Did bodybuilders of the 60's,70, & 80's follow PCT?

[Flanex]

I've been following the sport since the early 80's & I don't remember them talking about it or even reading anything about it back then.Did they just pump themselves full of juice then stop with no PCT?What kind of PCT drugs did they have back then?Has the sport come a long way in the way of PCT,since then?

.....just curious

Thanks in advance

 

[delhibelly]

I'm pretty sure they were on juice. Arnold has indirectly hinted about this in the movie Pumping Iron.

As far as pct is concerned, it probably was there too as without it it would be very difficult to increase gains or reach the pinnacle of one's physique.

As far as today is concerned, we surely have added on more knowledge as compared with yesterday's. From just restarting ones testosterone, we now know that more hormones are affected in a cycle. The evo pct article will shed light on this issue.


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[Flanex]

I'm pretty sure they were on juice. Arnold has indirectly hinted about this in the movie Pumping Iron.

As far as pct is concerned, it probably was there too as without it it would be very difficult to increase gains or reach the pinnacle of one's physique.

As far as today is concerned, we surely have added on more knowledge as compared with yesterday's. From just restarting ones testosterone, we now know that more hormones are affected in a cycle. The evo pct article will shed light on this issue.


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I must have seen this movie a dozen times & never noticed that.

 

[jp4355]

I've been following the sport since the early 80's & I don't remember them talking about it or even reading anything about it back then.Did they just pump themselves full of juice then stop with no PCT?What kind of PCT drugs did they have back then?Has the sport come a long way in the way of PCT,since then?

.....just curious

Thanks in advance

There was No Such Thing as PCT until the Mid to Late 80's.
The Premise started to get Popular among some BBer's in 1982.
But didn't gain total acceptance until a few years later.

I know this for a Fact, cause my 1st Cycle was in 1978.
It was Test Cyp/Proviron.......................................... JP
P.S.
Most Guys did Test/Deca/Dbol in some sort of Combo.
We used Proviron to control Estrogen.
There were No AI's again until the 80's.

 

[Flanex]

There was No Such Thing as PCT until the Mid to Late 80's.
The Premise started to get Popular among some BBer's in 1982.
But didn't gain total acceptance until a few years later.

I know this for a Fact, cause my 1st Cycle was in 1978.
It was Test Cyp/Proviron.......................................... JP
P.S.
Most Guys did Test/Deca/Dbol in some sort of Combo.
We used Proviron to control Estrogen.
There were No AI's again until the 80's.

Thanks so much JP.I figured as much.There must have been some really bad "accidents" because of it.

Also found something on Arnold as previously mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHu6Y6UOdI

 

[delhibelly]

There was No Such Thing as PCT until the Mid to Late 80's.
The Premise started to get Popular among some BBer's in 1982.
But didn't gain total acceptance until a few years later.

I know this for a Fact, cause my 1st Cycle was in 1978.
It was Test Cyp/Proviron.......................................... JP
P.S.
Most Guys did Test/Deca/Dbol in some sort of Combo.
We used Proviron to control Estrogen.
There were No AI's again until the 80's.

Hey! Thanks for the input. If you could share more about bodybuilding from the golden dats, it would be great!


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[jp4355]

Thanks so much JP.I figured as much.There must have been some really bad "accidents" because of it.

Also found something on Arnold as previously mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHu6Y6UOdI

2 things to remember about the early days.
1st ~ we didn't do the Outrageous amounts of AAS that Guys do today.
2nd ~ there were No UGL's ~ everything was Pharmaceutical Grade.

It was Legal with a Prescription and it was easy to get a Good Doctor to prescribe.
I had a Doctor doing all the necessary Lab Work to make sure I was staying healthy also...................................... JP

 

[Flanex]

Hey! Thanks for the input. If you could share more about bodybuilding from the golden dats, it would be great!


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Seconded!I'm fascinated by that era.

 

[delhibelly]

Thanks so much JP.I figured as much.There must have been some really bad "accidents" because of it.

Also found something on Arnold as previously mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiHu6Y6UOdI

Great video bro! I work out at golds and there's this huge poster of Arnold right infront of me motivating me everyday. The guys a legend!


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[Flanex]

Great video bro! I work out at golds and there's this huge poster of Arnold right infront of me motivating me everyday. The guys a legend!


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Yeah he's my favorite BB of all time.Him & Larry Scott.

 

[jp4355]

Seconded!I'm fascinated by that era.

Ask me a question, as I could go On and On about the early days.
I touched on it a little when Muskate did an Interview with me for Evo...................................... JP
P.S.
I actually started training at the age of 14 cause I ran Track and played Football.
By 17 I was an AAU Powerlifter in the 198 Lb Class, that was 1970.

 

[Flanex]

Ask me a question, as I could go On and On about the early days.
I touched on it a little when Muskate did an Interview with me for Evo...................................... JP
P.S.
I actually started training at the age of 14 cause I ran Track and played Football.
By 17 I was an AAU Powerlifter in the 198 Lb Class, that was 1970.

What kinds of injectables & orals were available back then?Did you often hear about your bro's having liver & other organ failures,because of the non-PCT protocols & during?

 

[stevesmi]

JP brings up some good information

I will add do not be fooled by what you see in videos. remember you are seeing the best of the best in-season. the guys who did not get bitch tits were lucky. proviron being used to help with estrogen only helps so much, if you were gyno prone in those days you were fucked.

and this is not what a lot of guys want to hear but back in those days the guys were inferior physically then the beasts we have today. there is a reason we constantly see records being broken in sports. guys today keep getting faster, stronger, etc etc. we have advanced in nutrition, training, and of course our drug use. same goes with bodybuilding. remember Samir Bannout won the Mr Olympia in the early 80's weighing 195 pounds.. today the guys in the top 10 are all easily over 250-260+. Arnold weighed in at 235 max competition weight and he was the best of his era

 

[Flanex]

JP brings up some good information

I will add do not be fooled by what you see in videos. remember you are seeing the best of the best in-season. the guys who did not get bitch tits were lucky. proviron being used to help with estrogen only helps so much, if you were gyno prone in those days you were fucked.

and this is not what a lot of guys want to hear but back in those days the guys were inferior physically then the beasts we have today. there is a reason we constantly see records being broken in sports. guys today keep getting faster, stronger, etc etc. we have advanced in nutrition, training, and of course our drug use.

I don't know Steve.I don't see anyone with a better physique than Arnold,even to this day.

 

[stevesmi]

I don't know Steve.I don't see anyone with a better physique than Arnold,even to this day.

you re-inforce my point. people think everyone back then looked like Arnold. Arnold was a major outlier. compare the #10 guy at Mr. Olympia in 1975 to #10 today and tell me who has the superior size.

it is a fact that 95% of people will argue with me on. the bottom line is you can walk into any meathead gym today and find 5 ridiculous dudes today who back then would of been considered beasts. we have come a long way in fitness and sports since then. of course like I said in my previous post we have access to way better everything today.

having said that Arnold was special. if he was in his prime today with access to everything available today he would be right up there with Phil heath and the guys at mr. O. you really cannot compare Arnold to the average person of the 70's that attended a gym, however because of movies and videos people actually think that is what everyone looked like back then.. that is the beauty of arnolds legacy, that everyone wanted to be him.

 

[muskate]

There was No Such Thing as PCT until the Mid to Late 80's.
The Premise started to get Popular among some BBer's in 1982.
But didn't gain total acceptance until a few years later.

I know this for a Fact, cause my 1st Cycle was in 1978.
It was Test Cyp/Proviron.......................................... JP
P.S.
Most Guys did Test/Deca/Dbol in some sort of Combo.
We used Proviron to control Estrogen.
There were No AI's again until the 80's.

This is exactly right. I highly recommend you listen to podcast #7 of Evolutionary.org radio podcast.
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/evolutionary-radio/id1071339501?mt=2

We had JP4355 on as a guest and he talks in depth about training, diet and PED usage in the 70's and 80's.

 

[Flanex]

you re-inforce my point. people think everyone back then looked like Arnold. Arnold was a major outlier. compare the #10 guy at Mr. Olympia in 1975 to #10 today and tell me who has the superior size.

it is a fact that 95% of people will argue with me on. the bottom line is you can walk into any meathead gym today and find 5 ridiculous dudes today who back then would of been considered beasts. we have come a long way in fitness and sports since then. of course like I said in my previous post we have access to way better everything today.

having said that Arnold was special. if he was in his prime today with access to everything available today he would be right up there with Phil heath and the guys at mr. O. you really cannot compare Arnold to the average person of the 70's that attended a gym, however because of movies and videos people actually think that is what everyone looked like back then.. that is the beauty of arnolds legacy, that everyone wanted to be him.

I don't think everyone looked like that back then.That's what made him unique.I get what you're saying though.Franco Columbo his training partner back then was above & beyond for his size also.

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Big Lou biting the hand that fed him IMHO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05jEYwmq8E

 

[jp4355]

What kinds of injectables & orals were available back then?Did you often hear about your bro's having liver & other organ failures,because of the non-PCT protocols & during?

The popular Orals, at least with my Crowd was Dbol/Anavar/Winstrol/Proviron.
For Injectables in was Test Cypionate/Deca/Primobolan and then things started to change by the 80's.
This is when variations on a theme started with all the different Esters becoming more Common.
By the late 80's is when the Veterinarian Steroids started being used like Trenbolone and Equipoise (EQ).

As for Liver or Organ Failure.
Most Guys I knew were also doing Injectable Vitamin B-12 with Liver and Iron ~ again right from the Doctor.
I use to go and get a Big 30 Ml Vial of B-12, as my Doctor also supplied me with that.

So No, I never met anyone who had Issues of Organ or Liver Failure caused by any AAS use........................ JP

 

[Flanex]

The popular Orals, at least with my Crowd was Dbol/Anavar/Winstrol/Proviron.
For Injectables in was Test Cypionate/Deca/Primobolan and then things started to change by the 80's.
This is when variations on a theme started with all the different Esters becoming more Common.
By the late 80's is when the Veterinarian Steroids started being used like Trenbolone and Equipoise (EQ).

As for Liver or Organ Failure.
Most Guys I knew were also doing Injectable Vitamin B-12 with Liver and Iron ~ again right from the Doctor.
I use to go and get a Big 30 Ml Vial of B-12, as my Doctor also supplied me with that.

So No, I never met anyone who had Issues of Organ or Liver Failure caused by any AAS use........................ JP

That's awesome.Thanks so much for providing your experience.

 

[delhibelly]

The popular Orals, at least with my Crowd was Dbol/Anavar/Winstrol/Proviron.
For Injectables in was Test Cypionate/Deca/Primobolan and then things started to change by the 80's.
This is when variations on a theme started with all the different Esters becoming more Common.
By the late 80's is when the Veterinarian Steroids started being used like Trenbolone and Equipoise (EQ).

As for Liver or Organ Failure.
Most Guys I knew were also doing Injectable Vitamin B-12 with Liver and Iron ~ again right from the Doctor.
I use to go and get a Big 30 Ml Vial of B-12, as my Doctor also supplied me with that.

So No, I never met anyone who had Issues of Organ or Liver Failure caused by any AAS use........................ JP

Thanks for sharing your experience! Are you still working out? Do you have any nasty sides from your past anabolic usage?


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