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Delayed First Cycle - Gyms Open Again! :)

LifestylePerfAthlete

LifestylePerfAthlete

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Ok so I have been a frequent visitor (sometimes poster) to both the Evo and Elite Fitness forums for over 2 years under a different name. I wanted to proceed under a different name as I have now started my first cycle (professional reasons).

My stats are...

Male
39yrs old
188cm
170lbs*
Training 5+ times a week for over 11 years.

*During lockdown I decided to focus on my cardio (specifically running) and perform a summer 'cut', all natty. I am now 170lbs and around 9-10% BF, down from 182lbs back in March. The aim was to improve on my cardio and go into the upcoming cycle as lean and healthy as possible. Pre-cycle bloods confirm this.

I ordered my stash from PSL back in January with the intention of starting the cycle in March, then the lockdown hit so decided to wait. Well the gyms are reopen so it's time! My goal is a stay as lean as possible while gaining weight, if I can reach my pre-lockdown weight of 182lbs while remaining under 10% BF then I'll consider the cycle very successful, however I would also be happy with a 7-8lb gain while maintaining body fat. Would love a little boost in sex drive as well as an added extra.

Current cycle is as follows...

Week 1-12: Sustanon - 375mg per week (1.5ml)
Week 1-12: Proviron - 50mg per day
Week 1-6: Tbol - 50mg per day
Week 1-14: Aromasin - 10mg E3D (adjust accordingly)
Week 1-14: Various cycle support supplements including Tuda, Fish Oil, Milk Thistle etc.

PCT: Perfect PCT protocol (minus MK2866)

After my summer cut phase I am now slowly reintroducing calories in a reverse diet style fashion, currently at 3000cals per day, 45% carbs, 30% protein & 25% fat. I will review this on a weekly basis. I know some people aren't fans of calorie (macro) counting but when body recomposition is the goal then if you don't track what you're eating then you're throwing arrows in the dark in my opinion.

I train on average 8 times per week between cardio and weight lifting sessions with one rest day.

First shot was last week so the cycle has begun, excited for the next 12-14 weeks. :)
 
stevesmi said:
okay you keeping this as a log?
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Yeah I'll hopefully be able to update on my progress a few times per week.

Mobster said:
Hang on - 170lbs at 188cm? I'm 190cm / 6'3. EAT!!
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As I said in the original post I've just completed a cut phase (dropping 12lbs) so I'm very lean at the moment. 9-10% BF is a conservative estimate, I'm more likely close to 8-9%. I'm upping my food intake gradually over the next few weeks. I don't believe in throwing 4000+ calories down your neck everyday just to gain weight. That's just getting fat! I'll adjust my intake according to the scales and how I look. I'm not looking to gain 20lbs of fat on this cycle, slow and steady wins the race. You guys will know as well as anyone that quality weight gain is a marathon not a sprint.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Yeah I'll hopefully be able to update on my progress a few times per week.



As I said in the original post I've just completed a cut phase (dropping 12lbs) so I'm very lean at the moment. 9-10% BF is a conservative estimate, I'm more likely close to 8-9%. I'm upping my food intake gradually over the next few weeks. I don't believe in throwing 4000+ calories down your neck everyday just to gain weight. That's just getting fat! I'll adjust my intake according to the scales and how I look. I'm not looking to gain 20lbs of fat on this cycle, slow and steady wins the race. You guys will know as well as anyone that quality weight gain is a marathon not a sprint.
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I'm not suggesting 4000 calories but the original post was all about muscle lost. You'll gain that back. I don't care how lean you are. I was as lean when I was 18 and 2cm taller and I was skinny as fuck.
 
I didn't mention muscle loss in the original post, the weight I've dropped has been mostly body fat. I'm currently at 3000cals per day, which will increase weekly, in increments, to around 3,600 (depending on weekly review). So when you just say EAT but then say in the next breath you're not suggesting I eat 4000cals per day then I don't really understand what you're trying to say as I've clearly stated my food intake is/will increase. Everyone has different goals, not everyone who cycles wants to be "big and strong as fuck" while getting fat. I'm a vain bastard, it's about aesthetics for me.

Really enjoying the Evo Hardcore podcasts btw.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
I didn't mention muscle loss in the original post, the weight I've dropped has been mostly body fat. I'm currently at 3000cals per day, which will increase weekly, in increments, to around 3,600 (depending on weekly review). So when you just say EAT but then say in the next breath you're not suggesting I eat 4000cals per day then I don't really understand what you're trying to say as I've clearly stated my food intake is/will increase. Everyone has different goals, not everyone who cycles wants to be "big and strong as fuck" while getting fat. I'm a vain bastard, it's about aesthetics for me.

Really enjoying the Evo Hardcore podcasts btw.
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Thanks.

So NEITHER of us are talking about 4k cals. Ok.

You went from a not really that fat 180 or so to a lean 170. Either or... both allow for a bit of muscle and the topic title refers to a delayed cycle after the (or once they) gyms reopen.

So you did well on just a diet before a cycle and I suspect you'll do just as well adding a few more pounds of muscle once you hit the gym = delay the cycle a little bit longer. In other words, as per one of my previous posts, muscle memory will add muscle quick and ergo adding steroids now is, IMO, a mistake and that you can delay it. You can be as 'aesthetic' as fuck with 5-10lb regain and more aesthetic as fuck with another 5lb lean cycle gain (putting you at about a lean 180-185lbs). I'd per to see your height etc at around a lean and small waisted 20lbs
 
Mobster said:
Thanks.

So NEITHER of us are talking about 4k cals. Ok.

You went from a not really that fat 180 or so to a lean 170. Either or... both allow for a bit of muscle and the topic title refers to a delayed cycle after the (or once they) gyms reopen.

So you did well on just a diet before a cycle and I suspect you'll do just as well adding a few more pounds of muscle once you hit the gym = delay the cycle a little bit longer. In other words, as per one of my previous posts, muscle memory will add muscle quick and ergo adding steroids now is, IMO, a mistake and that you can delay it. You can be as 'aesthetic' as fuck with 5-10lb regain and more aesthetic as fuck with another 5lb lean cycle gain (putting you at about a lean 180-185lbs). I'd per to see your height etc at around a lean and small waisted 20lbs
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Ok, I get your logic here and it’s sound, however I’m planning on going on holiday at the end of October (COVID restrictions allowing) so I’ve planned the cycle 12 weeks out from that.

Second pin today, everything running smooth at this point. Nothing really to report yet apart from a slight increase in vascularity. Hoping to see some nice strength increases this week as the Tbol kicks in.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Ok, I get your logic here and it’s sound, however I’m planning on going on holiday at the end of October (COVID restrictions allowing) so I’ve planned the cycle 12 weeks out from that.

Second pin today, everything running smooth at this point. Nothing really to report yet apart from a slight increase in vascularity. Hoping to see some nice strength increases this week as the Tbol kicks in.
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Or you can wait to cycle til after the holiday.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
And wait another year before I can spend a week without my top on. [emoji23] Nah.

On a serious note, I’m 39yrs old, feel like I’ve waited long enough at this point.
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LOL. There was me thinking it was only young American dudes who fretted about beach bods. Blame covid etc for the delay
 
Cycle week 3
375mg Sustanon per week
50mg Tbol per day
50mg Proviron per day
10mg Aromasin E3D

Ok so I pinned my 3rd shot on Saturday, a lot less PIP this time which was nice. Not that it was unbearable before, just uncomfortable for a day or two. Starting to feel stronger in the gym but nothing drastic as yet. My weight has increased quite considerably, around 8lbs in two weeks. I put this down to water retention from the increased carb intake. I consumed a lot more carbs last week than my body is use to. I'd expect to lose most of the water by the end of this week through bringing my carbs back to a moderate level.

I also plan on increasing the Aromasin dose to every other day rather than every third day, I won't know for sure until mid-cycle bloods but I feel that my oestrogen may be a little higher than I'd like it.
 
Cycle Week 4

Sustanon - 375mg per week
Tbol - 50mg per day
Proviron - 50mg per day
Aromasin - 10mg EOD

Start of week 4 on cycle. Upped my Aromasin dosage this week but won’t know effects for sure until bloods which I plan on doing next week. Strength has definitely gone up in the gym, the weights are increasing with every workout. Also slight increase in sex drive.

I’ve dropped 2lbs this week due to lowering my carbs back down to normal levels. This makes a 6lb increase since the beginning of the cycle, obviously still a bit of water weight but I look learner than last week. Calories will increase this week.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Cycle Week 4

Sustanon - 375mg per week
Tbol - 50mg per day
Proviron - 50mg per day
Aromasin - 10mg EOD

Start of week 4 on cycle. Upped my Aromasin dosage this week but won’t know effects for sure until bloods which I plan on doing next week. Strength has definitely gone up in the gym, the weights are increasing with every workout. Also slight increase in sex drive.

I’ve dropped 2lbs this week due to lowering my carbs back down to normal levels. This makes a 6lb increase since the beginning of the cycle, obviously still a bit of water weight but I look learner than last week. Calories will increase this week.
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bro good udpate...keep this updated for us...2lbs is a good drop if you get a carb cycle going
 
Ok so I’m nearly 4 weeks completed on the current cycle. I’m starting to feel quite irritable, not really the “amazing” feeling I was expecting from the increased levels of test. I’ve read how people feel great on their first cycle and it’s the type of feeling you only get during your first run. Not feeling it at all right now. Hoping it’s still to come. Not sure if it’s oestrogen related, maybe I need to up my AI dose to everyday? I’ve also had slightly itchy pecs, not so much nipples but all over my chest really. The sort of feeling you get when you shave and the stubble starts growing back. Would also explain the water weight. Getting bloods next week. Any thoughts?
 
5th pin this morning. Smoothest one yet, didn’t feel a thing and zero pip. I was pretty nervous about the whole injecting process pre-cycle but using the correct procedures it’s a breeze.

I’ve decided to up my AI dose to 20mg every three days split into two 10mg doses. Bloods are due on Tuesday. I bought myself a dara scale this week and while I know they’re not the most accurate it has me carrying more water than usual. Rest day today so dialled the carbs back.
 
Going into week 6 of my current cycle. Bloods were taken last Thursday so should have the results tomorrow. Really interested to see my levels, especially my E2. I've been feeling a lot better this week, not so agitated as I had been. Sex drive is also up. Weight gain (water) has slowed down and I'm currently gaining about 2lbs a week while on (approx) maintenance calories. My appetite has definitely increased on cycle and I'm looking at added more calories per day for the final week of the Tbol. I'm guessing some of this is still water which I'll look to strip off towards the end of the cycle, but I'm still looking/feeling pretty lean. Strength continues to improve in the gym and I'm added weight to each exercise every session.

On a side note, getting the final injection out of the test vial is a nightmare! Feel like you're leaving at least 1/2mil in the vial. Any tips?
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Going into week 6 of my current cycle. Bloods were taken last Thursday so should have the results tomorrow. Really interested to see my levels, especially my E2. I've been feeling a lot better this week, not so agitated as I had been. Sex drive is also up. Weight gain (water) has slowed down and I'm currently gaining about 2lbs a week while on (approx) maintenance calories. My appetite has definitely increased on cycle and I'm looking at added more calories per day for the final week of the Tbol. I'm guessing some of this is still water which I'll look to strip off towards the end of the cycle, but I'm still looking/feeling pretty lean. Strength continues to improve in the gym and I'm added weight to each exercise every session.

On a side note, getting the final injection out of the test vial is a nightmare! Feel like you're leaving at least 1/2mil in the vial. Any tips?
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Practice lol
 
Ok so my mid-cycle blood results are in... I'll post my pre-cycle numbers first as a reference, I don't know how to paste the actual reports in here so I'll just post the values (ranges).

Pre-cycle
TEST = 317 (249 - 836)
FREE TEST = 5.4 (5.8 - 17.9)
E2 (pmol/L) = 59.2 (41 - 159)
SHBG = 1150 (528 - 1560)

Mid-cycle
TEST = 3461 (249 - 836)
FREE TEST = 129.5 (5.8 - 17.9)
E2 (pmol/L) = 112 (41 - 159)
SHBG = 291 (528 - 1560)


As you can see my test levels are over 10 x my base levels so PSL Sustanon is good to go! I'm also happy with my E2 levels, although elevated they're still in range so 20mg Aromasin every 3 days seems to be enough for me. Proviron doing it's thing as well with my SHBG level coming right down. Any thoughts then feel free to comment.

Into the last week of the Tbol now, I've upped the dose for the final two weeks from 50mg per day to 80mg per day. Feel like this is a much better sweet spot and am getting the full benefits at this higher dose. Pumps are better and I'm feeling it more through the increased strength benefits.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Ok so my mid-cycle blood results are in... I'll post my pre-cycle numbers first as a reference, I don't know how to paste the actual reports in here so I'll just post the values (ranges).

Pre-cycle
TEST = 317 (249 - 836)
FREE TEST = 5.4 (5.8 - 17.9)
E2 (pmol/L) = 59.2 (41 - 159)
SHBG = 1150 (528 - 1560)

Mid-cycle
TEST = 3461 (249 - 836)
FREE TEST = 129.5 (5.8 - 17.9)
E2 (pmol/L) = 112 (41 - 159)
SHBG = 291 (528 - 1560)


As you can see my test levels are over 10 x my base levels so PSL Sustanon is good to go! I'm also happy with my E2 levels, although elevated they're still in range so 20mg Aromasin every 3 days seems to be enough for me. Proviron doing it's thing as well with my SHBG level coming right down. Any thoughts then feel free to comment.

Into the last week of the Tbol now, I've upped the dose for the final two weeks from 50mg per day to 80mg per day. Feel like this is a much better sweet spot and am getting the full benefits at this higher dose. Pumps are better and I'm feeling it more through the increased strength benefits.
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Are you running Euro Pharm Tbol? If so how can you be sure it’s real? The reason I ask is because I got some from PSL - 50 10mg. Bag I got had over 100 pills and there were two different sized pills-looked identical but one is twice as thick as others. No color codes or anything to distinguish one EP pill from another. Emailed psl and they requested pictures- sent pictures- haven’t heard shit. WTF? Then Vision has the nerve to tell people not to put up “signal fires”? on one of the psl hype threads whatever the fuck that means. How about doing what you say and maybe you won’t have problems with “signal fires”. Anyways, glad things are working out with your cycle. Maybe I’ll get an answer some day from PSL.......
 
Redawg said:
Are you running Euro Pharm Tbol? If so how can you be sure it’s real? The reason I ask is because I got some from PSL - 50 10mg. Bag I got had over 100 pills and there were two different sized pills-looked identical but one is twice as thick as others. No color codes or anything to distinguish one EP pill from another. Emailed psl and they requested pictures- sent pictures- haven’t heard shit. WTF? Then Vision has the nerve to tell people not to put up “signal fires”? on one of the psl hype threads whatever the fuck that means. How about doing what you say and maybe you won’t have problems with “signal fires”. Anyways, glad things are working out with your cycle. Maybe I’ll get an answer some day from PSL.......
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Yes it was Euro Pharmacy Tbol. Without actually having the Tbol tested obviously I don’t know for sure that it’s real but all the pills were the same size (I think) and they definitely seemed like they did their job. Great vascularity and increased strength in the gym, especially when I bumped the dose to 80mgs.

I can’t speak for your experiences with PSL but all my dealings with them have been top notch up to this point.

As for my cycle, the test is now in full swing, it was definitely a slow burn waiting for the sustanon to hit peak levels but overall feeling is now very good. Increasing strength on my lifts with every workout.
 
Redawg said:
Are you running Euro Pharm Tbol? If so how can you be sure it’s real? The reason I ask is because I got some from PSL - 50 10mg. Bag I got had over 100 pills and there were two different sized pills-looked identical but one is twice as thick as others. No color codes or anything to distinguish one EP pill from another. Emailed psl and they requested pictures- sent pictures- haven’t heard shit. WTF? Then Vision has the nerve to tell people not to put up “signal fires”? on one of the psl hype threads whatever the fuck that means. How about doing what you say and maybe you won’t have problems with “signal fires”. Anyways, glad things are working out with your cycle. Maybe I’ll get an answer some day from PSL.......
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Did I tell you no signal fires, or are you just throwing this out there just to do so, because if so, it's irrelevant to your question and unnecessary with injecting that remark here. Do you understand what the term and reference signal fires refers to? Its members creating multiple topics in multiple areas, even hijacking other peoples threads creating confusions, its requesting a display of respect for the community for everyone alike to be a team player and it's actually very normal for even mods to make the same request openly to members to refrain from creating unnecessary traffic. It's perfectly normal and not out of the ordinary to kindly ask people to limit this type of interaction. Far as tablets, EP does have a few different sizes depending on what compounding facility is used. Color codes will be returning once again, for some regions.

My nerve to make a kind request to limit signal fires directed to members that create multiple posts (3-4 and even 5 posts) regarding the same question. This measure is so we can centrally focus on one topic/question with addressing the members concerns by avoiding the potential of them possibly overlooking it elsewhere, while it's being answered in an other area. This is rather common in retail, it's a measure to better assure accuracy. This is known as forward thinking, having the ability to predict and recognize a potential issue with-in communications that help reduce any misunderstandings. Per my signature " Get in touch with PSL NOW..ONLY HERE - THIS IS WHERE WE ARE - CLICK RIGHT HERE!!!! "

If you take notice here in the pic below tabs are white, this is the same for many products. They are either shipped in blisters from EU locations per request or loose, however they are purchased and dispenses loose in most instances for safer shipping procedures.
Depending on the region there is still some color code tabs available remaining in stock, most have been phased out with newer batches.
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LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Yes it was Euro Pharmacy Tbol. Without actually having the Tbol tested obviously I don’t know for sure that it’s real but all the pills were the same size (I think) and they definitely seemed like they did their job. Great vascularity and increased strength in the gym, especially when I bumped the dose to 80mgs.

I can’t speak for your experiences with PSL but all my dealings with them have been top notch up to this point.

As for my cycle, the test is now in full swing, it was definitely a slow burn waiting for the sustanon to hit peak levels but overall feeling is now very good. Increasing strength on my lifts with every workout.
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Thanks for the reply bro. You’re right we really don’t know. Be nice if they would answer my emails, guess I’ll never know. I’ve only had this one experience with PSL, guess I stumped them with my simple question....
 
No stress pal, now back to the nature at hand...

Weight as of Saturday was 184.7lbs. About 14lbs up from the start of the cycle. Noticeable difference in the mirror while managing to still stay lean(ish). My appetite has increased while on cycle and feel like I’m getting a lot more out of the calories that I’m eating.
 
Into week 8 of the cycle. Feeling good about life and the daily routine, however I do feel like I get agitated more frequently over small things. Being stuck behind a bad driver or the dog being a pain in the arse etc. Nothing major but I’m noticing a difference.

Weight is still creeping up nicely, weighing 186.1lbs and still relatively lean. Strength continues to increase in the gym although not as quickly as with the Tbol, but that’s expected. Appetite is high so getting in plenty of clean carbs and protein, hitting around 3,200cals per day at the moment. I’ve got some PSL Winstrol in the mail arriving today so plan to incorporate 30mgs per day for the final three weeks of the cycle with a view to leaning out as much as possible and keep those strength gains coming.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Sorry guys, I feel off the log updates but I’ll be posting an update and cycle summary in the next day or so. I’m currently 1 week post PCT.
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Cool bloods would be cool too after a bit
 
Ok so like I said I'm now nearly 2 weeks post PCT...

Overall the cycle was a success. My weight to now a consistent 189lbs which is a 19lbs increase from the start of the cycle (170lbs). If you go back and read the original post you'll see I went into the cycle pretty lean after doing a 'lockdown' cut before starting. Towards the end of the cycle, around week 11 I weighed 198lbs but I felt quite puffy and felt that I was holding a lot of water. The Winny that I incorporated into the final 4 weeks of the cycle at 30mgs per day didn't have the desired effect and was pointless looking back.

Again, if you read the thread then you'll know I went on holiday straight after my last shot. Stupidly I went a little food/drink crazy the first few days and paid a heavy price! I ballooned to over 200lbs and my ankles swelled up big time. My own fault and a mistake I won't be making again. I've since leaned out again and now sit at a comfortable 189lbs, which I'm happy with going forward.

As for PCT, I ran the perfect PCT protocol (minus the Sarms), included N2Generate and I felt great the whole 6 weeks. If anything I felt better than when I was on cycle! I was anxious that I would feel like shit throughout PCT as so many people seem to say they feel horrible but I felt really good. Shout out to Ricky Rock for sorting me out with the N2Generate, it is a must for me now during PCT for sure! I also added Maca Root and Ashwagandha supplements as well. I'll be getting post cycle bloods done at the end of January to check how my recovery has gone and if I'm ready to start planning my next cycle. I'll be sure to post the blood results on here when I get them.

As for my next cycle I'm looking at Test P, NPP and Anadrol with the goal of getting to a stable 200lbs. Thoughts welcome...

OH YEAH... also whilst on holiday I got my wife pregnant! My mid-cycle bloods showed minimal LH and FSH levels so the week before we went I did 3 x 500iu shots of HCG, guess it worked. Haha.
 
Great feedback on the Perfect PCT man. I often find the same......you actually feel better on it that on the end of your cycle. At the end of the cycle the body can start to feel toxic and when you run a proper PCT it can actually be refreshing.
 
So I had my post cycle (recovery) bloods drawn today. Little later than normal (COVID) but hoping it gave me a little extra time to bounce back to normal. I’ll post results here early next week.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
So I had my post cycle (recovery) bloods drawn today. Little later than normal (COVID) but hoping it gave me a little extra time to bounce back to normal. I’ll post results here early next week.
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We are waiting on the results.
 
Okay, so my post cycle blood work results are back...

Total Test - 343 (249-836)
Free - 6.26 (5.7-17.85)

FSH - 2.8 (1.27-19.26)
LH - 2.4 (1.24-8.62)

E2 - 49 (36-147)


I’ve recovered back within range of my baseline pre-cycle totals, so my body has sufficiently bounced back. I’ve always been on the low end of normal so happy with these results.

I’m around 182lbs at the moment so up from my starting weight (pre-cycle) of 169lbs. I’ll maintain this weight until the start of my next cycle in 4 weeks time. Looking at another lean bulk.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Okay, so my post cycle blood work results are back...

Total Test - 343 (249-836)
Free - 6.26 (5.7-17.85)

FSH - 2.8 (1.27-19.26)
LH - 2.4 (1.24-8.62)

E2 - 49 (36-147)


I’ve recovered back within range of my baseline pre-cycle totals, so my body has sufficiently bounced back. I’ve always been on the low end of normal so happy with these results.

I’m around 182lbs at the moment so up from my starting weight (pre-cycle) of 169lbs. I’ll maintain this weight until the start of my next cycle in 4 weeks time. Looking at another lean bulk.
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it is what it is. if those are your baseline then you got it
 
That's not bad at all, total test is good estrogen is goo, LH and FSH is a bit low. To bump up the lh/fsh add some ostazol preworkout 3-4 caps you'll see a pumps boost and test boost. It will stimulate your LH/fsh you'll see.
 
LifestylePerfAthlete said:
Okay, so my post cycle blood work results are back...

Total Test - 343 (249-836)
Free - 6.26 (5.7-17.85)

FSH - 2.8 (1.27-19.26)
LH - 2.4 (1.24-8.62)

E2 - 49 (36-147)


I’ve recovered back within range of my baseline pre-cycle totals, so my body has sufficiently bounced back. I’ve always been on the low end of normal so happy with these results.

I’m around 182lbs at the moment so up from my starting weight (pre-cycle) of 169lbs. I’ll maintain this weight until the start of my next cycle in 4 weeks time. Looking at another lean bulk.
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This looks, all things considered, good. Outstanding would have been above your own baseline
 
I’m back to baseline so that’s all I can ask for. So really happy.

No amount of Osterzol or N2Generate is going to get me above my natural baseline. They’re a good addition to restore levels but they don’t boost testosterone past what your body will produce naturally.
 
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