which i dont recommend!)

Thanks for that. I’ll get my levels tested and see how I go. A lot of them use it more-so to look and feel “youthful” i’m told.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey guys, me again. Never ended up getting on cycle due to the lockdowns in my country and yada yada yada bullshit bullshit.

Going off of what Masonic has said here, I was thinking of doing the following. Tell me if I’m retarded or off base. I’m still around the same weight, have leaned out to about 83kg now with home workouts and such, but this cycle will begin once gyms open back up.

Deca - 600mg (3mL) a week.
Sus250 - 250mg (1mL) a week.
Mast E - 200mg (1mL) a week.
Cardarine - 20mg ED

I’d basically be pinning 2.5mL twice a week. Ass is gonna be sore, but hopefully worth it.

I’m in my 30’s now and have contemplated moving towards HGH as well. Could be stupid, could be worthwhile. Seems the older blokes (late 30’s early 40’s) are getting good results mixing in with their regular cycles.

With all that in mind. Thoughts?

You're not retarded and not off base, good cycle layout.

I would do a small change here. Here is my take on your cycle.

250mgs sustanon/week
400mgs of deca durabolin/week
200mgs masteron enanathate/week
cardarine gw 20mgs/ED
aromasin 12.5mgs/week split into 2 doses/week

I would add HGH 3 IUs per day if you can afford it, 5 days on 2 days off.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I love the layout. The masteron is a great addition to that cycle.

 

[D34DP00L]

You're not retarded and not off base, good cycle layout.

I would do a small change here. Here is my take on your cycle.

250mgs sustanon/week
400mgs of deca durabolin/week
200mgs masteron enanathate/week
cardarine gw 20mgs/ED
aromasin 12.5mgs/week split into 2 doses/week

I would add HGH 3 IUs per day if you can afford it, 5 days on 2 days off.

You think the HGH would be worth it combining with everything? My cycle support would be fairly good as it’s full of vitamins and decent eating. Only thing I’m worried about is adding the HGH as I haven’t done a huge amount of research into it, but I do hear the payoffs are fantastic.

 

[D34DP00L]

I love the layout. The masteron is a great addition to that cycle.

I was heavily considering proviron, but I take enough orals atm in terms of probiotics and vitamins that I didn’t really want to add more and I know that Masteron is far better than Proviron thanks to the Forum.

 

[awm1981]

I was heavily considering proviron, but I take enough orals atm in terms of probiotics and vitamins that I didn’t really want to add more and I know that Masteron is far better than Proviron thanks to the Forum.

Its essentially oral mast and agreed id rather just run mast if you can.

On the HGH again I have run 3 ius a day for 5-6 months. It was ok I mean I doubled my IGF levels, sleep was good, I noticed some slight recovery but nothing crazy. Thats why I say check your HGH blood serum levels and IGF level. If those are on the lower end of the range then you would likely see increased benefits but if you are in the middle of the healthy range like me I personally didnt see anything crazy from it and once you start going past 3ius a day like many people do you can get carpal tunnel, bloating, etc.

Again just my opinion. MK677 is another more cost effective solution. Will help with sleep which inherently helps with recovery and is less than half the cost of HGH.

Either way though sounds like a great cycle!

 

[ballin2504]

This has been very informational. I haven’t ran hgh before either but am definitely considering it.

 

[D34DP00L]

Its essentially oral mast and agreed id rather just run mast if you can.

On the HGH again I have run 3 ius a day for 5-6 months. It was ok I mean I doubled my IGF levels, sleep was good, I noticed some slight recovery but nothing crazy. Thats why I say check your HGH blood serum levels and IGF level. If those are on the lower end of the range then you would likely see increased benefits but if you are in the middle of the healthy range like me I personally didnt see anything crazy from it and once you start going past 3ius a day like many people do you can get carpal tunnel, bloating, etc.

Again just my opinion. MK677 is another more cost effective solution. Will help with sleep which inherently helps with recovery and is less than half the cost of HGH.

Either way though sounds like a great cycle!

Thanks bud. Do you think the benefits of MK677 are worth jumping on as opposed to HGH? Just trying not to shove a whole heap of stuff through my liver hence Masteron over Proviron.

 

[awm1981]

Thanks bud. Do you think the benefits of MK677 are worth jumping on as opposed to HGH? Just trying not to shove a whole heap of stuff through my liver hence Masteron over Proviron.

So mk677 isn’t liver toxic like an oral steroid or anything like that so I’d feel comfortable taking it no issues.

Hgh is going to be more effective at raising igf and hgh blood serum levels than mk677 but from my experience 25mg mk677 a day vs 3 ius a day of genetic hgh I mean I didn’t see a crazy difference. Both helped me sleep well, got minor skin benefits, and a little on the recovery side. Whichever you choose make sure to run 6 months minimum to really start to see the benefits.

 

[D34DP00L]

So mk677 isn’t liver toxic like an oral steroid or anything like that so I’d feel comfortable taking it no issues.

Hgh is going to be more effective at raising igf and hgh blood serum levels than mk677 but from my experience 25mg mk677 a day vs 3 ius a day of genetic hgh I mean I didn’t see a crazy difference. Both helped me sleep well, got minor skin benefits, and a little on the recovery side. Whichever you choose make sure to run 6 months minimum to really start to see the benefits.

Ahh, so it’ll be a prolonged thing like my Cardarine routine. That’s fair enough. I’d much rather an oral than another pin. I didn’t know it wasn’t liver toxic, so that’s great to hear!

Much appreciating all the information guys.

 

[Tazz]

keep us posted!